WHO was the first born again man???

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Yes, as we understand it today having access to God's entire Word... but it's also being changed from one state into another state.

We know Adam was alive unto God because God warned him that if he ate of that tree he would surely die.

So, Adam was changed from life unto death.

The Word says Jesus... who knew no sin of His own, meaning He never committed any sin... was made to be sin for us and on the Cross Jesus acknowledged that the Father had forsaken Him.

So, Jesus was the first born from the dead and was the first man to be changed from death into life.... which is what hapend to us when we got born again.

We were separated from God, living in death... and we were resurrected with Christ unto life.
Rom 1v4, And 'declared to be the 'Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead .
This 'officially declares JESUS to be the Son of God - changed from the 'son of man....a REAL change we also can look forward to at the resurrection. In the meantime we are only ''begotten if we have received the HS of God.
We need to base the 'spiritual birth on the pattern of the human re-production system....first 'begettal/conception followed by 'gestation and THEN the actual birth into the world / or into the Kingdom of God by the resurrection from the dead. That is the real process....not being 'born again now while still in the flesh.
 
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We don't actually know the first man to be born again only God knows
for certain.

I would hazard a guess it was Adam.
He fell into temptation, fell/sinned. Then was covered by animal sacrifice. That's assuming
God recognised his faith at some point (just because it's not mentioned in the
bible, doesn't mean he wasn't saved by faith, only God knows for sure).

The first other possibility according to what is actually written in the bible is Abel.
Abel was born in sin but righteousness was accounted to him through his faith.


Hebrews 11:4 NKJV
[4] By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through
which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and
through it he being dead still speaks.


Jesus wasn't the first man born from death to life. What about where Moses and
Elijah appeared with Jesus in the garden. Or the rich man and Lazarus parable.
 
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We don't actually know the first man to be born again

Sure we do... Adam was alive, and after he sinned he was changed or born from life to death.



Jesus wasn't the first man born from death to life
Surely you are not suggesting that there are lies in God's Word... are you???


Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Revelation 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.



...the rich man and Lazarus parable
I already touched on that... since the Word of God tells us that Jesus was the first born from the dead, and we know Lazurus was raised from the dead before Jesus went to the Cross... this shows that Jesus did more than just die physically as some claim because if all He did was die physically only, then Colossians 1:18 is a lie...
 
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We don't actually know the first man to be born again

Sure we do... Adam was alive, and after he sinned he was changed or born from life to death.





Surely you are not suggesting that there are lies in God's Word... are you???


Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Revelation 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.



I already touched on that... since the Word of God tells us that Jesus was the first born from the dead, and we know Lazurus was raised from the dead before Jesus went to the Cross... this shows that Jesus did more than just die physically as some claim because if all He did was die physically only, then Colossians 1:18 is a lie...

I stand corrected by Colossians, I think though that there is a difference between born
again and born into new life as in risen from the dead.

Im born again but I'm not dead.

So if Adam, Abel etc were dead to sin, i.e. were counted as new creations having put the
old man aside - they would have been born again but still alive.
 
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Before we were born again we were spiritually dead.
 

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Genesis 4: 25, 26
Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, “God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him.” To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the Lord.
​Interesting that you posted this I just seen book with the title, "Calling on the Name of the Lord: A Biblical Theology of Prayer"
 
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So if Adam, Abel etc were dead to sin, i.e. were counted as new creations having put the
old man aside - they would have been born again but still alive.
No, Adam was created alive unto God... he sinned, and became dead and everyone born after him was dead as well.

Everything produces after it's own kind so once Adam died, everyone after him was born in to death which is why God had to bring forth Jesus and His plan of Salvation so people could get born again from death unto life and then spend eternity with God instead of going to hell.




Before we were born again we were spiritually dead.
Before Adam was born again (changed from one state of being to another state of being)... he was alive.

He sinned, and then became dead (separated from God's life)
 
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Now this is a great problem for me. Please here me out.

There were many in the old as well as the new testament that were raised from the dead.
Even the term raised from the dead refers to Christ.
Now Jesus was raised never to die again. Resurrected and raised from the dead (to me) should not mean the same thing.
As was told Jesus was not the first to raise from the dead . Yet he is the firstfruits.
I looked for any differences in terminology and found none.
Now either the dead raised by Jesus, Elijah, etc are still living or the term resurrection has lost its meaning.. Hope I explained it well enough....your thoughts?

Second , well let's resolve this first issue.
 
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Now this is a great problem for me. Please here me out.

There were many in the old as well as the new testament that were raised from the dead.
Even the term raised from the dead refers to Christ.
Now Jesus was raised never to die again. Resurrected and raised from the dead (to me) should not mean the same thing.
As was told Jesus was not the first to raise from the dead . Yet he is the firstfruits.
I looked for any differences in terminology and found none.
Now either the dead raised by Jesus, Elijah, etc are still living or the term resurrection has lost its meaning.. Hope I explained it well enough....your thoughts?

Second , well let's resolve this first issue.
Jesus was the only one begotten of the entire human race.

Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, but Lazarus died again.

Jesus died and rose again into eternal life. Nobody else can claim that.
 
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Jesus died and rose again into eternal life. Nobody else can claim that.
And, nobody had ever died spiritually and come back to life either... but Jesus did.

He suffered... for us... exactly what we would have suffered had we died in our sin.... separation from God which is what the wages of sin is, death.

No, Jesus never committed any sin... but the Word is clear that He Who knew no sin was made to be sin for us so that we could be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Lots of folks want to claim Jesus was not separated from God (died spiritually) but they have to deny scripture to do so.
 
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And, nobody had ever died spiritually and come back to life either... but Jesus did.

He suffered... for us... exactly what we would have suffered had we died in our sin.... separation from God which is what the wages of sin is, death.

No, Jesus never committed any sin... but the Word is clear that He Who knew no sin was made to be sin for us so that we could be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:21)

Lots of folks want to claim Jesus was not separated from God (died spiritually) but they have to deny scripture to do so.
Christ himself is life, he holds all things together, how could he be separated from the father and die spiritually when he said into your hands father I commit my spirit?
 
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Christ himself is life, he holds all things together, how could he be separated from the father and die spiritually when he said into your hands father I commit my spirit?
This is all part of the great mystery of Salvation. We either take God at His Word or we choose to not believe parts of God's Word and become cherry pickers and become deceived.

Scripture did not stutter... do you believe what God's Word says?

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He has made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
(see Romans 6:23 - the wages of sin is death)

All things are possible with God (except lying), including Jesus experiencing everything we would have experienced had we died in our sins and would have been completely separated from God and incarcerated in hell... still very much alive as in being aware, but being "dead" in the sense that we have been totally, and completely cut off from the life of God and totally, and completely cut off from all good to experience absolute darkness and absolute evil.

This is what Jesus Christ experienced as He tasted of death for every man:


Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

If Jesus only died physically, then why wasn’t Lazarus (John 11:38-44) identified as being the first born from physical death? What about the Widow's son that Elijah raised from the dead? (1 Kings 17:17-24). Clearly Jesus was not the first person to die physically and be raised from the dead, so Colossians 1:18 couldn’t just be referring to physical death.

Colossians 1:18 could not be referring to just physical death because other people had died before Jesus did and were brought back to life... Elisha resurrected the son of the Shunammite woman (2 Kings 4:35), Jesus resurrects the widow's son at Nain (Luke 7:13-15), Jesus raises Jairus' daughter from the dead (Matthew 9:25), Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead (John 11:43-44).

If Jesus only died physically then either Colossians 1:18 is a lie... or all these other scriptures references are lies... which is it? Does God's Word contradict itself, or does it not? Or... do other scriptures references point to Jesus suffering something more than just physical death???


Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Isaiah 52:14
As many were astonied at thee; His visage was so marred more
than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:


He was so deformed; He did not appear in the form of a man anymore. This cannot be a reference to Jesus' physical body, because John 19:36 says not one bone was broken in Jesus Body, which shows that His physical Body must have still been in the shape and image of how a man normally looks physically.

So Isaiah 52:14 must be a reference to His spiritual body (see 1 Corinthians 15:40 that mentions two types of bodies, on physical and one spiritual)

Additional Thoughts - Isaiah 52 is obviously speaking of Jesus Christ, yet John 19:36 says "Not one of his bones will be broken" (quoting Psalm 34:20)... this leads to Isaiah 52:14 meaning it is speaking of Jesus in a state other than His physical state. In the story Jesus told of a "certain" (this means it is an actual account of two people and not just a parable spoken for the sake of illustration) rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), there is no indication whatsoever that Lazarus was in any pain or discomfort at all in Abraham's bosom.

Additional Thoughts - We know that this verse is talking about a spiritual resurrection and not a natural one because there were several resurrections before Jesus died and rose again. If it was a natural resurrection God was talking about, then Jesus could not have been called the Firstborn from the dead.

If Jesus had just gone to Abraham's bosom, then the scripture would not have references to Jesus suffering pain (Acts 2:24) and being with the dead (Isaiah 53:8) which are those that are cut off from God. Jesus went there because of OUR sin because the penalty of sin is death which is to be separated from God. Just like the scapegoat was separated from the camp (Leviticus 16:26) as on carrying the sin of the people, Jesus was separated from God with our sin. Since He was sinless, He was the only One who could have done this for mankind.

Hebrews 13:11,12
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.


Companion scripture:

Isaiah 53:8
By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who considered
that He was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of My people


“Cut off out of the land of the living” is being separated from Life (God) and is not being in Abraham's bosom which was the temporary location of Paradise which was necessary for the OT saints to be held there until the new birth became available. We know all OT saints went to Abraham's bosom when they died and not into the presence of God because in John 1:18 Jesus said no man had seen God.

“Cut off out of the land of the living” is being separated from Life (God) and is not being in Abraham's bosom which was the temporary location of Paradise which was necessary for the OT saints to be held there until the new birth became available. We know all OT saints went to Abraham's bosom when they died and not into the presence of God because in John 1:18 Jesus said no man had seen God.

Isaiah 53:10-12
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul (spirit is inside the soul) an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death (separation from God): and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Numerous passages in the Psalms are considered by Bible scholars to be Jesus speaking,
as this does fit with what other scriptures say concerning Jesus' death in our behalf.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Psalms 86:13
For great is thy mercy toward Me: and thou hast delivered My soul (spirit is inside the soul) from the lowest hell.


Psalms 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
(Corruption = becoming defective in thinking, viewpoint, vision... Jesus never lost faith or knowledge of Who He was)


This all speaks to the terrible price Jesus paid for us to be saved... we should not waste the opportunity to be a child of God and walk with the Lord ALL the days of our life!

Knowing Jesus paid such an awesome price to purchase us not only brings us closer to Him... it also enables us to understand that satan is a defeated foe and has NO RIGHT to push us around in our personal lives.
 

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Adam was not born, but created, the one are only man, he and Eve to be created. everybody elsewas born of woman. The born again stage is the rebirth of the spirit of the person who was born in sin,and that was every man after adam and eve. when your original spirit man has been cleaned by God ,a new one is recreated in you.David cried out to God about putting in him a new and clean spirit,because he knew his was dirty and full of sin. he did not have the holy spirit. So i would say the first man to be reborn was Enoch, who was the first to walk with God. im certain he experienced a new birth of the spirit man.
 
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Adam was not born, but created
I'm not speaking of how Adam was created or how he came in to being... I speaking about when he sinned, he was born again from life into death which simply means he was changed from life to death.

When we get born again IN CHRIST we are changed from death to life and Jesus called that getting born again.

Adam got born again in reverse as he was changed from life to death.... he should not have followed that woman!




i would say the first man to be reborn was Enoch, who was the first to walk with God. im certain he experienced a new birth of the spirit man
He was still a spiritually dead person... being able to be changed from death to life was not available until after Jesus was raised from the dead.

But, he did put himself in agreement with the Lord to the extent that he pleased God so much the Lord wanted to preserve him... but we know Enoch did not go to Heaven to be in the literal presence of God because Jesus told us no man had seen God so Enoch went to "paradise" as it was temporarily located in Abraham's Bosom... even before Abraham was
 
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I would say it would be those who were created on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day. The phrase born again is incorrect We are to be born from above. That's where the Nephilim in the book of Genesis messed up. They refused to be born of the flesh and will suffer for it. All of Gods children must be born of the flesh. There's no getting around it. All God's children must pass through these flesh body's or no eternal life. In most translations, the words “born again” have been carried on in a traditional manner, suggesting that a second “birth” is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God. Many Bibles, in their margins, will have “from above” showing this is what the original manuscripts have. When we look into the words actually spoken, we find that it was Nicodemus who made the suggestion about entering a second time into his mother’s womb. This was the interpretation that Nicodemus put on Jesus’ words, but Jesus did not say anything about a second time even if the translations make Him appear to say He did. JESUS DID NOT USE THE WORD “AGAIN”! There is no manuscript at all that says Jesus used the word “again”. The word deuteros that Nicodemus spake appears in the New Testament 44 times, and it always means twice, again, etc. Jesus did not use this word deuteros; Jesus used the word anothen.

Strong G509 anothen Includes from above, or from the first. Thayer anothen Used of things that come from heaven [from God], or from a higher [upper] place, or from the very first, or from the origin.
 
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The phrase born again is incorrect
Actually it's not... the New Testament speaks of those being born again being translated (moved, changed) from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear son.

Adam did just the opposite as he was translated (moved, changed) from being a living soul in fellowship with the father into the kingdom (domain) of the devil which is darkness or being separated from God which is what spiritual death is.
 
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Here's a subject that blows a fuse in most people's mind and understanding because one must specifically go directly from God's Word to understand...

WHO was the first man to be born again?
I love questions like this...They make people think, and hopefully dig into the Word.

The first man to be born again was a thief..He hung on the cross next to Jesus. "Lord Remember me...." "Today you will be with me...."
 
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The first man to be born again was a thief
The Bible says Jesus was the first born from the dead... so, Jesus was the first man to be born again (changed) from death unto life.

And, Adam was the first man to be born again (changed) from live unto death making him the first man to be "born again" (changed from one state of being to another)
 
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The Bible says Jesus was the first born from the dead... so, Jesus was the first man to be born again (changed) from death unto life.

And, Adam was the first man to be born again (changed) from live unto death making him the first man to be "born again" (changed from one state of being to another)
Now here's the thing...Jesus did not need to be born again...He bore our sins but was without sin Himself...Jesus was not dead in sin as we were...So no need to be born again...Which by the way is...Born of the flesh- the body and born of the spirit. Jesus spirit was intact from the beginning. Adam likewise was not born again. NOBODY was born again before Jesus died on the cross and paid the price for us. The first man born again was a thief. Even the twelve had to be born again after Jesus died. Nobody gets in till the admission is paid.
 
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Jesus did not need to be born again...
That is in direct opposition to what God said about this in His Word...

Colossians 1:18

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead...





was without sin Himself...
Did anybody claim Jesus committed any sin?





Jesus was not dead in sin as we were...
That is in direct opposition to what God said about this in His Word...

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

No, Jesus never committed any sin Himself... but He was "made to be sin" because He is the Lamb of God who took upon Himself the sin of the world and suffered for us so man could have opportunity to get born again (changed) from death to life




The first man born again was a thief.
Jesus was raised for our justification so nobody got born again from death unto life until after He was raised up:

Romans 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.