How is your ancient Hebrew?

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Any ancient Hebrew scholars in the house? I've got a question about Psalm 119. Yes, I know it's an acrostic for the Hebrew alphabet. But what does it mean?

I've come to this in a 20th century American mindset. (Sorry. My mind was set in the last century, not this one. lol) In an American acrostic, the letters can be just to spell a word, to spell a word that adds to the poem, or, if we're using the alphabet in order, then it can mean just that (fun with letters) or it can be like an outline:
A.
B.
C.
D.

But that's all this American understands about acrostics. Yet I also know Hebrew numbers can mean words too. (6 means imperfect, incomplete, and/or Man. 7 means perfect, complete, and/or God.) So, do Hebrew letters have their own meanings along with just being a letter? Or is the writer just being creative?

(Six different commentators at my disposal in eSword, and none went into that aspect of this Psalm. I get this feeling they saw Psalm 119 as the longest Psalm, so treated it like a really long term paper. Getting the meat, but dumping the juice. lol)
 
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My ancient Hebrew is as good as my modern Hebrew....Shalom!

( But like the rest of the people - I can quote from books of people's view of what the ancient Hebrew is ...:))

I have heard that numbers do relate to some things - like 5 = grace, 40 = testing.

Also I do know that the Hebrew letters also have pictures too which I have seen some teachers of the word show Christ and His work in them.
 
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If it helps Hebrew is ancient translation for male tea bag.


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JaumeJ

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I have been blessed to learn enough Hebrew (Biblical) to read the Tanakh and New testament minus a couple of epistles in the language.

Unless the Holy Spirit teaches the Word, it is not spiritual or living, so discussing how the aleph bet is used for the writing ofPsalm 119 is moot. I know it spans aleph through tav inclusive and that Jesus Christ is the aleph and the tav. Could this be saying Psalm 119 embodies Jesus Christ? Who know? For now the Holy Spirit has not felt it necessary to expand on that theme, but I do know Jesus Christ,our High Priest...

God bless all in Jesus Christ.....
 

JaumeJ

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Read Psalm 119 replacing the word, WORD, with our Savior's name. Actually this could be done throughout the OT.

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet. Jesus is a lamp uno my feet.......... It is not addig to or taking away from the Word, since Jesus Christ is the Word, amen.
 

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Any ancient Hebrew scholars in the house? I've got a question about Psalm 119. Yes, I know it's an acrostic for the Hebrew alphabet. But what does it mean?

I've come to this in a 20th century American mindset. (Sorry. My mind was set in the last century, not this one. lol) In an American acrostic, the letters can be just to spell a word, to spell a word that adds to the poem, or, if we're using the alphabet in order, then it can mean just that (fun with letters) or it can be like an outline:
A.
B.
C.
D.

But that's all this American understands about acrostics. Yet I also know Hebrew numbers can mean words too. (6 means imperfect, incomplete, and/or Man. 7 means perfect, complete, and/or God.) So, do Hebrew letters have their own meanings along with just being a letter? Or is the writer just being creative?

(Six different commentators at my disposal in eSword, and none went into that aspect of this Psalm. I get this feeling they saw Psalm 119 as the longest Psalm, so treated it like a really long term paper. Getting the meat, but dumping the juice. lol)

Yeah they have their own meanings too. Back when I was studying Hebrew several years ago I came across a site that I bookmarked for it's pictograms.

Hebrew Pictograms


This next page shows the evolution of the consonants from pictographs (just click into each letter to open its page and then scroll down to see the change).

The Hebrew Alphabet


Disclaimer: I've never read through this site's articles to know where it stands on any Christian doctrine. I also do not support any "kabbalah" jive. I've strictly shared this for the Hebrew.
 

stonesoffire

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Ancient Hebrew Thought
The definition of a word is going to be directly related to the culture in which that word is being used. One word may have different meanings depending on the culture that is using it. In order to place the correct context to a Hebrew word from the Ancient Hebrew language one must first understand Ancient Hebrew thought.


Abstract and Concrete
Greek thought views the world through the mind (abstract thought). Ancient Hebrew thought views the world through the senses (concrete thought).


Concrete thought is the expression of concepts and ideas in ways that can be seen, touched, smelled, tasted or heard. All five of the senses are used when speaking, hearing, writing and reading the Hebrew language. An example of this can be found in Psalms 1:3; "He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season, and whose leaf does not wither". In this passage the author expresses his thoughts in concrete terms such as; tree, streams of water, fruit and leaf.
Abstract thought is the expression of concepts and ideas in ways that cannot be seen, touched, smelled, tasted or heard. Examples of Abstract thought can be found in Psalms 103:8; "The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger, abounding in love". The words compassion, grace, anger and love are all abstract words, ideas that cannot be experienced by the senses. Why do we find these abstract words in a passage of concrete thinking Hebrews? Actually, these are abstract English words used to translate the original Hebrew concrete words. The translators often translate this way because the original Hebrew makes no sense when literally translated into English.


Let us take one of the above abstract words to demonstrate the translation from a concrete Hebrew word to an abstract English word. Anger, an abstract word, is actually the Hebrew word  (aph) which literally means "nose", a concrete word. When one is very angry, he begins to breathe hard and the nostrils begin to flare. A Hebrew sees anger as "the flaring of the nose (nostrils)". If the translator literally translated the above passage "slow to nose", the English reader would not understand.


Appearance and Functional Descriptions


Greek thought describes objects in relation to its appearance. Hebrew thought describes objects in relation to its function.
A Greek description of a common pencil would be; "it is yellow and about eight inches long". A Hebrew description of the pencil would be related to its function such as "I write words with it". Notice that the Hebrew description uses the verb "write" while the Greek description uses the adjectives "yellow" and "long". Because of Hebrew`s form of functional descriptions, verbs are used much more frequently then adjectives.


To our Greek way of thinking a deer and an oak are two very different objects and we would never describe them in the same way. The Hebrew word for both of these objects is  (ayil) because the functional description of these two objects are identical to the Ancient Hebrews, therefore, the same Hebrew word is used for both.


The Hebraic definition of  is "a strong leader". A deer stag is one of the most powerful animals of the forest and is seen as "a strong leader" among the other animals of the forest. The wood of the oak tree is very hard compared to other trees and is seen as a "strong leader" among the trees of the forest.


Notice the two different translations of the Hebrew word  in Psalms 29:9. The NASB and KJV translates it as "The voice of the LORD makes the deer to calve" while the NIV translates it as "The voice of the LORD twists the oaks". The literal translation of this verse in Hebrew thought would be; "The voice of the LORD makes the strong leaders turn ".


When translating the Hebrew into English, the Greek thinking translator will give a Greek description to this word for the Greek thinking reader, which is why we have two different ways of translating this verse. This same word "ayil" is also translated as a "ruler" (a strong leader of men) in 2 Kings 24.15.


Ancient Hebrew will use different Hebrew words for the same thing depending upon its function at the time. For example an ox may be identified as an  (aluph) when referring to a lead ox, a  (shor) when referring to a plow ox,  (baqar) when referring to an ox of the field or  (par) when referring to an ox of the threshing floor.


Static and Dynamic
In our Modern western language verbs express action (dynamic) while nouns express inanimate (static) objects. In Hebrew all things are in motion (dynamic) including verbs and nouns. In Hebrew sentences the verbs identify the action of an object while nouns identify an object of action. The verb  (malak) is "the reign of the king" while the noun  (melek) is the "the king who reigns". A mountain top is not a static object but the "head lifting up out of the hill". A good example of action in what appears to be a static passage is the command to "have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3). In Hebrew thought this passage is saying "not to bring another one of power in front of my face".


Ancient Hebrew...you mean hieroglyphics? lol

Have fun.

 

Blain

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Oh man i wish i had the mind capacity and ability to learn and study ancient Hebrew, Can you imagine how much the word of God would just open up reading it in their native languages of Hebrew and Greek?
 

stonesoffire

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Blain they don't speak or write in ancient Hebrew now.
 

Blain

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Blain they don't speak or write in ancient Hebrew now.
Yes I am aware nowadays they don't but the bible was originally written in Hebrew and greek and the language of the original descent has much more profound meaning and purpose in their words compared to the english translation however I am unable to learn a new language my mind simply cannot handle it
 
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I have been blessed to learn enough Hebrew (Biblical) to read the Tanakh and New testament minus a couple of epistles in the language.

Unless the Holy Spirit teaches the Word, it is not spiritual or living, so discussing how the aleph bet is used for the writing ofPsalm 119 is moot. I know it spans aleph through tav inclusive and that Jesus Christ is the aleph and the tav. Could this be saying Psalm 119 embodies Jesus Christ? Who know? For now the Holy Spirit has not felt it necessary to expand on that theme, but I do know Jesus Christ,our High Priest...

God bless all in Jesus Christ.....
Oh, I'm really not into that mystifying, codifying, numerology, whatever. I just figure if aleph also meant "blessed," "blameless" or "shameless," it adds to the first part. Or just learning even the Hebrews did outline format way back when. Something like that.


 
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I thought it is a verb for when a man makes a cup of tea?
Only when Jane talks to Tarzan.

Tarzan: Jane brew.

Jane: No. Hebrews! Jane drinks. lol
 
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Yeah they have their own meanings too. Back when I was studying Hebrew several years ago I came across a site that I bookmarked for it's pictograms.

Hebrew Pictograms


This next page shows the evolution of the consonants from pictographs (just click into each letter to open its page and then scroll down to see the change).

The Hebrew Alphabet


Disclaimer: I've never read through this site's articles to know where it stands on any Christian doctrine. I also do not support any "kabbalah" jive. I've strictly shared this for the Hebrew.
Nuts! And I was going to call you on the kabbalah jive, but, alas, I only have a very vague notion what it is. (Sum total of all I know: Madonna was involved in it, and it's kind of Jewish, but not really.) So, I don't know enough to call you on it. Sorry.
 
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It's somewhere between I don't like change, and I really hate figuring out how to download big programs plus they take so long, but hubby suggested I update a while ago. I'm just so comfortable with what I have. I'll probably chance it right before the update next time. lol
 
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Oh man i wish i had the mind capacity and ability to learn and study ancient Hebrew, Can you imagine how much the word of God would just open up reading it in their native languages of Hebrew and Greek?
The mind was made to retain new info at astonishing rates between birth and 7. Then it takes a bit of a step down between 7 and 12. Another step down between 12-18. BUT you are still within the age that you can learn new language. You probably don't want to be in a classroom full of first graders, because they're so much faster, but you have that ability anyway. The only thing you need is the determination to go for it. After 30, memorizing anything is harder. Do it while it's easier.