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    Default Re: Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

    Speaking in tongues was in the Apostolic time not a Tool which was given to all believers!

    That's false teaching... is this why you have "wolf" as part of your screen name?

    In Acts 8, Philip preached to the Samaritans, and the whole city believed on Jesus and was baptized in water. They were saved. But Acts 8:15-16 says,

    “Who, when they [the apostles] were come down, prayed for them [the Samaritans], that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus)” (brackets mine).

    This is a very clear example of people being born again but still needing to receive the Holy Spirit. This can also be witnessed in Acts 19. Paul found disciples who were not baptized in the Holy Spirit. He prayed for them, and they spoke with tongues.

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    Default Re: Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    Speaking in tongues was in the Apostolic time not a Tool which was given to all believers!

    That's false teaching... is this why you have "wolf" as part of your screen name?

    In Acts 8, Philip preached to the Samaritans, and the whole city believed on Jesus and was baptized in water. They were saved. But Acts 8:15-16 says,

    “Who, when they [the apostles] were come down, prayed for them [the Samaritans], that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus)” (brackets mine).

    This is a very clear example of people being born again but still needing to receive the Holy Spirit. This can also be witnessed in Acts 19. Paul found disciples who were not baptized in the Holy Spirit. He prayed for them, and they spoke with tongues.
    Well I not agree with your view. Acts 8, 10 ore 19 are one time examples that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is for heathen (Acts 10), for Samaritians (acts 8) and for the those which following the teachings of John the baptist (acts 19) too. And not only for the Jews as the Jews thaught. Non of this Verses is a proof for that we need after beeing born again have to receive the Holy Spirit.

    The Wolf is part of my name wolfgang :-)

    Give me please the scripture proof that all believers in the apostolic time received the gift of speaking in tongues!
    I show you one who shows that this gift was not given to all believers: 1. Cor. 12,30:
    Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?


    The answer from the Context is: No

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    Default Re: Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

    1. Cor. 12,30:
    Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
    That's only speaking of a public setting and does not speak to our personal prayer life.

    Clearly the scripture speaks of different types of tongues:

    1 Corinthians 14:2-4
    For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
    But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
    He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


    As you can see there are tongues with interpretation for public use and then there are tongues for private use: "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself"

    You are looking at one verse and applying it across the board which is not comparing apples to apples

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    Default Re: Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post
    That's only speaking of a public setting and does not speak to our personal prayer life.

    Clearly the scripture speaks of different types of tongues:

    1 Corinthians 14:2-4
    For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
    But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
    He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


    As you can see there are tongues with interpretation for public use and then there are tongues for private use: "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself"

    You are looking at one verse and applying it across the board which is not comparing apples to apples
    Well, this one verse is clear enough. Paul is nowhere saying all getting the gift of tongues for privat use, but not all will get the gift of tongues for public use.
    This I cant find in Scripture and so it is not biblical. If you teach it in this way I would call it a false teaching.
    Paul makes in 1. Chor 12, 30 no different between private and public. He simply says that not all getting the gift of speaking in tongues.
    Also if you read 1. Cor 14, 5 you will find that a) not all will speak in tongues and b)that Paul treats speaking in tongues not as two different gifts.

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    Default Re: Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

    Kavik,

    thank you for the long and detailed reply - obviously a lot of thought and effort went into it.

    In summary your claim is that the interpretation of tongues is nothing more than a natural ability to translate one language into another.
    However, the gift of interpretation is a gift of the Holy Spirit, not a natural talent.

    Why on earth would the gift of interpretation of tongues even ever be mentioned if all it amounted to was the need for a language expert?

    I have to say that your line of argument is fairly predictable and no doubt motivated by sincere beliefs.
    However, your explanation is eisegesis at its best - you are trying to impose on Scripture a predetermined meaning.
    And, a single point is enough to debunk it...
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