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    And there is one more view, that the sons of God were the ancient men with power who had so huge life-spans that they looked like they are not getting old, their grand grand children was already old and dying but they looked still the same.

    So people begun to think they are special or gods and called them "the sons of God".
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    And is there any connection with Goliath? Where did Goliath come from?
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    One just has to use their common sense and deductive reasoning to see that the two lines are Cain and Seth. If one simply acknowledges the chapters that come before 6 itI is not hard to see that two distinct lines are put in our view. Gen 4:16-24 tells us of the line of Cain after he left from the Lord.

    Then we are shown Seth is born to Adam after that in verses 25 and 26. Then in chapter 5 we see the line of Adam through Seth and down to the time of Noah.

    Thus to the observant mind it is most clear that Genesis has set us up with two distinct lines. Cain who did not follow or remain with God and the Line of Adam continued through Seth of those who followed God.

    Thus we have chapter 6:

    Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    We note that there is no change in subject but rather that "men" began to multiply and have daughters. and the Sons of God/those of the line of Seth who followed God began to take wives from the women of the line of Cain. Notice they took wives eg they married. Note the story never once gives any hint that there are supernatural beings in view here. It is simply people using Gnostic false writings and reading into the story something that is not there.

    It is very clear if one takes the whole story into account that the issue was being yoked with unbelievers causing the perversion of the followers of God.
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    ps Son of God is a term also used for the true line of Adam:

    Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy-follower View Post
    And is there any connection with Goliath? Where did Goliath come from?
    Possibly. If it got into our DNA, it was surely possible to produce some kind of a giant tribe, later.

    We do not know the DNA profiles of Noah, his sons and their wives

    If, on the other hand, we hold the view that it was just mixing of godly line with the ungodly line, no answers for what was happening with human bodies are given, then.
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    Jude 6-7 (KJV)

    "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

    It appears these are the angels of Genesis 6.

    ***********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Here he is comparing the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha being wraped around them and they acting like those there.

    **********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    He is telling us here the Angels committed fornication of going after strange flesh which were the daughter's of men.

    NOW the way this is written, it could be worse and allude to homosexuality?


    *********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    All three, the angels in Hades, the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrha who are dead; are awaiting final judgement of Eternal Fire.


    The main question is can the Angels have sexual intercourse and with Human women? Nothing is said except there is no need for marriage with our new heavenly bodies. keep in mind, that there are several occasions in the Bible Angels appeared as MEN.
    (Genesis 18:1-19)..also the two witnesses (rev 11) and several others.

    If they can do this, can they not have all the parts that work? They are touchable (or not spirit pictured as human--Hologram)

    What do you think 'oldhermit'. The Sethite view of Genesis 6 has been debunked for some time now. Yet, there are a lot of churches that cling to it. Mainly because of what we are arguing about. The ability of the Angels to Have intercourse.


    he omitted a key part of the Mt 22 30 passage "In heaven"

    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

    IMO Gen 6 is pretty clear that all this took place in this world and not the heavens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother5 View Post
    Who are the sons of God described in Genesis 6:1-8?
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    ...I am rather reclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotime View Post
    It is very clear if one takes the whole story into account that the issue was being yoked with unbelievers causing the perversion of the followers of God.
    And yet in all the time since, we have never had a race of giants emerge from believers and unbelievers marrying. I don't think human deductive reasoning is enough here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother5 View Post
    Who are the sons of God described in Genesis 6:1-8?
    Sons of the first creation. Note that when Genesis describes the creation of mankind, it has two different stories.

    In the first one, they are 'male and female'... there is no story about how first it was male, and then a female was taken out of it.

    In the first one they are given dominion over the whole earth and given all the plants to eat. There is no passage about being put in Eden specifically and then God letting them eat from all kinds of trees except one. That is only in the second story.

    Again, in the first one there is a chronology about how everything is formed, from the plants, to the birds and sea creatures, to the land animals, and then to man. But in the second one, Man is first, then he is placed in the garden where God causes plants spring up, and -then- God forms animals and brings them to be named.

    So it would seem these are two separate stories about separate kinds of beings. The first kind is made in God's image and not put in a garden with any restrictions; the second is made from the dust of the earth, God's breath of life is breathed in, and a very detailed story is given.

    And there you have an answer for the sons of God -- they're from the first creation in Genesis 1. They are not angels, but they clearly aren't quite like humans, if they can conceive giants with humans.

    I don't know if this is completely true, but it works better than just saying they were angels (are angels sons or servants? are angels in the image of God?), and also better than saying giants are a result of human interracial marriage. There's strange creatures in Revelations, so it is not as if angels and man are the only spiritual beings God created.

    You don't have to take my word for it. Some things we only know when God wants us to.
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    This is not talking about Genesis 6, the Lord did not say "restore the earth" He said he was going to destroy the men of the earth, not because of the children of the sons of God and the daughters of men. He was going to destroy men because they were evil in thoughts in their heart continually and He judged man, not azazyel. The children from the union again were not of fornication, because the sons of God and the daughters of men were married, so no fornication there or children go fornication.


    This is exactly what Enoch is talking about. The mention of "restoring the earth" was in reference to the flood. So yes, I will bring up Enoch, because it is a detailed account of exactly happened and why the earth was corrupted. Not only did the angels defile themselves with women, but they taught mankind sorcery, divination, astrology, the movement of the sun, moon and stars. They taught them to make weapons of war, the beautifying of the eyebrows (make up) and many other things did the angels teach them and the world became altered.

    In addition to this, the offspring of the watchers were out of scale to mankind and they couldn't produce enough food to satisfy them. It figures that you would say to "not mention Enoch" when it is definite proof of what Genesis only touches on.

    The son's of God mentioned in Job 1:6 and 2:1 are in reference to holy angels, with Satan appearing with them before the Lord. And that scripture regarding the resurrected becoming like the angels of heaven, does not discount that fact that those angels had relations with women.

    Nothing that you have said above disproves anything.
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ...

    I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit ...

    This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkwhales View Post
    And yet in all the time since, we have never had a race of giants emerge from believers and unbelievers marrying. I don't think human deductive reasoning is enough here.
    That's because the offspring of the watchers were all destroyed in the flood, which was one of its purposes.
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ...

    I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit ...

    This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit ....

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    samuel23
    You are correct in your reply.

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    I'm just wondering why you retired. It's always been my belief that if God call's you to the pulpit you stay until your days are up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkwhales View Post
    Sons of the first creation. Note that when Genesis describes the creation of mankind, it has two different stories.

    In the first one, they are 'male and female'... there is no story about how first it was male, and then a female was taken out of it.

    In the first one they are given dominion over the whole earth and given all the plants to eat. There is no passage about being put in Eden specifically and then God letting them eat from all kinds of trees except one. That is only in the second story.

    Again, in the first one there is a chronology about how everything is formed, from the plants, to the birds and sea creatures, to the land animals, and then to man. But in the second one, Man is first, then he is placed in the garden where God causes plants spring up, and -then- God forms animals and brings them to be named.

    So it would seem these are two separate stories about separate kinds of beings. The first kind is made in God's image and not put in a garden with any restrictions; the second is made from the dust of the earth, God's breath of life is breathed in, and a very detailed story is given.

    And there you have an answer for the sons of God -- they're from the first creation in Genesis 1. They are not angels, but they clearly aren't quite like humans, if they can conceive giants with humans.

    I don't know if this is completely true, but it works better than just saying they were angels (are angels sons or servants? are angels in the image of God?), and also better than saying giants are a result of human interracial marriage. There's strange creatures in Revelations, so it is not as if angels and man are the only spiritual beings God created.

    You don't have to take my word for it. Some things we only know when God wants us to.

    So the humans that were created first, that weren't in the Garden of Eden, shouted for joy at themselves? The sons of God in Job is the SAME term used in Genesis 6.

    Where does this speculation of yours come from? Why don't you simply let Scripture interpret for itself?

    4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.
    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars sang together,
    And all the ​sons of God shouted for joy?

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    The word "nephilim" as used in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 is simply an anglocizing of the Hebrew word nephiyl. If it were to be translated it would be simply "the fallen".
    Strongs translates the word meaning Giants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother5 View Post
    Who are the sons of God described in Genesis 6:1-8?
    Sons of God in Scripture are creatures created by God to glorify Him in return. Adam was a son of God. All angels are sons of God. Lucifer was a son of God. Since the fall, man cannot be a son of God until he is made a "new creature in Christ" through the new birth afforded by Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post



    Jude 6-7 (KJV)

    "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

    It appears these are the angels of Genesis 6.

    ***********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Here he is comparing the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha being wraped around them and they acting like those there.

    **********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    He is telling us here the Angels committed fornication of going after strange flesh which were the daughter's of men.

    NOW the way this is written, it could be worse and allude to homosexuality?


    *********

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    All three, the angels in Hades, the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrha who are dead; are awaiting final judgement of Eternal Fire.


    The main question is can the Angels have sexual intercourse and with Human women? Nothing is said except there is no need for marriage with our new heavenly bodies. keep in mind, that there are several occasions in the Bible Angels appeared as MEN.
    (Genesis 18:1-19)..also the two witnesses (rev 11) and several others.

    If they can do this, can they not have all the parts that work? They are touchable (or not spirit pictured as human--Hologram)

    What do you think 'oldhermit'. The Sethite view of Genesis 6 has been debunked for some time now. Yet, there are a lot of churches that cling to it. Mainly because of what we are arguing about. The ability of the Angels to Have intercourse.


    "just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

    Look at the construction of the text. "Which likewise indulged in sexual immorality" is not linking Sodom and Gomorrah to the angels who left their first estate, it is linking the behavior of the "surrounding cities" to the like behavior of Sodom and Gomorrah. The sin of the angels is specified simply as having left their "own position of authority" not sexual immorality.


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    here is no text of scripture that says the angels who sinned were assigned to the earth after having fallen, nor is there any text that tells us their sin was fornication. In fact, the verse goes on to say that these, “he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.” In 2Peter 2:4, Peter tells us this about them, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (ταρταρώσας – the abyss) and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;” When the angels sinned, they were not cast out upon the earth. Peter tells us where they were deposited.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    I never heard of anyone retiring from a calling of God... isn't that just quitting?

    The gifts and callings of God are without repentance as far as He is concerned, so we should follow suit
    No, just a shift of teaching focus. I retired to devote my time to classroom teaching and to writing.

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    he omitted a key part of the Mt 22 30 passage "In heaven"

    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

    IMO Gen 6 is pretty clear that all this took place in this world and not the heavens.
    There is no text of scripture that says the angels who sinned were assigned to the earth after having fallen, nor is there any text that tells us their sin was fornication. In fact, the verse goes on to say that these, “he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.” In 2Peter 2:4, Peter tells us this about them, “For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (ταρταρώσας – the abyss) and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;” When the angels sinned they were not cast out upon the earth, they were assigned to pits of darkness.

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    Hello Mother5,

    The son's of God in Gen.6:1,4 is another designation for angels. This same designation is used in Job 1:6, 2:1.

    The scripture in Gen.6:1 is in reference to the angels who had take for themselves wives from the progeny of mankind. And by doing so they defiled them selves. These son's of God, the angels, are most likely the same angels that both 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 refer to who were put in chains of darkness in Tartarus under the earth until the day of judgment.

    It was due to the offspring of these angels who became giants, as well as all that the angels taught mankind, and thereby corrupting the inhabitants of the earth. These were the major reasons for the flood. The world had been altered by the angels, the son's of God.

    Hope this was beneficial.
    This is my understanding on the topic as well..

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