Jesus had a House!

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p_rehbein

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Everything in Scripture disproves your idiotic claim about Christ.

Pretty clear you are just the latest troll to come here to demean, defame, and berate Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:5 - [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Matthew 6:19-21 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: (Read More...)

Luke 12:33-34 - Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. (Read More...)

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The prosperity gospel, one of the terms for the Word of Faith movement, is exploding in popularity across the world. But is its emphasis on Jesus Christ or on self?
Word of Faith promises its followers health, wealth and happiness. Its defenders claim riches should be used for evangelism and church programs. The ministers who preach it, however, can't seem to resist spending donations on themselves, for such things as private jets, Rolls Royces, mansions, and custom-made clothes.

Prosperity Gospel: Christ Centered or Self Centered?


4. Jesus Rejected Materialism

Second only to the religious leaders and hypocrites, Jesus’ strongest rebuke was reserved for those who are rich in this world. It’s a bit frightening.
In keeping with Yahweh’s heart expressed through the Prophets, Jesus carried on the OT tradition of defending the poor and pronouncing woes upon the rich (Prov 14:31; Isa 41:17; Jer 22:6; Ezek 16:49; Lk 4:18).
Listen to the words of Jesus from Luke 6:20-26 (NIV):
“Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.”

“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.”

It appears that the heart of Jesus’ rebuke against the rich is due to the fact that these people have oriented their entire lives around their wealth and status. They don’t own stuff, it owns them. Meanwhile, the poor suffer.
For these folks, money has become an idol—an idol that demands the reforming of all priorities around the accumulation and hoarding of wealth. Money drives them. They are slaves to their god, Mammon!
“You can’t serve both God and money.” Jesus, Matt 6:24 NLT
Consider how a large bank account kept the rich young ruler from following Jesus (Lk 18:18-25). Jesus asked him to sell everything he had and give it to the poor, but the man wasn’t willing or able to do it.
“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of


jesus rejected materialism | The Centrality and Supremacy of ...

You are truly a false teacher, and the day draws nigh when your foolish and false teachings will come back to judge you.
 

p_rehbein

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When the fox preaches, look to your geese. (Quote by - German proverb)


God has given you one face, and you make yourself another. (Quote by - William Shakespeare)


John 8:
44 .) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1 Corinthians 10:24)
Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.


 

Zmouth

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Seeing that Israel was basically an occupied state of Rome, their method of governance does not really allow for private ownership but rather a jurisdiction consisting of land, houses and persons would belong to a noble of Roman aristocracy. While the scriptures don't really clarify what happened to Joseph, the biological father of Jesus, not to be confused with the Holy Ghost who is father of our Soul, but seeing that Joseph was a carpenter then he had probably a modest home on the land he owned till the aristocracy wanted it and you can conjecture the rest of the story, after all it was the hand of God that lifted Jesus up in the wilderness beyond Jordan where he was baptised.
 
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Everything in Scripture disproves your idiotic claim about Christ.
Only those that pick and choose what they believe would say that... so we'll see who the idiot is in the end.

It's always sad to see those that buy the devil's lie that Jesus was a poor, weak man that had to beg others just to get by.

Posting Hebrews 13:5 to accuse Jesus of being covetousness not knowing it was God that met His needs very abundantly and not because Jesus even had to ask cause He did not, neither do I.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Jesus said that... and you call Him a liar! Shameful and despicable!

Just because someone has this world's goods does not mean they are serving money before God and it does not mean they begged God for money like TV preachers are doing. Some folks seek the Lord first... and they work... and the blessings of the Lord start showing up and they are led by the Holy Spirit and deal wisely in all the affairs of life and things go well for them.

Nutjobs such as yourself who are in bed with the accuser of the brethren automatically assume having anything is evil...

Only someone listening to satan would post 1 Timothy 6:10 to accuse Jesus of loving money. Only someone void of understanding would post Matthew 6:24 accusing Jesus of serving money before God.

You are a hypocrite if you have not given all of your stuff away and are now homeless posting message down at the local public library... I doubt you practice what you preach in your belief that Christians should be poor and have nothing.

You reject God's promises concerning those that walk upright and you reject the fact the Jesus walked upright... accusing God's Word of being a lie... shameful and satanic!




Ye are of your father the devil
This is the best way to describe you. Judging others as being in love with money when you don't even know them... only the accuser of the brethren speaks like you do so you really should get someone to cast the devil out of you before it's too late.

I feel sorry for you... but, I just got over it cause I cast all my cares upon the Lord and now I'm carefree and I don't give a fat rats back side what you believe!
 
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Jesus had a House



John 1:38,39

Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

*Jesus cannot lie, right? If He did not have a house He must say "I'm homeless man, I don't have no where to go ya'll... I'm broke to so I hope my welfare check gets here soon!"



Mark 2:15
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in His house...

*He was out of town (touring, on the road with His entourage) when He said He had no where to lay His head.




Some of the disciples, apostles, had houses....

Matthew 8:14

And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark 1:29-33

And forthwith, when they were come out of the synagogue, they entered into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.

But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.
And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
And all the city was gathered together at the door.

Luke 4:38


And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
Jesus had a house at the beginning of His ministry. Of course He did. He had to live somewhere.

Your use of Mark 2:15 is wrong. That was Levi's house. Read more than just one verse

Other than that....Not bad. Is it important? If so...Why?
 

Johnny_B

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#86
They travelled around a lot as well and didn't have cars or planes to zoom back home
each day. So probably did sleep rough or at the homes of others.

Ps the father's house has many mansions.


Some people also think Jesus was poor, but one of his disciples was the treasury.
Bigger question did Jesus actually need money in the first place - not really he could
multiply bread/fish and turn water into wine. I think it was more to do with showing
his disciples he could take care of them - would you follow a skint homeless person!

Psst He still does take take care of his children. I've lost count of the number of times
God has blessed me with work and money, even food when I've had nothing.

Like the time a distant relative turned up to our house with a bag of groceries, he had
no idea we were living off fresh air that week.
What translation is that? or is Jesus lying. Matthew 8:19-20 And a scribe came up and said to him, Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.20 And Jesus said to him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.
 
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Your use of Mark 2:15 is wrong. That was Levi's house.
That's hilarious! Read it again twister boy...

Mark 2:13-15
And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.


It clearly says Jesus saw Levi sitting at what appears to be a customs office... and Jesus said to Levi "follow me" and Levi got up and followed Jesus.... that's key here... Levi was following Jesus where ever Jesus was going and it does NOT say anything about Jesus was going over to Levi's pad. Sorry pal, it does not say that.

The very next verse specifically says Jesus was sitting down for a bite to eat at HIS HOUSE... it no say nothing about the house belonging to Levi... it says "Jesus sat at meat in HIS house"... what part of this is hard for any of you scoffers to understand???

Deuteronomy 28 specifically says "if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments... all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God" and it goes on to list a boat load of blessings such as "Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store" (that's your checking account AND your savings account)... goes on to say "The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses" (that's your bank accounts at other banks)

Of course that was promised to the nation of Israel... was not Jesus part of that being of the tribe of Judah? Yes, He was... and if anybody ever in the history of the world listened to and did God's commandments... it was Jesus!

So, which one of you nutjob scoffers are going to blaspheme the Lord and claim He did not walk upright before God or blaspheme the Father and claim He refused to keep His Word to the Holy One of Israel as He walked this earth keeping the law with absolute perfection???

No, Jesus was not begging for money and I doubt He hardly ever even thought about His own needs... cause He did not have to knowing the Father was meeting His needs abundantly as well as the needs of His ministry. Jesus didn't even have to sell book, cds, or DVDs (you know, copies of His messages on scrolls which was how things were reproduced back in His day by the scribes) asking people to send in their best offering to help Him keep ministering in their area.

Jesus was very popular among the people, excluding the religious people of course, so there were many bringing gifts unto Jesus as He grew in popularity among the people.

Bottom line is, carnal man made false religious teaching by those that read God's Word with a very thick set of religious reading glasses (usually influenced by their denomination who has been compromised by satan) always portray Jesus as a weakling living in poverty, barely getting by which is hogwash and complete bull malarkey when considering what God promised to those that walk upright before Him.

That's the problem... carnal man made false religious teaching does not really go by God's written Word, but by preconceived ideas taught to them by others who've been reading the Bible with a very thick set of religious reading glasses.

You know, the old "grandma taught it and they bought it" syndrome... or "my daddy believed it this way, and by god I'm a gonna believe this way to cause we proud to believers of holy bull malarkey... it's a family tradition ya know"

I challenge any of you scoffers to give away all your stuff and live under a bridge! You can use the computer at the library to post messages and tell us how humble you are being broke for Jesus!

That's what you will do if you truly believe Jesus was dirt poor and you are His disciple cause surely you want to be like Him, right? If not, you are a hypocrite for claiming Jesus was poor and you still have goods and a place to live.

C'mon now... be humble and give all you stuff away and be homeless like you think Jesus was...
 
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That's hilarious! Read it again twister boy...

Mark 2:13-15
And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.
And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.


It clearly says Jesus saw Levi sitting at what appears to be a customs office... and Jesus said to Levi "follow me" and Levi got up and followed Jesus.... that's key here... Levi was following Jesus where ever Jesus was going and it does NOT say anything about Jesus was going over to Levi's pad. Sorry pal, it does not say that.

The very next verse specifically says Jesus was sitting down for a bite to eat at HIS HOUSE... it no say nothing about the house belonging to Levi... it says "Jesus sat at meat in HIS house"... what part of this is hard for any of you scoffers to understand???

Deuteronomy 28 specifically says "if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments... all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God" and it goes on to list a boat load of blessings such as "Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store" (that's your checking account AND your savings account)... goes on to say "The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses" (that's your bank accounts at other banks)

Of course that was promised to the nation of Israel... was not Jesus part of that being of the tribe of Judah? Yes, He was... and if anybody ever in the history of the world listened to and did God's commandments... it was Jesus!

So, which one of you nutjob scoffers are going to blaspheme the Lord and claim He did not walk upright before God or blaspheme the Father and claim He refused to keep His Word to the Holy One of Israel as He walked this earth keeping the law with absolute perfection???

No, Jesus was not begging for money and I doubt He hardly ever even thought about His own needs... cause He did not have to knowing the Father was meeting His needs abundantly as well as the needs of His ministry. Jesus didn't even have to sell book, cds, or DVDs (you know, copies of His messages on scrolls which was how things were reproduced back in His day by the scribes) asking people to send in their best offering to help Him keep ministering in their area.

Jesus was very popular among the people, excluding the religious people of course, so there were many bringing gifts unto Jesus as He grew in popularity among the people.

Bottom line is, carnal man made false religious teaching by those that read God's Word with a very thick set of religious reading glasses (usually influenced by their denomination who has been compromised by satan) always portray Jesus as a weakling living in poverty, barely getting by which is hogwash and complete bull malarkey when considering what God promised to those that walk upright before Him.

That's the problem... carnal man made false religious teaching does not really go by God's written Word, but by preconceived ideas taught to them by others who've been reading the Bible with a very thick set of religious reading glasses.

You know, the old "grandma taught it and they bought it" syndrome... or "my daddy believed it this way, and by god I'm a gonna believe this way to cause we proud to believers of holy bull malarkey... it's a family tradition ya know"

I challenge any of you scoffers to give away all your stuff and live under a bridge! You can use the computer at the library to post messages and tell us how humble you are being broke for Jesus!

That's what you will do if you truly believe Jesus was dirt poor and you are His disciple cause surely you want to be like Him, right? If not, you are a hypocrite for claiming Jesus was poor and you still have goods and a place to live.

C'mon now... be humble and give all you stuff away and be homeless like you think Jesus was...
You need a version of the Bible that doesn't have Winnie the Pooh on it.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Yeshua went out again by the lake. All the crowd came to him, and he began teaching them. [SUP]14 [/SUP]As he passed on from there, he saw Levi Ben-Halfai sitting in his tax-collection booth and said to him, “Follow me!” And he got up and followed him.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]As Yeshua was in Levi’s house eating, many tax-collectors and sinners were sitting with Yeshua and his talmidim, for there were many of them among his followers. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When the Torah-teachers and the P’rushim saw that he was eating with sinners and tax-collectors, they said to his talmidim, “Why does he eat with tax-collectors and sinners?” [SUP]17 [/SUP]But, hearing the question, Yeshua answered them, “The ones who need a doctor aren’t the healthy but the sick. I didn’t come to call the ‘righteous’ but sinners!”
 
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#89
Jesus had a House



John 1:38,39

Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

*Jesus cannot lie, right? If He did not have a house He must say "I'm homeless man, I don't have no where to go ya'll... I'm broke to so I hope my welfare check gets here soon!"



Mark 2:15
And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in His house...

*He was out of town (touring, on the road with His entourage) when He said He had no where to lay His head.




Some of the disciples, apostles, had houses....

Matthew 8:14

And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark 1:29-33

And forthwith, when they were come out of the synagogue, they entered into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John.

But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them.
And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.
And all the city was gathered together at the door.

Luke 4:38


And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.

its not that money is bad, its greed thats evil. if we have plenty, were commanded to share it with the needy, even in pauls epistles its an important principle. its when we arent generous that it becomes wrong. if our 3rd vehicle is more important than the poor among us, to us, theres a change that needs be made. were to give according to what we have. the Love of money should never be more than the Love of the poor. if were not willing to be generous then prosperity isnt working.

The truth is that the more freely we give to the needs of those who cant pay us back, the more abundantly we prosper. God puts money in the hands of those who use it for His purposes, and since the beginning His concern for the poor is important to Him. having alot doesnt condemn, refusing to give accordingly is in deirect refusal of a continuous principle from ot, to Jesus, to paul and the apostles.

its funny to me that we are saying here that Jesus was some what "well off" at least, because if that were true why were the women supporting His ministry out of thier own means rather than Jesus supplying the costs? certainly He wasnt keeping His money in order to let others support His work

Luke 8:2-3 "And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance."

Jesus could have cared less about money, he wouldnt have needed it to eat, drink or anything else, and a carpenter lol may have built His own House as well. Just because Joseph and mary had a house doesnt make Jesus a rich man. carpentry was a decent trade, but to me it seems Jesus would have given His money to the poor before His ministry since He was telling us so much about ministering to the needs of others out of our substance. Greed gets ALOT of Christians off track and also changes thier doctrine alot.

Having alot, doesnt make a difference, its what we do woth what we are given Little or much. i think of the early church where the spirit was new and fresh when some had need, others provided, they had zero Love for Money but rather for one another. except for ananias ans sapphira who held back part of thiers and lied to Peter about how much they had....both fell dead at His feet instantly. Greed got them..... but the church, money is only a means to provide for needs, our luxeries should never mean more than our brothers need.
 

p_rehbein

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this guy belittling Christ is nothing more than a troll attempting to justify his desire for earthly wealth.....


Isaiah
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1 .) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 .) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 .) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 .) Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 .) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 .) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 .) He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 .) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 .) And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 .) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 .) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 .) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 

p_rehbein

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#91
There is an excellent Article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution which shows the things this troll is saying to prove Jesus was wealthy and what not, and then shows how dumb that belief is direct from the Bible.

IF ANYONE

has any doubt about this, please take the time to read the Article.


Was Jesus Rich or Poor? | Dr. Claude Mariottini – Professor of...


(conclusion)

The desire to prove that Jesus was rich is just an effort to justify a gospel of wealth and prosperity: If Jesus was rich then he desires his followers also to be rich.

Many years ago, one of my seminary professors said in class that Jesus was rich, or at least he was someone who belonged to the middle class. The reason for his view was that only someone who is rich or middle class could care and fight for the poor.


The idea that only the rich can liberate the poor and oppressed people represents an idealistic view that oppressed people are incapable of rising up to liberate themselves and others. A quick review of acts of liberation in history, I believe, will prove this theory wrong.

I think the text speaks for itself: Although Jesus was not destitute, he did not belong to the rich class of people who lived in Israelite society of the First Century A.D.

Claude Mariottini
Professor of Old Testament
Northern Baptist Seminary

 
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There is an excellent Article from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution which shows the things this troll is saying to prove Jesus was wealthy and what not, and then shows how dumb that belief is direct from the Bible.

IF ANYONE

has any doubt about this, please take the time to read the Article.


Was Jesus Rich or Poor? | Dr. Claude Mariottini – Professor of...


(conclusion)

The desire to prove that Jesus was rich is just an effort to justify a gospel of wealth and prosperity: If Jesus was rich then he desires his followers also to be rich.

Many years ago, one of my seminary professors said in class that Jesus was rich, or at least he was someone who belonged to the middle class. The reason for his view was that only someone who is rich or middle class could care and fight for the poor.


The idea that only the rich can liberate the poor and oppressed people represents an idealistic view that oppressed people are incapable of rising up to liberate themselves and others. A quick review of acts of liberation in history, I believe, will prove this theory wrong.

I think the text speaks for itself: Although Jesus was not destitute, he did not belong to the rich class of people who lived in Israelite society of the First Century A.D.

Claude Mariottini
Professor of Old Testament
Northern Baptist Seminary

I'm not going to argue this point.... Just read the bible for yourself and stop letting others do it for you. The bible is full of what you call prosperity teaching....Give it an honest read and stop cherry picking...Now go back to sleep.