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The general consensus seems to be they were looking at living by their own ideas of good instead of following the principles of God, Who is Himself the embodiment of good from Whom all blessings flow. That remains the problem to this very day. The pride of life has dictated man's rejection of God; man puts himself on the throne. The only thing that has changed between then and now is the fact that the solution in Christ has come and gone. Human nature is the same.
So I posted this with the purpose to comment, but had to rush my puppy to its vet appointment. 
Yeah, he's fine. Comments in blue.
So for those who are essentially a Calvinist, you can't say that you have free will or free choice because you don't and either you don't know all you believe or it could be that some of you are not being totally honest. I'd rather believe you just don't understand fully what Calvinism teaches. And the same would go for the lost. They have no free will because God did not choose them. They are doomed to hell without a reason except that God passed them up and chose others instead of you.
And yet, when I read the bible, I read of a totally different God who wants all mankind to be saved and provided the way for them to come to Him. Through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross who atoned for man's sins...by His grace and through faith man is born again.
God says if you will, I will. If you repent, I will forgive you and cleanse you and give you a new heart. Our response is repentance through faith and I see no other way to God through the scriptures except by grace through faith.
Yeah, he's fine. Comments in blue.So for those who are essentially a Calvinist, you can't say that you have free will or free choice because you don't and either you don't know all you believe or it could be that some of you are not being totally honest. I'd rather believe you just don't understand fully what Calvinism teaches.
And the same would go for the lost. They have no free will because God did not choose them. They are doomed to hell without a reason except that God passed them up and chose others instead of you. And yet, when I read the bible, I read of a totally different God who wants all mankind to be saved and provided the way for them to come to Him. Through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross who atoned for man's sins...by His grace and through faith man is born again.
God says if you will, I will. If you repent, I will forgive you and cleanse you and give you a new heart. Our response is repentance through faith and I see no other way to God through the scriptures except by grace through faith.
I'm still waiting for you to show me how you got I don't believe in OSAS out of my statement.
There are free works you could read from some of the reformers that would help you. If you can get MacArthur's book, The Gospel According to Jesus you would understand better. You can find them used. It would be worth the investment. Instead of listening to the naysayers on here who will attack him, read it with an open mind. All he is doing is crystallizing the Gospel that Christ preached, Paul preached, and the church fathers and reformers preached and defended. Scripture and history both back it up.
There are free works you could read from some of the reformers that would help you. If you can get MacArthur's book, The Gospel According to Jesus you would understand better. You can find them used. It would be worth the investment. Instead of listening to the naysayers on here who will attack him, read it with an open mind. All he is doing is crystallizing the Gospel that Christ preached, Paul preached, and the church fathers and reformers preached and defended. Scripture and history both back it up.
It seems to me that some people on this thread are glorifying "freedom" 'free will" and "choice" over God.
I am not American, so, like I could not truly understand the ending of Braveheart with his "FREEDOM" I do not understand why our will even matters?
Salvation is not about me! It is about Christ! He is the one who sacrificed himself for me, and each person. He is the one who has predestined us for adoption! That is what the Bible says.
Instead of some people getting deeper into that truth, they are slavishly devoted to some non-Biblical idea that free choice or free will is the ultimate good. In fact, so important, we have been discussing it for 20 pages.
Poeple need to come back to their senses, and think about the fact that the gospel, or good news, is that Jesus died on the cross as the final sacrifice for sin. God calls us, he changes us, and he moves us to share his good news with others!
We are just lost in a fallen world, until God calls us. I actively fought God for many years as he moved people to share the good news with me. But then, he just swooped down, and saved me in spite of myself.
I wonder how many people here truly believe that it was their personal choice that saved them? And if that is what they believe, are they truly saved? (Not addressing anyone in particular, just thinking out loud!)
Of course, some people might believe they made the choice, when in fact, it is just social conditioning and bad preaching that makes them think that the solemn moment when God touched their hearts and lives, that they initiated it. Must be nice to have God at the beck and call of every sinner!
I am not American, so, like I could not truly understand the ending of Braveheart with his "FREEDOM" I do not understand why our will even matters?
Salvation is not about me! It is about Christ! He is the one who sacrificed himself for me, and each person. He is the one who has predestined us for adoption! That is what the Bible says.
Instead of some people getting deeper into that truth, they are slavishly devoted to some non-Biblical idea that free choice or free will is the ultimate good. In fact, so important, we have been discussing it for 20 pages.
Poeple need to come back to their senses, and think about the fact that the gospel, or good news, is that Jesus died on the cross as the final sacrifice for sin. God calls us, he changes us, and he moves us to share his good news with others!
We are just lost in a fallen world, until God calls us. I actively fought God for many years as he moved people to share the good news with me. But then, he just swooped down, and saved me in spite of myself.
I wonder how many people here truly believe that it was their personal choice that saved them? And if that is what they believe, are they truly saved? (Not addressing anyone in particular, just thinking out loud!)
Of course, some people might believe they made the choice, when in fact, it is just social conditioning and bad preaching that makes them think that the solemn moment when God touched their hearts and lives, that they initiated it. Must be nice to have God at the beck and call of every sinner!
I'm with you on the false gospel of free will.
Somehow those who believe this believe that they came to God out of a genuine love they had for Him.
Well CONGRATS, aren't you special?
They say this is because God gave us all free will and He did so because He wants us to love Him genuinely, so then, all those great people just decided one day they were going to go to God because in their heart they genuinely love Him. That is a drummed up bunch of nonsense and a fairy tale story. It sounds like it came out of Hollywood.
Contrary to Scripture testifying the lost are hostile toward God, are at enmity with Him, and that a leopard can't change it's spots, nor an Ethiopian the color of his skin, they found a loophole, they free willed themselves into change, and voila they loved God genuinely. Well, they should boast, they've done what other humans simply didn't do, they didn't defy the revelation of Scripture in their lost state and choose to love God genuinely. The former is an utterly arrogant position.
Somehow those who believe this believe that they came to God out of a genuine love they had for Him.
Well CONGRATS, aren't you special?
They say this is because God gave us all free will and He did so because He wants us to love Him genuinely, so then, all those great people just decided one day they were going to go to God because in their heart they genuinely love Him. That is a drummed up bunch of nonsense and a fairy tale story. It sounds like it came out of Hollywood.
Contrary to Scripture testifying the lost are hostile toward God, are at enmity with Him, and that a leopard can't change it's spots, nor an Ethiopian the color of his skin, they found a loophole, they free willed themselves into change, and voila they loved God genuinely. Well, they should boast, they've done what other humans simply didn't do, they didn't defy the revelation of Scripture in their lost state and choose to love God genuinely. The former is an utterly arrogant position.
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Where is Jesus now? Last I checked, He was not walking this world in the flesh
God spent centuries preparing the stage for Jesus' incarnation,
and it has been thousands of years since He incarnated.
God spent centuries preparing the stage for Jesus' incarnation,
and it has been thousands of years since He incarnated.
one breath, six days, 14.4 billion years,,
I'm with you on the false gospel of free will.
Somehow those who believe this believe that they came to God out of a genuine love they had for Him.
Well CONGRATS, aren't you special?
They say this is because God gave us all free will and He did so because He wants us to love Him genuinely, so then, all those great people just decided one day they were going to go to God because in their heart they genuinely love Him. That is a drummed up bunch of nonsense and a fairy tale story. It sounds like it came out of Hollywood.
Contrary to Scripture testifying the lost are hostile toward God, are at enmity with Him, and that a leopard can't change it's spots, nor an Ethiopian the color of his skin, they found a loophole, they free willed themselves into change, and voila they loved God genuinely. Well, they should boast, they've done what other humans simply didn't do, they didn't defy the revelation of Scripture in their lost state and choose to love God genuinely. The former is an utterly arrogant position.
Somehow those who believe this believe that they came to God out of a genuine love they had for Him.
Well CONGRATS, aren't you special?
They say this is because God gave us all free will and He did so because He wants us to love Him genuinely, so then, all those great people just decided one day they were going to go to God because in their heart they genuinely love Him. That is a drummed up bunch of nonsense and a fairy tale story. It sounds like it came out of Hollywood.
Contrary to Scripture testifying the lost are hostile toward God, are at enmity with Him, and that a leopard can't change it's spots, nor an Ethiopian the color of his skin, they found a loophole, they free willed themselves into change, and voila they loved God genuinely. Well, they should boast, they've done what other humans simply didn't do, they didn't defy the revelation of Scripture in their lost state and choose to love God genuinely. The former is an utterly arrogant position.
People have heard this so long that they believe it's the Gospel. Thanks to Finney, Sandeman, Pelagius and others it has been popularized. They don't realize that decisional regeneration in this country is not that old, but it is a heresy. There is no way around it, these who believe in this false gospel believe they came to God because of their genuine love for Him, and others just didn't muster up some genuine love for God or they'd get their ticket stamped too.
Then there is the misunderstanding of repentance, and faith, as if they also attained these on their own innate ability, and because they had inherent faith.
Scripture says faith comes from Christ, Romans 10:17, and believing comes from the power that raised Him from the dead, Ephesians 1:19. I suppose these also had resurrection power residing in them as well.
Then there is the misunderstanding of repentance, and faith, as if they also attained these on their own innate ability, and because they had inherent faith.
Scripture says faith comes from Christ, Romans 10:17, and believing comes from the power that raised Him from the dead, Ephesians 1:19. I suppose these also had resurrection power residing in them as well.
Hi preacher,
In Acts 16.........
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.
In Acts 2......
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
In Acts 16.........
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.
In Acts 2......
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
