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hapigrl

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Hey guys, i need help on how to explain God exists to athiests. i don't think you should just throw out john 3:16, or telling them there isnt a creation whithout a creator. I understand these things, but someone who is an athiest won't. This guy is open to new ideas, but so far he doesn't believe in God. advice please??
 
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ASSIYAH

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Hey guys, i need help on how to explain God exists to athiests. i don't think you should just throw out john 3:16, or telling them there isnt a creation whithout a creator. I understand these things, but someone who is an athiest won't. This guy is open to new ideas, but so far he doesn't believe in God. advice please??

You show Him G-d.
 

Ellie

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One of my favourite lines is "don't tell 'em - show em". Never underestimate the power of example if you are able to just be a genuine friend and be real about who you are, in synch with genuinely living for God, loving and growing in him. You don't always have to work too hard to try to steer conversations or find a way to work God into it all, if you are living for God and are a real friend, it'll just come up, and when it does just relax, be yourself, be honest... don't be afraid to say "I don't know" if that is the answer to a question.

I find my unsaved friends respond much better when they realise that I am just as human as them, and that being a Christian doesn't mean that I have all the answers and don't have to struggle, grow, learn and scratch my head in contemplation just like everyone else. So I'll often say "I don't entirely know... here's what I've learned.. here's what I think... here's what some argue..." It really is ok to let them think for themselves, and just keep praying for them. Trust the Holy Spirit to do his own job, we don't need to panick on his behalf. Besides meeting them on their level and allowing them to realise that Christianity really is accessable to them, it also means that if and when they do accept Christ, they don't start out with misconceptions about needing to be perfect before coming to him or trying to earn their way into heaven.

As you simply walk the walk and fall in love with God, while being their true friend at the same time, they'll see it - they'll see that you are saved by grace and are not cocky but grateful for what you've received and hopefully they'll come to terms with the idea that it is available to them to. Let them catch it. It's a much nicer road of discovery than hearing the frantic words of a desperate religious person with the mysterious need to convince them of foreign conepts they have no interest in.


I know there's more to it than what I'm saying, and maybe others can offer some strategies and insights into sharing the gospel that might help you. But I was glad to be the first one to read your question, cos I think showing above telling is a really important thing to grasp before you say anything.


A wise man speaks because he has soemthing to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something. :)


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ASSIYAH

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One of my favourite lines is "don't tell 'em - show em". Never underestimate the power of example if you are able to just be a genuine friend and be real about who you are, in synch with genuinely living for God, loving and growing in him. You don't always have to work too hard to try to steer conversations or find a way to work God into it all, if you are living for God and are a real friend, it'll just come up, and when it does just relax, be yourself, be honest... don't be afraid to say "I don't know" if that is the answer to a question.

I find my unsaved friends respond much better when they realise that I am just as human as them, and that being a Christian doesn't mean that I have all the answers and don't have to struggle, grow, learn and scratch my head in contemplation just like everyone else. So I'll often say "I don't entirely know... here's what I've learned.. here's what I think... here's what some argue..." It really is ok to let them think for themselves, and just keep praying for them. Trust the Holy Spirit to do his own job, we don't need to panick on his behalf. Besides meeting them on their level and allowing them to realise that Christianity really is accessable to them, it also means that if and when they do accept Christ, they don't start out with misconceptions about needing to be perfect before coming to him or trying to earn their way into heaven.

As you simply walk the walk and fall in love with God, while being their true friend at the same time, they'll see it - they'll see that you are saved by grace and are not cocky but grateful for what you've received and hopefully they'll come to terms with the idea that it is available to them to. Let them catch it. It's a much nicer road of discovery than hearing the frantic words of a desperate religious person with the mysterious need to convince them of foreign conepts they have no interest in.


I know there's more to it than what I'm saying, and maybe others can offer some strategies and insights into sharing the gospel that might help you. But I was glad to be the first one to read your question, cos I think showing above telling is a really important thing to grasp before you say anything.


A wise man speaks because he has soemthing to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something. :)


Love
I love this.

Thank you.
 

Ellie

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I love this.

Thank you.
You're welcome. Lol. I took so long to get it said that I wasn't the first one after all. But never mind. What you said was a petitte summary of what I was trying to say anyway. :)
 
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Jesus said if someone does not believe the word of God,they will not believe even if someone rose from the dead and told them.

If someone does not want to believe,they will not believe,and you cannot persuade them no matter what you tell them.

But some people are not to that point yet.

You cannot always reach out to people by saying Jesus loves them,for some people do not respond to that.
Sometimes you have to go about it a different way.
You have to show them that the word of God is the truth,and then they will accept Jesus.
Prophesy is a good way to show them that the word of God is truth,for only a God would know the whole history of mankind.

21Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. 22Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
23Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
24Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
25I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
26Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
27The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.
28For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
29Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion(Isaiah 41:21-29).


God told us the whole history of mankind,and said no other man or religion would be able to do so,proving that He is the one true God.


17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them(Romans 1:17-32).


God said creation testifies that there is a God.


In the Bible it tells us of all the world powers that would be from Egypt,until the antichrist.
They knew the earth was round.
They knew about jets.
They knew about cars.
They knew that children would be rebellious in the last generation,unlike any other time before.
They knew Israel would become a nation again after they were dispersed into the nations.
And many other things they knew before they happened.


You have to show someone the word of God is true,and when they know the word of God is true,then they will accept Jesus.


Some people may not believe that creation testifies that there is a God,but some might,but they cannot deny prophesy,which only a God could tell us the whole history of mankind before it happened.


Matt
 

superdave5221

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Hey guys, i need help on how to explain God exists to athiests. i don't think you should just throw out john 3:16, or telling them there isnt a creation whithout a creator. I understand these things, but someone who is an athiest won't. This guy is open to new ideas, but so far he doesn't believe in God. advice please??
Hey Hapigrl,

In order to convince nonbelievers of the truthfulness of the Gospel, you have to do several things.

One, you must walk the walk. You must set an example, to show how you are different from the world, and how God has changed your life.

Second, you must get them to read and study the bible. It is through God's Holy Scriptures that He calls us to Jesus Christ.

And Third, you must convince them of the truthfulness of the resurrection of Jesus Christ as a reliable historical event in time. This is very important. Existential reasoning is useless in convincing someone of the existence of God. Sayings such as "I know God exists because I have seen miracles in my life", or I know He exists because He has answered my prayers and made me peaceful and happy" will not work. Muslims, Hindu's, Mormons, all of these can claim temporal blessings in their life, and give the credit to their god. We must convince them of the historical accuracy of the bible, not beyond all doubt, but beyond reasonable doubt. The following is a beginning of a dissertation on this important subject.


We know that the Bible is a true historical account the same way that we know about Julius Caesar, or Alexander the Great. We have written accounts of CREDITABLE eyewitnesses who were there and wrote down what they saw and heard. That Jesus lived, preached, and died on the cross is indisputable. No one with any intelligence denies that. There were hundreds of creditable eyewitnesses who saw him alive, AFTER his death on the cross. Paul said that at one time Jesus appeared to 500 people at once, many who were still living. Why do you suppose he was not challenged? If you stood up in front of a group of people and said that the Washington Redskins won the super bowl last year, do you think everyone would agree with you? He was not challenged because he was telling the truth. All his listeners had to do was go ask these people if they witnessed what Paul said they did. The Apostles were flogged numerous times, thrown into prison, lived in poverty, and ultimately all but one died as a martyr. Is it reasonable that men would endure this for a lie? We must use our common sense!! Even the Jewish leaders never questioned that Jesus performed his miracles. Do you not think that if it were not true they would have disproved it? They could not disprove it because people had witnessed it!

Most of the books of the Bible were in common use by the end of the 1st century. They were not written down hundreds of years later as secular people who know nothing about history will tell you. Church councils did not decide which books would be in the Bible. When they made their decisions, all but a few of the books were already in common use. Their councils were little more than a stamp of approval. The Bible is more reliable than all other historical accounts we have from that period. As for the different versions of the Bible, they all originate from original documents and 99.99% of differences are punctuation or different wording which doesn't change the meaning at all. When translating from the Greek to English, often there is more than one meaning for the Greek word. As is the case in English, the correct interpretation can be obtained from the context. There are few cases where the interpretation is in question. In no cases are there differences in essential doctrine. Don't bet your eternal future be based on the DaVinci Code. That was a fictional account designed to entertain and make money.

Jesus lived, died on a cross, and was resurrected on the third day. We know this because there were creditable men who witnessed it! The Bible is God's revelation to us explaining His great plan of redemption. Jesus is the one who carried out that great plan, and died a sacrificial death, so that we may be reconciled to God.
 

superdave5221

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Let me qualify what I said in post #7 about bible differences. There are different bibles available and some are better than others, because they take into account newer information and the changes in language over the centuries. However, most modern bibles, if used with proper hermenutics, and taking into account exegetical contexts, will lead one to the same conclusions. All modern reputable bibles will not differ in major doctrinal beliefs.
 
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Lauren

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Pray about it and let the Holy Spirit guide you for each person. For it's not our words that convict people of their sin and reveal their need for Jesus, but the Holy Spirit. Our words are mere dust in the wind.

john 15:26 When he [the Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment
 
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Hey guys, i need help on how to explain God exists to athiests. i don't think you should just throw out john 3:16, or telling them there isnt a creation whithout a creator. I understand these things, but someone who is an athiest won't. This guy is open to new ideas, but so far he doesn't believe in God. advice please??
I think the Lord would get very lonely if we all ignored him, as your friend does. You should point this out to your friend, perhaps.
 
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One of my favourite lines is "don't tell 'em - show em". Never underestimate the power of example if you are able to just be a genuine friend and be real about who you are, in synch with genuinely living for God, loving and growing in him. You don't always have to work too hard to try to steer conversations or find a way to work God into it all, if you are living for God and are a real friend, it'll just come up, and when it does just relax, be yourself, be honest... don't be afraid to say "I don't know" if that is the answer to a question.

I find my unsaved friends respond much better when they realise that I am just as human as them, and that being a Christian doesn't mean that I have all the answers and don't have to struggle, grow, learn and scratch my head in contemplation just like everyone else. So I'll often say "I don't entirely know... here's what I've learned.. here's what I think... here's what some argue..." It really is ok to let them think for themselves, and just keep praying for them. Trust the Holy Spirit to do his own job, we don't need to panick on his behalf. Besides meeting them on their level and allowing them to realise that Christianity really is accessable to them, it also means that if and when they do accept Christ, they don't start out with misconceptions about needing to be perfect before coming to him or trying to earn their way into heaven.

As you simply walk the walk and fall in love with God, while being their true friend at the same time, they'll see it - they'll see that you are saved by grace and are not cocky but grateful for what you've received and hopefully they'll come to terms with the idea that it is available to them to. Let them catch it. It's a much nicer road of discovery than hearing the frantic words of a desperate religious person with the mysterious need to convince them of foreign conepts they have no interest in.


I know there's more to it than what I'm saying, and maybe others can offer some strategies and insights into sharing the gospel that might help you. But I was glad to be the first one to read your question, cos I think showing above telling is a really important thing to grasp before you say anything.


A wise man speaks because he has soemthing to say. A fool speaks because he has to say something. :)


Love
Hi Ellie,

What a lovely post! In reading it, I feel the same way as I do when reading something by the late Kirster Stendahl, renowned ecumenical theologian and former dean of the Harvard Divinity School.

Your words, like Stendahl's, exude lovingkindness and compassion. Thank you, sis, for making my day.

- KayCee
 

Wonderland

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One of my biggest tools EVER is my testimony. This is especially powerful to people who used to know me before I was living for God, and still know me now that I am living for God, but it can be powerful to ANYONE! People can refute the existence of God up and down, but there is no denying how my life has changed! AMEN! Of course they may reason that the power of positive thinking can be a strong change agent--and they can go ahead and reason whatever they want. I know that A) I walked in darkness (depression, drugs, sex, lying, manipulation, etc.) B) I gave my life to God (cried out to him one night when I had lost all hope) C) Dramatic changes began to happen (I got "caught," I got moved to a new school, I began to be happy, I began to feel bad about my sin, etc.) D) I have been washed by the blood and my past sins have no power over me anymore! E) I am a new creation! AMEN!

I don't know what your testimony is, but I am sure it is the most powerful witnessing tool you have. It goes beyond all reason, is completely filled with the spirit and utterly undeniable, so USE IT!

Hope that helps :)
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I often begin by talking about how the world is broken--war, illness, violence, mental illness, hatred, trumoil, even the ecology. Then I ask them why they think it is broken and what could be done to fix it. After they give their answer, I then give them mine.
 

pickles

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I love all the posts in thi thread.
Lots of good words.
I sometimes will ask why the person does not believe.
It helps in understanding what they are looking for.
God bless, pickles
 

superdave5221

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I love all the posts in thi thread.
Lots of good words.
I sometimes will ask why the person does not believe.
It helps in understanding what they are looking for.
God bless, pickles
Hey Pickles,

This post has made me aware of how much our arguing over the faith must hurt the evangelistic effort. Consider Jesus' prayer on the way to Gethsemane.

John 17: 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. 20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jesus is praying for the Apostles. In verse 20, He prays for us, those who believe in the Apostles' message. He asks that we be of one mind, and in compete unity.

The church in the beginning was completely unified, (Acts 2-5). Paul realized what a problem disunity was and addressed it in the Corinthian church (1 Cor. 1-4).

Unfortunately, whereas we can agree to disagree on nonessential issues of faith (Romans 14), there is essential doctrine that as Christians, we must agree on.

How can we go into the world, and spread a message of disunity? We argue over bibles, and sabbaths, and whether we can drink alcohol. More importantly, we argue over basic tenets of faith, essential doctrine, like faith and works, baptism by immersion, and the divinity of Jesus Christ. How can we spread a message to an unbelieving world, when we can't agree on it ourselves?

It is only the power of the Holy Spirit, and the will of God, who calls His own to Jesus Christ, that makes it possible to evangelize the world.
 
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Pray and believe! Many athiest are going to turn to our Lord these last days. Give this person to God and trust God to work on their heart. The Lord will help you.
 
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greatkraw

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Hey guys, i need help on how to explain God exists to athiests. i don't think you should just throw out john 3:16, or telling them there isnt a creation whithout a creator. I understand these things, but someone who is an athiest won't. This guy is open to new ideas, but so far he doesn't believe in God. advice please??

Read RomansChapter 1 over and over again

Atheists choose to suppress their knowlege of the creator
 

pickles

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Hey Pickles,

This post has made me aware of how much our arguing over the faith must hurt the evangelistic effort. Consider Jesus' prayer on the way to Gethsemane.

John 17: 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. 20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jesus is praying for the Apostles. In verse 20, He prays for us, those who believe in the Apostles' message. He asks that we be of one mind, and in compete unity.

The church in the beginning was completely unified, (Acts 2-5). Paul realized what a problem disunity was and addressed it in the Corinthian church (1 Cor. 1-4).

Unfortunately, whereas we can agree to disagree on nonessential issues of faith (Romans 14), there is essential doctrine that as Christians, we must agree on.

How can we go into the world, and spread a message of disunity? We argue over bibles, and sabbaths, and whether we can drink alcohol. More importantly, we argue over basic tenets of faith, essential doctrine, like faith and works, baptism by immersion, and the divinity of Jesus Christ. How can we spread a message to an unbelieving world, when we can't agree on it ourselves?

It is only the power of the Holy Spirit, and the will of God, who calls His own to Jesus Christ, that makes it possible to evangelize the world.
Amen to this. :)
God bless, pickles
 
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Commendez

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You could always go the historical approach and ask them how could it be possible for Genesis to not only give an account of a global flood (as many ancient cultures also speak of this) but a reason for it. And how was it written over 3 THOUSAND years ago and Science has only JUST proven a global flood having been true.

Or you could ask how is it possible for ancient cultures to either worship, or hold reverence to the serpent. Each culture being unique to itself yet holding common beliefs that prove they all had the same origin. (Eg, the rainbow serpent for Australian aborigines, Native American indians learnt of the Great serpent and it's association with a huge flood, 'Manasa'- the Hindu serpent goddess, Buddhist's claim that a serpent protected Buddha as he reached 'enlightenment', The oracles of the Ancient Greeks were said to have been the continuation of the tradition begun with the worship of the Egyptian cobra goddess, Wadjet, the Chinese and their belief that they are descendants of serpent/dragon gods... and the list goes on and on and on) And explain just how that IS possible holding the account of the Tower of Babel and the people's actions to wanting to be like gods, the same deception the serpent (taking serpent form AFTER the curse) used in the garden of Eden. Once the languages were introduced and people spread the globe they would have taken their original teachings (some following the story passed from Noah and some following the pagan teachings of Nimrod) and over generations the stories would change like what happens with the game 'Chinese whispers'. Israel holding the only true account as it was given to them by YHWH Himself to Moses on Mount Sinai.

You could also ask why Isaiah refers to Satan as the Day Star (not Morning Star as the NIV translated it. It is a contradiction to its own interpretation of Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." ). When the only star you can see in the day time is the sun. Put this in Isaiah's time and you see that Babylon, Greece, Egypt (basically ALL surrounding nations) worshipped the sun as a primary god. Isaiah would associate their pagan primary god as satan in disguise and named him so in Isaiah 14:12.

Or you could say that the Jewish Talmud speaks of Jesus briefly as being born to a Roman father and a sorcerer and how this links with the Bible's description as to how the Jewish leaders at the time made the Jews believe He wasn't the Son of God (so they admit He wasn't born to a Jewish man and that He had powers beyond that of a normal man- as there were countless eye witnesses that could account for His works.)

A jewish historian working for the Roman's at the time, said that,
"Such were the faith of these cult followers calling themselves 'Christians' that they would rather choose death over denying that Christ had never risen." These words were written as en eye witness account in the years following Christ's death. He explains that their cult practiced patience, love, peace etc. But because it went against Jewish law, it was considered a cult.

As far as evolution goes... Science gives us theories but it has to keep readjusting it's ideas to suit evidence being dug up. Not ONE missing link between ANY species has been found. Sure you hear about a possible link being found, splashed ALL over the media... what you don't hear is when it's realized to be EITHER ape or human. One example of early earth (Genesis history) in science is Red blood cells still being preserved in dinosour bones, proving they can't be millions of years old, but only thousands!!
The carbon dating system can only be used for dating thousands not millions due to the rate that the C15 particle breaks down after death. It breaks down at a rate that's too fast to last millions of years later.
The isotope testing needs so many tests done because it gives so many varied results, so they can get rid of the results they don't want and keep the numbers that suit their theory.

But the best way is as "Ellie" put it. Nice and simply, let your light shine as an example of the one that lives in you.

Much love
 
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elite-sky

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hey im going to post both the cosmological argument and teleogical arguments ok see what you guys think :)