Ye olde HELL thread...

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I know hell is a real place not just because the scriptures speak of it but I have been there
So you've been to hell? And back? Could have sworn Christ said there was a great chasm fixed between here and hell, Luke 16:26 and that none could pass from here to there and vice versa. But somehow you've made it there and back? Interesting.
 
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Some people just cannot face the reality of Hell so they believe in annihilation or it doesn't exist all together. Annihilationism is as false as purgatory
 

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So you've been to hell? And back? Could have sworn Christ said there was a great chasm fixed between here and hell, Luke 16:26 and that none could pass from here to there and vice versa. But somehow you've made it there and back? Interesting.
Yes on our own accord we cannot possibly begin to do this but if God takes us in the spirit to the spiritual realm he also has the power to take us back.
I myself do not know if I was in my body or if i was in the spirit although the sweat from the intense heat and humidity made my shirt glued to my skin
 
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Yes on our own accord we cannot possibly begin to do this but if God takes us in the spirit to the spiritual realm he also has the power to take us back.
I myself do not know if I was in my body or if i was in the spirit although the sweat from the intense heat and humidity made my shirt glued to my skin
I was already convinced you could spin Scripture and self proclaim a loophole on Christ's words when you said you went to hell. I didn't see Him make such a disclaimer. No, I don't believe you nor should I.
 

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I was already convinced you could spin Scripture and self proclaim a loophole on Christ's words when you said you went to hell. I didn't see Him make such a disclaimer. No, I don't believe you nor should I.
I never asked you to believe me, you can take what I say as truth or lies i didn't post my experience for people to believe me. If God leads my heart to speak something I do it even if it upset people or even if I seem like a liar and a scripture twister to some. The important thing is how God will use what I lead to speak not if people believe me or not
 
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I never asked you to believe me, you can take what I say as truth or lies i didn't post my experience for people to believe me. If God leads my heart to speak something I do it even if it upset people or even if I seem like a liar and a scripture twister to some. The important thing is how God will use what I lead to speak not if people believe me or not
What I am saying is that Scripture denies your account. Specifically the actual words of Christ to be exact.
 

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What I am saying is that Scripture denies your account. Specifically the actual words of Christ to be exact.
I have already explained to you about that verse and you said i found a loop hole in Christ words. Also if you notice Jesus was speaking about a man who had lived his life and died and was in hell, i was not dead
 
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I have already explained to you about that verse and you said i found a loop hole in Christ words. Also if you notice Jesus was speaking about a man who had lived his life and died and was in hell, i was not dead
Oh stop it already. The context referred to the chasm between the dead and the living not just the dead man. You didn't go to hell. God doesn't need to use you and your false experience to convince anyone. He uses His Word instead which by the way is in the same passage given. You've missed all of that for the sake of your made up story.
 

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Oh stop it already. The context referred to the chasm between the dead and the living not just the dead man. You didn't go to hell. God doesn't need to use you and your false experience to convince anyone. He uses His Word instead which by the way is in the same passage given. You've missed all of that for the sake of your made up story.
Regardless I am sorry if I upset you and will leave it at that as this thread is not about me or my visit to hell and I do not intend to derail it so the next time I post on this thread it will be about the acual discussion
 
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In a different thread someone brought up the subject of hell and it reminded me that more and more people claiming to be bible believing Christians are starting to believe there either is no hell or "annialationalism" where a person may spend some time in hell but after a while God snuffs them out so they are dead like a dog meaning they have no further consciousness.

After this post, I'll post a bunch of verses I have saved on my computer that ware saved over the years when this tiopic came up and I saved verses related to the subject of hell.

But first... I found one a while back that appears to say that after the new Heaven and new Earth have been established, those that are 'saved' and living with the Lord in eternity will be able to see those that have gone to hell and it will serve as a reminder... apparently because man has free will and if lucifer could rebel against God without having a tempter then man can to and the Lord wants there to be a memorial for everyone to see what happens to those that oppose God:

Isaiah 66:22-24

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Freaky deaky, ain't it???

the worst part of hell will be thr torment and the whole time them seeing what they parted from because of thier " bowl of red stew" esaus tears couldnt get the blessing back, its final decision we make in this temporary estate. will the son of man find faith on earth when He returns?
 
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Some people just cannot face the reality of Hell so they believe in annihilation or it doesn't exist all together. Annihilationism is as false as purgatory
universalists believe even satan and demons will be redeemed because God is just too good for anyone to go to the " pretend hell" that people made up .....Like any other false doctrine it becomes a blindfold you can show 100 scriptures to them and its like invisible ink, it becomes really evident how carefully we need to guard true doctrine because satan has multiplied the false doctrines that dispute and bring into question Gods Word, and then if we allow it, teach a totally contrary to God lie that sounds good for the temporal.

who wouldnt want to live for thier own selfish pleasure and still end up in Gods presence for eternity. and thats what false doctrine offers " surely you will not die......"
 
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I think it is possible for Jesus to take a person to see either Heaven or Hell, Jesus said that ALL power was given to him in Heaven and earth, He does what He pleases. The picture of paradise and Hell that was before Christ resurrection does not have to exist in that exact same form since the resurrection, for instance, Abraham would be in Heaven today and not in a place next to Hades. I do not know if the story by Blain is true, but I know that it could be true. I have never been to Heaven or Hell, but I have been in the spirit realm a few times...there is nothing in the bible that says that such a thing cannot happen. People do not teach about hell because it is so horrible to think about. One man said that he was allowed by God to witness about 50 Christians going to Heaven while the Spirit revealed to him that about 1950 were going the other way, that means world wide at that time only about 2&1/2% were actually making it into Heaven.
 

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I never understood the thing about hades and hell because in revelation it speaks about both of them being thrown into the lake of fire but if you look at other references in scripture you find hell mainly being spoken of as a place and hades is not found as often in scripture as hell is.
 
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I think it is possible for Jesus to take a person to see either Heaven or Hell, Jesus said that ALL power was given to him in Heaven and earth, He does what He pleases. The picture of paradise and Hell that was before Christ resurrection does not have to exist in that exact same form since the resurrection, for instance, Abraham would be in Heaven today and not in a place next to Hades. I do not know if the story by Blain is true, but I know that it could be true. I have never been to Heaven or Hell, but I have been in the spirit realm a few times...there is nothing in the bible that says that such a thing cannot happen. People do not teach about hell because it is so horrible to think about. One man said that he was allowed by God to witness about 50 Christians going to Heaven while the Spirit revealed to him that about 1950 were going the other way, that means world wide at that time only about 2&1/2% were actually making it into Heaven.

"I do not know if the story by Blain is true, but I know that it could be true."

I agree completely with this. often if we dont have an experience our mind tells us its not possible. or if we dont already have an understanding, when we hear it, its " wrong" in our minds. I dont believe blain would make up a lie about things pertaining to God.
 

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"I do not know if the story by Blain is true, but I know that it could be true."

I agree completely with this. often if we dont have an experience our mind tells us its not possible. or if we dont already have an understanding, when we hear it, its " wrong" in our minds. I dont believe blain would make up a lie about things pertaining to God.
Ty my friend I do not take the things of God lightly and honestly what would i gain by making up a story like that? People who know me know that I could care less about being in the spotlight in fact I hate it and often times brush off all the things people boast about me and give the credit to God.
So to make up a story like that just goes against my character but I also do understand the skepticism
 

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And it's about loving the Lord before your neighbor, yourself, your family, kids, etc.

Loving God comes first!

If all one is doing is neighbor, then they won't be spending eternity with the Lord.

The world loves their neighbor so there's no salvation in that alone...






Yes, ALL people have eternal life because God created man in His image (He never dies and in cease to exist, so niehter does man)

The Word of God is quite clear on this along with many other subjects so those that are truely intelligent have enough common sense to know and understand that God is right. Period.






And people going there shall be consciously tormented for ever and ever in that eternal fire.






I just cannot imagine reading something in God's Word and telling the Lord He is a liar.

Understanding of that escapes me which is a good thing otherwise I probably wouldn't be born again.
Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Malachi 4:1 [SUP][a][/SUP]“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.

Your Isaiah verse had the word carcasses - it is hard to be that and still alive.

I'm not doubting the Lake of Fire but if God isn't a liar then when he told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree they would die and when he tells us that the wages of sin is death I believe him. Only the righteous will live eternally.

According to the verses below we are mortal and won't be immortal until God changes us.

1 Corinthians 15:53-55King James Version (KJV)[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


1 Corinthians 15:
52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 
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Blain, when things like that happen, you are always in the spirit, which means you have an out of body experience. but you feel the end effects when returning back into your body. i have had the same thing happen to me, but it was not hell. hell is real. people that don't believe it ,dont believe Jesus.satan is not in hell, he is here on earth at the moment ,up until he is locked up in the bottomless pit for a thousand years. doing that time his influence will no longer be on the earth. Hell is the first death for the wicked.,the second death is the lake of fire they will be tossed in, along with satan and his angels. it will be like piling up all the trash on earth in one pile and setting it on fire.when the righteous die, that go to paradise where the tree of life is. right into the bosom of Abraham..Abraham is the father of our faith. we have same faith he had.
 

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Just something to consider:

God’s word tells us the world is made of thingsunseen, which describes the atom and it’s subatomic particles. The interestingthing about the atom is that it’s nucleus is composed of like-charged particles,and orbiting that are another set of like-charged particles. The laws ofscience dictate that like charged particles repel each other, indicating thewhole dang thing should just naturally come apart.

But God says that all things are held together by Him(Hebrews 11:3; Col. 1:16). The Lord spoke this creation into existence, puttingit together by His very Word (note the similarity of word/world). We are toldthat at the end of its existence the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12). Consider whathappens when an atom is split - it creates intense heat and fire as the elementis ripped out of existence.

The lake of fire only appears after this creation isde-created. Could it be possible that when God speaks it out of existence, theresulting nuclear meltdown of all created matter that now exists as our earthand heavens will create the lake of fire? Would it seem fitting that those wholove this world more than Him, would be given it in its natural state apartfrom Him?
 

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Just something to consider:

God’s word tells us the world is made of thingsunseen, which describes the atom and it’s subatomic particles. The interestingthing about the atom is that it’s nucleus is composed of like-charged particles,and orbiting that are another set of like-charged particles. The laws ofscience dictate that like charged particles repel each other, indicating thewhole dang thing should just naturally come apart.


But God says that all things are held together by Him(Hebrews 11:3; Col. 1:16). The Lord spoke this creation into existence, puttingit together by His very Word (note the similarity of word/world). We are toldthat at the end of its existence the elements will melt with fervent heat (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12). Consider whathappens when an atom is split - it creates intense heat and fire as the elementis ripped out of existence.

The lake of fire only appears after this creation isde-created. Could it be possible that when God speaks it out of existence, theresulting nuclear meltdown of all created matter that now exists as our earthand heavens will create the lake of fire? Would it seem fitting that those wholove this world more than Him, would be given it in its natural state apartfrom Him?
I think ;you meant thungsten, a very very hard metal. They make wedding bands from it.
 
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Your Isaiah verse had the word carcasses - it is hard to be that and still alive.
The damned will be resurrected physically unto eternal death so they will have their bodies through out eternity just like those that are resurrected unto life.

The saved will have glorified bodies, they will have damned bodies of corruption