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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Then why were ppl in HIS church getting drunk in the 'spirit'?

    Your defense of him is not at all surprising, btw.
    It is defending the wolves in the sheepfold. "Don't worry, sheep, they just have differing opinions and want to fleece you. And I approve this message."

    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, 2 Peter 2:1

    And this is what Bill Johnson did, he brought the Toronto Blasphemy to Bethel Church and split the church. The sheep left, and the goats appeared.
    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    They still push un-Christian mysticism. Sons of Thunder

    Bethel Church is still eat up with false gospel and bizarre "manifestations" as well.
    I find it interesting that heresy to some has an "expiration date". "That happened in 2010." lolzzz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Then why were ppl in HIS church getting drunk in the 'spirit'?

    Your defense of him is not at all surprising, btw.
    Well all I can say is that I spent a month in Bethel Church last year there and never once saw anyone drunk like you are taking about. I saw a bunch of Christ loving believers that loved God and other people with all their heart.

    I saw them take up an offering for a church in their own community that maliciously lied and slandered this whole church. This church was going to have to shut down but the leadership of which Bill Johnson is a part of took up an offering to stop the financial ruin of the very ones that were maliciously slandering them.

    That is Christ-likeness in action. You are free to judge them however you want with your own personal knowledge of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    Well all I can say is that I spent a month in Bethel Church last year there and never once saw anyone drunk like you are taking about. I saw a bunch of Christ loving believers that loved God and other people with all their heart.

    I saw them take up an offering for a church in their own community that maliciously lied and slandered this whole church. This church was going to have to shut down but the leadership of which Bill Johnson is a part of took up an offering to stop the financial ruin of the very ones that were maliciously slandering them.

    That is Christ-likeness in action. You are free to judge them however you want with your own personal knowledge of them.

    I am about 3 hours from this church I too have never seen anything like this . But I do know that the video does have many location other than the one in Redding California. That being said what the video does show is not right
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Soooo...you are unable to discern "smoking marijuana in the Spirit" as blasphemous? WOW!
    if you weren't so judgmental and could have given one the benefit of the doubt as to not seeing what the person had seen and wanting to get confirmation. This is why one should be slow to speak and fast to listen.
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    Let's go on a trip to heaven!

    People are offended that God is God.

    Oh, my brethren! bold-hearted men are always called mean-spirited by cowards. - Charles Spurgeon

    I threw out the writings of Moses because he killed that Egyptian guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS1 View Post
    if you weren't so judgmental and could have given one the benefit of the doubt as to not seeing what the person had seen and wanting to get confirmation. This is why one should be slow to speak and fast to listen.
    If you practiced the same you'd see I've apologized already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Thank God you're on track here, I feared your prior questioning. My apologies.
    I am glad I meet your approval I would not be able to sleep at night knowing I did not....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS1 View Post
    I am about 3 hours from this church I too have never seen anything like this . But I do know that the video does have many location other than the one in Redding California. That being said what the video does show is not right
    There are always people doing things in the flesh especially if they are young believers. A lot of things are people just doing things in their own flesh. But sometimes there are some legitimate things of the Spirit too.

    I can just image what would happen to Jesus if He was here now on the earth. There would be videos saying : "Local preacher spits in the eye of a blind man". God wouldn't act like this. God is a God of order. This is blasphemy.

    There are always 2 sides to every coin.

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    Speaking of 2 sides of the coin. Here is Dr. Michael Brown speaking about John McArthur's take on the things of the Spirit and his "strange fire" beliefs.

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    I am glad I meet your approval I would not be able to sleep at night knowing I did not....
    Me too! I am happy for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    There are always people doing things in the flesh especially if they are young believers. A lot of things are people just doing things in their own flesh. But sometimes there are some legitimate things of the Spirit too.

    I can just image what would happen to Jesus if He was here now on the earth. There would be videos saying : "Local preacher spits in the eye of a blind man". God wouldn't act like this. God is a God of order. This is blasphemy.

    There are always 2 sides to every coin.
    Comparing any of this stuff to Jesus' miracles by the Holy Spirit is folly. Falling on the ground and seizing is nothing compared miraculous instantaneous healing of life-long incurable disorders, diseases, or maladies.
    Look now to our adversaries (I mean the priesthood, at whose beck and pleasure others
    ply their enmity against us), and consider with me for a little by what zeal they are actuated.
    The true religion which is delivered in the Scriptures, and which all ought to hold, they
    readily permit both themselves and others to be ignorant of, to neglect and despise;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    There are always people doing things in the flesh especially if they are young believers. A lot of things are people just doing things in their own flesh. But sometimes there are some legitimate things of the Spirit too.

    I can just image what would happen to Jesus if He was here now on the earth. There would be videos saying : "Local preacher spits in the eye of a blind man". God wouldn't act like this. God is a God of order. This is blasphemy.

    There are always 2 sides to every coin.
    yes but the context of the video is disturbing and I do since offensiveness to suggesting smoking the Holy Spirit. That was wrong brother. we have to call them out on that stuff. I have seen mighty moves of the Holy Spirit and Never anything like that . My Pastor a Pentecostal Pastor too would tell them to stop. and would ask them to leave now. 1 cor 14:40

    40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
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    Comparing any of this stuff to Jesus' miracles by the Holy Spirit is folly. Falling on the ground and seizing is nothing compared miraculous instantaneous healing of life-long incurable disorders, diseases, or maladies.
    The excuses people make are remarkable... It's all about compromise, except for those who hold to sound doctrine and point out errors? They're not to be tolerated. In fact, in these videos they are rebuked by these blasphemers as "religious pharisees".
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Me too! I am happy for you!

    please don't be , thank you
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    Let's go on a trip to heaven!

    You pray with your head? Srsly? That's scary. You pray with your heart. And you have hooks?

    Even if Johnson left the weed smokin' spirit thingy, he has other foolish beliefs that need dealt with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS1 View Post
    please don't be , thank you
    Don't like hold a grudge or anything.
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    Let's go on a trip to heaven!

    If you feel wind, that's an angel? How much you wanna bet someone turned the AC up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    You pray with your head? Srsly? That's scary. You pray with your heart. And you have hooks?
    Yes, those darn hooks! And you bring up living water from your belly. I think he said when you do that "Don't use your head" which is always the desire of those to whom they are preaching heresy.

    Even if Johnson left the weed smokin' spirit thingy, he has other foolish beliefs that need dealt with.
    He's a theological train wreck. But some went to his "church" and the people there are the best "believers" in all the world, so it's "all good".
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Let's go on a trip to heaven!

    The kingdom is within all from conception? That's blasphemy.
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