What works must i do to know that my soul will carry on recieving salvation....
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while works may be EVIDENCE of, they are not the of
we cannot work to be saved, we cannot work to stay saved and whatcha gonna build to fly up to heaven?
can you bring yourself up to heaven?
if you answered no, then understand you cannot save or stay saved with your works either
it seems to me to be a far more impossible thing to think I shall live after death on this earth, then it is to think God sustains me while I am alive on this earth and His Spirit directs me as the 'works' which, if not of God, are just the flesh doing its thing anyway
I honestly cannot understand why some people think they have ANYTHING to do with their salvation since Jesus said it was finished
they get it all mixed up with the law, obedience, love and whatever and it never makes any sense
the simple understanding is still the right one
we cannot work to be saved, we cannot work to stay saved and whatcha gonna build to fly up to heaven?
can you bring yourself up to heaven?
if you answered no, then understand you cannot save or stay saved with your works either
it seems to me to be a far more impossible thing to think I shall live after death on this earth, then it is to think God sustains me while I am alive on this earth and His Spirit directs me as the 'works' which, if not of God, are just the flesh doing its thing anyway
I honestly cannot understand why some people think they have ANYTHING to do with their salvation since Jesus said it was finished
they get it all mixed up with the law, obedience, love and whatever and it never makes any sense
the simple understanding is still the right one
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The Bible states that we have been saved (aorist) once for all from the guilt and penalty of sin when we initially respond to His gracious working. We are thus now saved (perfect tense) and thus our final salvation is guaranteed,. God does not half save us.
We are as a result being saved (present tense) from the power and pollution of sin as a process.
We can thus look forward to the certainty of our final deliverance from ALL sin as a consequence.
In other words God Almighty pulls us out of the 'water' of sin, proceeds thereafter to cleanse us, and then presents us perfect before Him. He never lets us fall back into the water.
Our 'hope' of salvation is a CERTAIN hope, guaranteed to us when we were first 'saved'..
No it is a confident certainty. It does not CONTRIBUTE to our salvation
We are as a result being saved (present tense) from the power and pollution of sin as a process.
We can thus look forward to the certainty of our final deliverance from ALL sin as a consequence.
In other words God Almighty pulls us out of the 'water' of sin, proceeds thereafter to cleanse us, and then presents us perfect before Him. He never lets us fall back into the water.
Our 'hope' of salvation is a CERTAIN hope, guaranteed to us when we were first 'saved'..
No it is a confident certainty. It does not CONTRIBUTE to our salvation
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I guess the question always comes down to, what does free will mean in the creation of humanity. We know just hearing Gods word doesn't 100% make people have faith.
So we must ask ourselves is the free will choice to surrender to God a work or Gods controlling the choice in some way, or the surrender is a action apon acknowledgment of how utterly hopeless we are without Christ, is that a good work or another name?
If its number two then we will be heading down the unconditional election path.
So we must ask ourselves is the free will choice to surrender to God a work or Gods controlling the choice in some way, or the surrender is a action apon acknowledgment of how utterly hopeless we are without Christ, is that a good work or another name?
If its number two then we will be heading down the unconditional election path.
Poor God. Would He not know otherwise?
By this WE KNOW. But God knew from the beginning.
This is how WE know. God knew all the time.
Do you never do bad works.?
This is perfectly true. But God knows from the beginning.
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Bible time..
1 john 5:2...
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves the one born of Him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome
1 john 5:2...
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves the one born of Him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God: when we love God and keep His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome
This is how WE know. God knew all the time.
Do you never do bad works.?
This is perfectly true. But God knows from the beginning.
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Where does the Bible mention free will? We lost free will in Adam.
Of our own free will we will never turn to God. We are DEAD in sin (Eph 2.1-3)
He works faith within us
It is not a good work. It is an acknowledgement that we need His good work resulting from His making our need known..
and thank God for it. Otherwise we would be ever walking in darkness.
Of our own free will we will never turn to God. We are DEAD in sin (Eph 2.1-3)
He works faith within us
It is not a good work. It is an acknowledgement that we need His good work resulting from His making our need known..
and thank God for it. Otherwise we would be ever walking in darkness.
This quote is very true Jesus died already for all sins and once we have faith this forever holds true for all who remain in Christ. Christ died in a once and for all atonement and cannot be recrucified. Thus its largely important to be their for your fellow church members when doubts, lies, false belief are being made evident.
Satin can help make people believe God was not the original loving God that they believed. Doubts on why does evil exist, babies born sick or get terminal illnesses, world hunger, God elects who goes to heaven or hell, why does it seem good people get it worse than bad, Christians have also fell into homosexuality as being born that way. The lies that pull Christians away are endless.
We always must remain on guard by prayer, scripture(renewing of mind), and Spirit.
I am in internal conflict over this question.
If faith, believing Christ is a work, then works obtain salvation, establish it.
Now to rebel against God is sin, and to not do a good work we know we should do is
sin, so therefore, if not doing these things causes sin, which leads to loosing our faith,
then works maintain our salvation.
But the language is dangerous because it gets confused with the scales of justice,
balancing evil with good, and get more good you go to heaven, get more bad you go
to hell.
Works are the life blood or expression of the love within us. It is like we cannot but
do these things, they call out to us and push us on.
Works are the things that testify to the reality within, to the love at work in our hearts
that bring glory to the Lords name.
Gods justice.
When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.
Ezek 3:18
We are accountable to the Lord for all we do.
Good works are what we are in the Lord. To rebel against them is to rebel against the
Lords work in our hearts.
If faith, believing Christ is a work, then works obtain salvation, establish it.
Now to rebel against God is sin, and to not do a good work we know we should do is
sin, so therefore, if not doing these things causes sin, which leads to loosing our faith,
then works maintain our salvation.
But the language is dangerous because it gets confused with the scales of justice,
balancing evil with good, and get more good you go to heaven, get more bad you go
to hell.
Works are the life blood or expression of the love within us. It is like we cannot but
do these things, they call out to us and push us on.
Works are the things that testify to the reality within, to the love at work in our hearts
that bring glory to the Lords name.
Gods justice.
When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.
Ezek 3:18
We are accountable to the Lord for all we do.
Good works are what we are in the Lord. To rebel against them is to rebel against the
Lords work in our hearts.
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Matthew 25:42-4642 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
feeding and clothing people are works are they not?
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The lost will not do this..
They do not go to hell because they did not do those things, they go to hell because the commited the unpardonable sin of rejection of Christ.
I am glad you people think you are so Holy, I am saddened you people think your holiness will grant you entrance into heaven.
Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord, Have we not don all these mighty works.
Jesus will say, Depart I NEVER KNEW YOU.
They do not go to hell because they did not do those things, they go to hell because the commited the unpardonable sin of rejection of Christ.
I am glad you people think you are so Holy, I am saddened you people think your holiness will grant you entrance into heaven.
Many will say to me in that day Lord Lord, Have we not don all these mighty works.
Jesus will say, Depart I NEVER KNEW YOU.
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Yes.. Why?
Because as I said the lost will not do those things.
As jesus said, they are condemned because they did not believe (john 3) they did not obey, because of unbelief. But they are condemned because they did not believe, not because they did not do those deeds.
No one is teaching against works, We are attacking dead works.. which will never save anyone.
Again Lord Lord.. Those people did works, mighty works it appears if they did cast out demons..
But jesus said he NEVER KNEW THEM, they were dead works..