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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    1. Here to hurt feelings?
    If a thread is titled "Don't read this if you don't want your feelings hurt"...
    you are admitting you created a thread to hurt people's feelings.

    It's a very strange thing to create a thread with the intention of hurting people's feelings.


    2. Not even a modicum of politeness toward a different view?
    You screamed the word "hypocrite" 7 times at people just for disagreeing with you... on a doctrine which, historically, your position has never been well received until very recently... and even now is hotly debated by perfectly respectable people.

    Maybe, at the very least, you might consider a bit of politeness toward opposing views.


    3. Personally, it's none of my business if the preachers at your church are men, women, or space aliens...
    but it really seems like we all need to stop drinking coffee a lot earlier in the day.
    He did tell them not to come in..... There shouldn't be anyone getting their feelings hurt. Who's fault is it when they come in anyway?

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    What man did God give authority over His church?

    What denomination believes this?

    While it is true that men have offices of authority in the church, it's not biblical that they have either office or authority. It's man-made, & not of God.

    The whole thing is wrong. It started with the RCC, then the Lutherans & all the others.

    So sad..... folks fighting about women having authority when there's thousands of men doing it.

    The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

    Christ has the authority over His church. The only exception is when the Holy Spirit moves upon those to speak for God.

    The message has God's authority, but not the speaker.

    All I see is men fighting for power that doesn't belong to them.

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    Women can't biblically have office or authority in the church.

    Neither can men.

    Search the scriptures..... there's no place where God gives a man or a woman authority in His church.

    Servant ministries, yes, but not authority.

    The whole "only men" thing is a farce.

    Whosoever believes this believes false doctrine.

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    Luke 9
    1And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases. 2And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to perform healing. 3And He said to them, “Take nothing for your journey, neither a staff, nor a bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not even have two tunics apiece. 4“Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that city. 5“And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”6Departing, they began going throughout the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere.

    Nothing about power & authority over His church.

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    Titus 2
    11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, 13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. 15These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

    Authority to speak, teach, & reprove. No authority over the church, though.

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    1 Corinthians 7
    1Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

    The only authority I found so far..... both the husband & wife have it over each other..... sexual authority. Imagine that.

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    The whole "only men" thing is a farce.

    Whosoever believes this believes false doctrine.
    So you have removed these verse from your bible?

    1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13

    Did you explain to the Lord that He FAILED to keep lies out of His Word???




    sexual authority. Imagine that.
    Are you like one of those bondage freaks?

    You know...leather, whips, chains, etc,?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    So you have removed these verse from your bible?

    1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13

    Did you explain to the Lord that He FAILED to keep lies out of His Word???






    Are you like one of those bondage freaks?

    You know...leather, whips, chains, etc,?
    When you study something besides the tainted KJV, I will respond to you.....

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    Saying that women are stronger than men (if this is meant in the literal, physical sense) is just wrong. That would be similar to saying that men are better at nurturing children than women are, just because a few of them are.

    There are exceptions to every rule, of course.

    Back when I was younger, and hanging commercial sheetrock for a living, I never did see a woman sheetrocker. I saw lots of women carpenters, telephone installers, electricians.... never a sheetrocker. (possibly because they were too SMART to be sheetrockers ) but that trade is very physically demanding... an 8' sheet of 5/8" firecode sheetrock weighs around 80 pounds, IIRC... and you have to be able to not only pick it up, but spin it around, maneuver it into position, and hold it in position while it's being tacked in place. Not really a job for the faint of heart... I'm sure that somewhere, there is a woman hanging sheetrock... but I never saw one in the 7 years or so that I did it for a living.

    there is a physical difference between men and women... God tells us that. Nature tells us that. There are some that will blur the lines somewhat, but generally speaking, women are not stronger than men.
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    When you study something besides the tainted KJV, I will respond to you.....
    When you pull yer head out of yo backsides... the Lord will respond to you and correct you.

    What do you read from? The "queen james version"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    When you pull yer head out of yo backsides... the Lord will respond to you and correct you.

    What do you read from? The "queen james version"
    Hopefully an admin will correct you, for you obnoxious behavior has been reported.

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    Hey, I'm not the one speaking in opposition to what God said in His Word concerning who is qualified to be in ministry.

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    Default Re: If You Don't Want Your Feelings Hurt, Don't Read This

    Are you married?
    Do you have daughters?
    Do you even attend a Congregational Church?

    If so (to any or all of the above), DO YOU enforce ALL of the Restrictions Paul put on women and how they act/dress/speak?

    If not, then mayhaps you should find a dark corner somewhere and contemplate your hypocrisy?



    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    When you pull yer head out of yo backsides... the Lord will respond to you and correct you.

    What do you read from? The "queen james version"
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    I see a lot of misquotations of and additions to Scripture in this thread, mostly around 1 Timothy 2, such that people claim it says something which it does not. So, I'll paste the verses so often misquoted and then comment...

    1 Tim 2:11-14 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (NASB).

    First... what it does not say: lead, pastor or preach, or anything about the assembly, or the church or the meeting. Those words simply aren't in those verses, or in their immediate context. As an aside, "leading" does not necessarily incorporate authority (one can lead by example!).

    Second... what it does say: a woman, singular, and a man, singular. Women and men (both plural) appear in the previous verses, but not after v. 10.

    A key issue... the verb authentein ("exercise authority") is notoriously hard to translate. Its exact meaning in English is much debated. Frankly, getting dogmatic with this word at the centre of the verse in question is unwise... for all of us.

    A few thoughts... Those who use this verse to argue against female pastors need to explain why Paul switches to the singular at this point. It would have been much clearer to say, "I do not permit women to teach men at all in the Church". He didn't. Also, once "a woman" has learned, then what? Must she remain quiet forever? Must she remain under the tutelage of men forever, who may well know less than her?

    I submit that our understanding of this passage is hindered by a lack of understanding of cultural context, without which we don't really know what Paul meant by authentein or by referencing the creation order. The one view I've read which makes great sense of this whole passage is that Paul was dealing with proto-Gnostics who taught that women were superior, having been created first and holding secret knowledge passed down from Eve. Paul directly refutes this by declaring that Adam was formed first and that Eve was deceived. A woman teaching such things needs to "be quiet and learn the truth". By the way, the "anti-Gnostic" view also makes sense of verse 5 being placed where it is.

    Are all women forbidden from teaching men because Adam was formed first, or because Eve was deceived? Ask yourself... in any other context, would those arguments make any sense at all? Do we hold the children guilty for the crimes of the parents? Should we hold all women under judgment for the deception of Eve? (Even modern legal systems are better than that!) If so, we should then also hold men under judgment for the sin of Adam... a little consistency is in order! Let me ask one more question though: consider the righteousness, holiness and wisdom of our God. Do you honestly think that God, having just witnessed the sin of Adam, would set now-sinful male humans in permanent authority over female humans for all time? Sorry, that doesn't wash with me. It makes far more sense to me that the enforced suppression of women in the church merely proves the consequence which God stated way back in Genesis 3: "but he will rule over you." Nowhere in that passage does God ever say (or even hint) that such is what He desired. If you think so, follow the logic carefully and find a monster who "wants" women to suffer greatly in the pain of childbirth. That ain't Jesus!

    A word to those who appeal to fear, warning dire judgment on those "who rebel against the authority of God's word" (or however they phrase it): don't lump us in with liberals who disregard Scripture... that is simply incorrect. Also, don't waste your imprecations on us: we believe as we do because we take the word of God seriously... enough to do some digging and thinking beyond the translated words on the page. You believe differently; fine, but don't demonize those who disagree with you, for you won't convince anyone of your view by being vicious, vindictive or insulting.
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    DO YOU enforce ALL of the Restrictions Paul put on women and how they act/dress/speak?
    Oh yes, even though I'm not the pastor of the church... I jump up and slap the women down if they even so much as say hi to one another.

    Yeah, how about all the other things the New Testament says we should all be doing even the verses not related to this subject but living Godly before the Lord in general... am I supposed to be the police of the Body of Christ???

    What you are trying to say is a joke... just because all is not being walked in then we should just blow off God's instructions.

    That does not end well... and no, I do not sit under any teachings in any church that comes from females and if the pastor's wife starts barking out orders I'll tell her I'll have to check in with her husband to see if her orders are authorized by him... or, I'd probably just smile at her and ignore her.

    God's Word says what it says on this subject and on many others... reject His instruction at your own peril.




    we believe as we do because we take the word of God seriously...
    On this subject... not so much.

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    You have proven the assertion in the OP and, at the same time, missed it completely!

    Too, too funny........

    For someone, anyone, to cherry pick ONE SCRIPTURE from the Word, and use that Scripture to establish a Theological Ideology while completely disregarding ALL the other Scriptures that go hand in hand with the one cherry picked reveals that person to be a hypocrite.

    Thanks for proving the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    Oh yes, even though I'm not the pastor of the church... I jump up and slap the women down if they even so much as say hi to one another.

    Yeah, how about all the other things the New Testament says we should all be doing even the verses not related to this subject but living Godly before the Lord in general... am I supposed to be the police of the Body of Christ???

    What you are trying to say is a joke... just because all is not being walked in then we should just blow off God's instructions.

    That does not end well... and no, I do not sit under any teachings in any church that comes from females and if the pastor's wife starts barking out orders I'll tell her I'll have to check in with her husband to see if her orders are authorized by him... or, I'd probably just smile at her and ignore her.

    God's Word says what it says on this subject and on many others... reject His instruction at your own peril.






    On this subject... not so much.
    Hebrews 13:5 .) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 .) So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

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    "In the last days it shall be,' says God,*that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;*your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,*your young men shall see visions,*and your old men shall dream dreams. Even on My menservants and maidservants*I will pour out My Spirit in those days;*and they shall prophesy" (Acts 2:17-18).
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    I loved reading through all of the comments. Especially those that leaned towards suggesting I exhibit more Christian love towards those I was speaking to........... But what I really liked was reading the Screen Names of those who "LIKED" the comments suggesting I act with more Christian love.........that was too, too funny.

    In the end, almost all people missed the actual point of the OP, but that does not surprise me, because when reading such Threads, folks focus the most contentious part of the Thread, and not reading in context. I have to wonder how some of you would have counseled Jesus were you there when He laid it on the hypocrites of His day?

    Matthew, Chapter 23...........

    But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    14 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
    15 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
    16 .) Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
    17 .) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
    18 .) And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
    19 .) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
    20 .) Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
    21 .) And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
    22 .) And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
    23 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
    24 .) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
    25 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
    26 .) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
    27 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
    28 .) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
    29 .) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    30 .) And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
    31 .) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    32 .) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    33 .) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
    34 .) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
    35 .) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
    36 .) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    37 .) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
    38 .) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    39 .) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


    Boy! HE DIDN'T MINCE HIS WORDS DID HE?



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    Quote Originally Posted by p_rehbein View Post
    Gonna start this Thread because I do not want to derail the other one currently going on. If you believe women are not allowed to be Pastors, and don't want your feelings hurt, STOP reading now!

    I am fed up with the Hypocrites who PUSH this ideology on the Church. They get all puffed up and self righteous and come up with.........."well, that's what the Bible says!" Women are not to have authority over men! It's right there in the Bible!

    Yup............and ain't it funny that they STOP obeying what the Bible says about women RIGHT THERE! As for what else the Bible says about women, they make all sorts of excuses as to why they do not teach, enforce those commands either. Seems their Legalistic Ideology begins and ends with women being Pastors.

    So, what else does the Bible say?

    1 Corinthians 14:34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

    These puffed up hypocrites don't seem to understand this Scripture do they? Their women be speaking all the time in the Church. They talk and pray, and sing all the time.

    1 Corinthians 14:35)
    And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    These puffed up hypocrites don't seem to understand this Scripture either. Their women actually own Bibles, and read their Bibles and some of them teach Sunday School! The Scripture is crystal clear! If the women want to learn ANYTHING, they are to ASK THEIR HUSBANDS AT HOME! Not read the Bible for themselves, much less OWN ONE! And they ARE NOT to teach are they.

    1 Timothy 2:9)
    In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

    These puffed up hypocrites don't seem to understand this Scripture either! Their women cut their hair, dye their hair all different colors, false eyelashes 'n' such, paint up their faces and lips, put on all sorts of jewelry, wear all sorts of fancy and tight fitting cloths.

    Now, I know there is a small movement that keep a little tighter grip on their women. The women don't cut their hair.....wear it all up in a bun, wear long, ugly dresses, no make up or jewelry, but even these women speak and sing in Church, and own Bibles, AND READ THEM! So, they don't get a pass either.

    The only people women are allowed to teach are their daughters!

    Titus 2:3)
    The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
    4 .) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
    5 .) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.



    The end result is that ANY of these puffed up hypocrites who rail against women Pastors and DO NOT enforce these other directives concerning women......................

    ARE HYPOCRITES!



    SIDE BAR:

    If you believe that women are not allowed to be Preachers, Pastors, please check your "Friends" list. If I am on it, please REMOVE me. I am completely fed up with this hypocritical ideology pushed on women and the Church!


    And like all the others You are wrong! The bible does NOT say women are to be silent in church. or the Woman is not to be over men. This is what is called Doctrines of demons. Or Doctrines taught by demons. Read the Word properly and you will see. So Now that I have your attention.....Do I? Let's discuss it.

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    john 20:10-18 "Then the disciples went away again unto their own home. BUT MARY stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
    And they say unto HER, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away MY LORD, and I know not where they have laid him. And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith UNTO HER, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I WILL take him away.

    Jesus saith unto HER, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus saith unto HER, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY UNTO THEM, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. MARY MAGDALENE CAME AND TOLD the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things UNTO HER"


    Mary was the first to be directed to speak the words of the resurrected Lord, that should make people consider speaking against someone ( male or female) that Has been entrusted with a ,message from the Lord. Paul was not perfect, he says as much himself, i think its a bit of His bias from His past showing through, Jesus was looking for disciples whether male or female, and still is to speak His word to those who will listen.


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