Seducing spirits and doctrines of demons?

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1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

This is specifically speaking of the new age movement,that have an interpretation of the Bible based on the occult,and harnessing the power of nature for spiritual evolution.

When they get in to contact with their guiding spirit,it is an evil spirit,although the ones considered white magic do not realize it is an evil spirit,and some have left after they found out they were not following the Jesus of the Bible,by realizing He is Lord and Savior,where the new age believes He is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher,and ascended Master,and Avatar.

They command to abstain from meats for they are nature worshippers,and will forbid to marry for they want population reduction.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

They will unify the religions with an interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and it will be a universal law to be a vegetarian,and a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction,and will be the time the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible,but hear it according to the format of the new age movement.

The unified religious system will pave the way for the beast kingdom,and the man of sin will promote the new age movement for three and one half years,and then claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature.

The esoteric meaning of Lucifer.

[FONT=&quot]There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, [/FONT]lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

This is from Alice Bailey,who was married to a Freemason,who is the biggest prophet of the new age movement,so this is from the horses mouth,and Lucistrust.org promotes her books that she wrote,that has been around before the internet.

This is her take on Lucifer,that he is the helper of this world,and not the bad guy as the Bible portrays him,and when the nations agree to become one in an effort to achieve peace on earth,then he will help mankind.

The new age movement will come to power,and international laws established put forth by them,and the standard format of the unified religious system,and the man of sin will promote the new age movement before he claims to be God.

They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for Lucifer,which the man of sin will be the embodiment of Lucifer,and they believe he will restore all the hidden mysteries of the past,and they can get back the occult powers that mankind used to have years ago.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up(man of sin,the beast).
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(gets his power from Satan): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand(witchcraft); and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many(promoted peace in an effort to unite the world,but then went against many with the world's power on his side): he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces(the power of nature as his God,spiritual evolution through nature): and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.




2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All that do not love God will worship the beast,and worship the dragon that gave power unto the beast.

They are intentionally setting up a kingdom for Lucifer.

But the video displayed,and all the antics they do,displaying the Holy Spirit wrongfully,and operations the Spirit would not be involved in,is a stepping stone to the new age movement being accepted,and becoming popular,as people start incorporating more self in to the picture,and more nature in to the picture.
 

Marano

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Seriously?! Pentecostal?? Ok I give up.I cant understand anything :(
I believe the gifts of the holy spirit are still for today, but not the way it's done in the video, of course pentecostal is just a word to say I believe in manifestation of the holy spirit today and I said so on your thread.
 
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Any person who defends the teachings in the OP video needs to be marked as one who walks contrary to true doctrine as per Scripture.

All false teachers and their proponents know how to twist Scripture and deceive those who are not sound in the faith. They come as wolves in sheep's clothing, talking of love, unity, tolerance and acceptance.

This is only one way I know someone is a false teacher; they try super hard to appear as a sheep and convince others of their love and unity is one way of doing it.
 
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Desertsrose

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I'm not walking on eggshells for you or anyone else and won't be bullied. I've apologized once and that is enough. You say you don't hold grudges, then offer a verse to call me ignorant. Remarkable.

You do realize you're speaking to a moderator, don't you? He deserves respect, not just because he's a moderator, but because he's a fellow human being and a fellow Christian....but also especially because he's a moderator and can boot you out of here.
 
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You do realize you're speaking to a moderator, don't you? He deserves respect, not just because he's a moderator, but because he's a fellow human being and a fellow Christian....but also especially because he's a moderator and can boot you out of here.
But does he, as a moderator, have the right to abuse it? He called p4t ignorant, in a roundabout way, and then said he was moving on. That's demeaning, belittling, insulting him. And by saying he's moving on, if p4t defends himself, he can say, 'hey, I said I was moving on, and you chose to keep it going.' To use a favorite word of p4t, that's rather callow.
 
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You do realize you're speaking to a moderator, don't you? He deserves respect, not just because he's a moderator, but because he's a fellow human being and a fellow Christian....but also especially because he's a moderator and can boot you out of here.

You do realize you're talking to a brother and a human, don't you?

Of course I realized that. Did he offer me respect? No. He name called then bullied.

Are you supporting the bullying and name calling he offered, or are you just being opportunistic and trying to stir the pot?

Do you have anything to offer to the OP or is there some other objective you're trying to accomplish?
 
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Or are the things taking place in this video with Bill Johnson, Todd Bentley and others of their ilk "of God?"

do you pray for these people or have you condemned them to hell already?

I don't have to answer that question because I am not the one who posted the video and made those comments
 
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You do realize you're speaking to a moderator, don't you? He deserves respect, not just because he's a moderator, but because he's a fellow human being and a fellow Christian....but also especially because he's a moderator and can boot you out of here.
Respect is earned, not given.

I admin a site and would never do what CS1 did. An admin on another forum baited be just to ban me. So I know the routine and how it goes. I see this behavior on many forums, where 'higher-ups' abuse their priveleges.
 
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The gifts of the Spirit are in operation today,but the Spirit does not work like that in that video,especially that video of Benny Hinn knocking down people with his jacket.

When the Bible says that prophesies will pass,tongues,and such,I believe it means when we are in heaven.

Which the Bible says that out of faith,hope,and charity,charity is the greatest,and that is because faith,and hope,are only needed on this earth,but charity goes on forever.

So when the Bible says that things will cease,which includes faith,and hope,that it means that when we are in heaven they will cease,but charity will go in forever,and charity is the greatest of them all.

Out of all we done on earth,only charity will go on forever,and of course the saints too.
 
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Respect is earned, not given.

I admin a site and would never do what CS1 did. An admin on another forum baited be just to ban me. So I know the routine and how it goes. I see this behavior on many forums, where 'higher-ups' abuse their priveleges.
Same here as well. I've witnessed this on several forums, and there are always one or two opportunists who chime in and grandstand.
 
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The strange fire conference had a nice panel of preachers that show the utter fallacy of the movements pushing this type of behavior. Here is the intro to the conference:

hmmmm


MacArthur has railed against and blasphemed certain gifts of the Holy Spirit

as a result, he has become very condemnatory and judgmental and it seems that spirit rubs off on people just like the spirit of strange fire from one Todd Bentley does

religious spirits play a large part in deceiving those who aspire to holiness through self effort and have the type of personality that needs to control

makes for a very interesting study actually
 
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Haha a seen this and thought of all who teach works for and or the ability to lose it.......salvation that is!
 
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But does he, as a moderator, have the right to abuse it? He called p4t ignorant, in a roundabout way, and then said he was moving on. That's demeaning, belittling, insulting him. And by saying he's moving on, if p4t defends himself, he can say, 'hey, I said I was moving on, and you chose to keep it going.' To use a favorite word of p4t, that's rather callow.
Yep.......
 

ForthAngel

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Haha a seen this and thought of all who teach works for and or the ability to lose it.......salvation that is!
They are kinda in the same boat though. This side of it like in the video is just less subtle.
 
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Poor Johnny Mac, if only he had enquired of sevenseas prior to preaching against heresy. Who knows, maybe he could have been hoodwinked into compromising truth for error in the name of "love".

It amazes me these folks who talk about how unloving those who point out the wolves are, while, you know, ridiculing them and calling them names, and attempting to appear more "spiritual".

More wolves in sheep's clothing.
 

ForthAngel

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Poor Johnny Mac, if only he had enquired of sevenseas prior to preaching against heresy. Who knows, maybe he could have been hoodwinked into compromising truth for error in the name of "love".

It amazes me these folks who talk about how unloving those who point out the wolves are, while, you know, ridiculing them and calling them names, and attempting to appear more "spiritual".

More wolves in sheep's clothing.
I kinda just check out and quit reading once I see someone putting a spirit behind everything and everyone. That dang ol' Jezebel spirit's at it again.
 
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Well, I am a cessationist and if tongues are for today, why have a class teaching it?

I actually do not agree with teaching how to speak in tongues. However teaching the proper use of same is needed.

the Bible is taught today and tongues are in the Bible

if you choose to believe otherwise, that is sadly something you lack
 

ForthAngel

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I actually do not agree with teaching how to speak in tongues. However teaching the proper use of same is needed.

the Bible is taught today and tongues are in the Bible

if you choose to believe otherwise, that is sadly something you lack
The only difference is that tongues in the bible were understood spoken human languages proclaiming the glory of God, not incoherent babbling that serves absolutely no purpose other than puffing up the one who thinks he is more spiritual.