I was ask the person that posted, because she was trying to say that people that believe in election are pharisee's. Which means she believe in the other form of elect that she righty called selection, because their definition of election is by definition selection based on the fore seen seen quality of faith. Which in turn denies the foreknowledge of the Father, because by that definition it is now God acknowledging their fore seen faith in Christ at some point in their life. Which in turn has taken God out of the equation of salvation, as the provider of salvation demoting Him to a simple observer that is supposed to rewards their works, but if you do something to receive something it is no longer a gift, it's a payment for that deed of merit, but in the case of God's salvation by grace it's debt. Which has now taken grace out of salvation, so it's no salvation at all.
Romans 4:4 "Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt." You can notwork for grace, because it's a gift of God, but man in his twisted mind, thinks that they can some how save themselves, by having faith. When Jesus says the natural man can not even see the kingdom of God, so why would he see a need for faith in God? He wouldn't. John 3:3 This is exactly what the pharisee's did is come up with man made works be to replace God in the gift of salvation. They did not see the justice, mercy and faith of the Law, all they seen were the works, yet most all of what they were doing was not even the Law, it was the tradition of men that they made up. Matthew 23:23-24 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Just like the added idea that foreknowledge is by fore seen faith, it's not it's acknowledge, that election is based on fore seen faith, that's selection and that unmerited favor of God or His grace, is by that fore seen faith, it's not that is merited favor, grace is not grace if you do anything to receive it even faith, as in Romans 4:4 the wage or what you think you receive from God for some fore seen faith, it is not grace at all, it's debt, not a gift, you owe God, because anything you think you can do to get God's favor, digs the hole deeper. That why I wanted the OP to explain, because she posts a lot of legalistic stuff, by her posts she's a modern day pharisee, but like all pharisee's they can't see it. They hate anything to do with grace, because they view grace escape clause to live however you want and they are right, because when you experience God's grace you want to live in His grace which is Hid holiness not my righteousness, but in His righteousness.
