Ye olde HELL thread...

[KALYNA18]

"I do not know if the story by Blain is true, but I know that it could be true."

I agree completely with this. often if we dont have an experience our mind tells us its not possible. or if we dont already have an understanding, when we hear it, its " wrong" in our minds. I dont believe blain would make up a lie about things pertaining to God.

I told some true stories here that are could say are supernatural. Of course God's works are always supernatural not natural, if they were natural there would be no questions. People question things with the logical mind, which is good, reasoning, but there isn't always explanations or will you find blueprints of what God does, for it says, "no man knows the mind of God." So his ways are not ours, and he doesn't leave blueprints around;, only his prints on our hearts, to believe it, with an uncircumcised heart. The Lords ways are always unexplainable, how are the planets floating in space. For one.

 

[Rockrz]

Of course God's works are always supernatural not natural

That's not true... God works in the natural in our behalf all the time.

If He didn't we'd all be slaughtered by the devil within minutes so one way He works in the natural is to protect us.

I know He has worked and is working to keep my body well, which is another way He works in the natural...

 

[KALYNA18]

That's not true... God works in the natural in our behalf all the time.

If He didn't we'd all be slaughtered by the devil within minutes so one way He works in the natural is to protect us.

I know He has worked and is working to keep my body well, which is another way He works in the natural...

yes the Lord God works in the natural and supernatural. The natural are his miracles. Who are you quoting.

 

[KALYNA18]

yes the Lord God works in the natural and supernatural. The natural are his miracles. Who are you quoting.

oh
his works are always supernatural miracles in the natural. EAsier to understand. We don't do miracles, God does, and they are manifestaions in the natural. All the time, it is true. Miracles are manifestaions of the supernatural unseen powers of Yahweh, God, that manistest in the natural towards us. So yes it is very true.

 

[Rockrz]

Who are you quoting

Not quoting anyone other than drawing from all the time spent studying God's Word over the past 30+ years.

 

[followjesus]

Ty my friend I do not take the things of God lightly and honestly what would i gain by making up a story like that? People who know me know that I could care less about being in the spotlight in fact I hate it and often times brush off all the things people boast about me and give the credit to God.
So to make up a story like that just goes against my character but I also do understand the skepticism

Just being honest Blain, i understand those things about you or i wouldnt have left that comment, your sincerity pertaining to God isnt in doubt in my mind and heart. God bless and Keep you in all things Jesus !

 

[followjesus]

I told some true stories here that are could say are supernatural. Of course God's works are always supernatural not natural, if they were natural there would be no questions. People question things with the logical mind, which is good, reasoning, but there isn't always explanations or will you find blueprints of what God does, for it says, "no man knows the mind of God." So his ways are not ours, and he doesn't leave blueprints around;, only his prints on our hearts, to believe it, with an uncircumcised heart. The Lords ways are always unexplainable, how are the planets floating in space. For one.

Im one of those "red letter believers" that believes Jesus came to offer that to us, we certainly cant grasp all of Gods future plans but as far as His will for us....

john 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

john 8:26-30 "I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and thatI do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him."

john 14:26 "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
1 corinthians 2:10-13 " But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."


john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

 

[JesusLives]

So what do you do with Bible verses that say the wicked will be no more?

Psalm 37:10Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.

 

[JesusLives]

Isaiah 41:12"You will seek those who quarrel with you, but will not find them, Those who war with you will be as nothing and non-existent.

 

[Issachar92]

So what do you do with Bible verses that say the wicked will be no more?

Psalm 37:10Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; And you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.

Let me tell you what they will do with them verses, this: "Its talking about their physical bodies"

 

[Rockrz]

So what do you do with Bible verses that say the wicked will be no more?

Certainly don't play like they cancel out other scriptures that say people will be tormented in hell forever.

Jesus said that, so is the scripture you are posting proving Jesus is a liar and is ignorant of what's going on???

Certainly not, therefore your scripture is not speaking to annihilationism

 

[valiant]

Certainly don't play like they cancel out other scriptures that say people will be tormented in hell forever.

Which Scripture? I have yet to find one, and I have studied the word for 67 years.

 

[valiant]

I know hell is a real place not just because the scriptures speak of it but I have been there i have personally seen the lake of fire and personally experienced the absolute heat and unquenching thirst. Hell lies in the spiritual realm and people who don't believe it to be real or think that God will after a time of being there make you just disappear or go to heaven tend to think this mainly because they don't want eternal punishment to be true.

Believe me when I went there I saw the souls being tormented by the fires and the pain however there was one man I saw there who I had compassion on, he had accepted his fate and knew he deserved his fate. This was the one person that i truly was sorrowful for and even to this day I ask God to have mercy on this man and if he cannot go home I ask God to at least lessen his suffering.
Believe me I wish I was wrong about eternal suffering I would give anything for it not to be true but just because it fills me with deep sadness and heartache I cannot simply push it aside as false. People think I am insane when i say that I would burn in the very fires of hell itself so that even the most evil and most corrupted people could be saved and they think I am just speaking out of a feeling or emotion when I say how far I am willing to go for the sake of only one such person but if people saw what I did they would understand why I will go that far.

Hell is no joke and when you debate about hell many people are doing so without actual experience of hell which I am really thankful for but when I debate and discuss it because of what I saw and because of the experience my heart is filled with sorrow and mourning but I still do so because the truth is to be taught and discussed and people cannot simply discard the truth because it disagrees with their view and understanding

I do not doubt your sincerity, but I doubt your experience. People see and experience what they believe. You believe the Lake of fire is literal so you 'went ' there and 'felt' it. I believe it to be a spiritual lake of fire prepared for spiritual beings and so not literal. Death and the grave went into it. Therefore what it wrought physically on your body was not real.

 

[Rockrz]

Which Scripture?

Go read thru all the verses I posted at the start of this thread...

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

the Bible warns of the eternity and permanency of hell!

everlasting fire ’ Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment ’ Matthew 25:46
everlasting chains ’ Jude 1:6
eternal damnation ’ Mark 3:29
eternal judgment ’ Hebrews 6:2
eternal fire ’ Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire ’ Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched ’ Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable ’ Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever ’ 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever ’ Jude 1:13

I believe it to be a spiritual lake of fire prepared for spiritual beings and so not literal

Jesus says it's a real place... rejecting His Word may possibly be a good way to find out if it's real er not.

 

[valiant]

Go read thru all the verses I posted at the start of this thread...

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

where is eternal torment for humans in hell mentioned? The Devil was immortal, we are not. The fire is everlasting, we are not.

Mark 9:43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

We are destroyed in Gehenna, not kept alive.

Mark 9:45

And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

the everlasting fire of God's judgment destroys us.

the Bible warns of the eternity and permanency of hell!

But it says nothing about the eternity and permanency of the human soul, Rather the opposite,

everlasting fire ’ Matthew18:8, 25:41 everlasting punishment ’ Matthew 25:46

the first is the means of destruction, the second the fact of destruction.

everlasting chains ’ Jude 1:6

these are angels.

eternal damnation ’ Mark 3:29
eternal judgment ’ Hebrews 6:2

eternal condemnation and eternal judgment are true of those who are destroyed.

eternal fire ’ Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire ’ Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched ’ Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable ’ Luke 3:17

The judgment is eternal. We are not.

mist of darkness is reserved for ever ’ 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever ’ Jude 1:13

the blackness and darkness is sign of final death

So you admit there is no Scripture which speaks of eternal torment?

 

[RickyZ]

I do not doubt your sincerity, but I doubt your experience. People see and experience what they believe. You believe the Lake of fire is literal so you 'went ' there and 'felt' it. I believe it to be a spiritual lake of fire prepared for spiritual beings and so not literal. Death and the grave went into it. Therefore what it wrought physically on your body was not real.

You mean like how people cherry pick scripture to confirm what they believe?

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

 

[Rockrz]

it says nothing about the eternity and permanency of the human soul

What part of "cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched" do you not understand, accusing the Lord of lying in His Word??? If it were possible to cause man to cease to exist, then He would have told us planly and would not have so many warnings about hell cause it would be a moot point.

Since in the Kingdom of God everything produces after it's own kind... This means God will never die or cease to exist... and neither will man.

God says the gifts and callings of God are without repentance (He cannot take them back lest He be found to be a liar...), so when He made man in His own Image... God replicated man when He created man which is the why man does in fact live forever, consciously awake and aware either in hell or in the presence of the Lord.

Rejecting the Word of the Lord is a great way to find out first hand that man does in fact live forever

 

[Blain]

I do not doubt your sincerity, but I doubt your experience. People see and experience what they believe. You believe the Lake of fire is literal so you 'went ' there and 'felt' it. I believe it to be a spiritual lake of fire prepared for spiritual beings and so not literal. Death and the grave went into it. Therefore what it wrought physically on your body was not real.

Well as I said I don't really care or mind if people believe it or not however I think there was a misunderstanding my shirt wasn't glued to my skin when i woke up it was glued to my skin in the experience itself.Although I can certainly understand the skepticism, I heard people talk about such experiences all the time in both heaven and hell and I have a hard time believing such claims if I do not know the person well because sadly these days such wild stories are a common thing, it's very sad to me really how we have to have that wall up of skepticism or else we will easily believe a story that sounds real but is really just a persons imagination

 

[PrynceNY]

where is eternal torment for humans in hell mentioned? The Devil was immortal, we are not. The fire is everlasting, we are not. We are destroyed in Gehenna, not kept alive. the everlasting fire of God's judgment destroys us. But it says nothing about the eternity and permanency of the human soul, Rather the opposite, the first is the means of destruction, the second the fact of destruction. these are angels. eternal condemnation and eternal judgment are true of those who are destroyed. The judgment is eternal. We are not. the blackness and darkness is sign of final death So you admit there is no Scripture which speaks of eternal torment?

Revelation clearly talks about those who worship the beast and receives his mark being tormented day and night forever. Btw annihilationism is false doctrine.

 

[Rockrz]

Btw annihilationism is false doctrine.

Exactly... but, they'll have to find out for their own self, the hard way.