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Hold it... so your point is the Holy Spirit isn't God?
I'm sorry. I'm just not up on which parts the Father does, which parts the Son does, and which parts the Holy Spirit does. I do not get all that and it is too much for my mind to hold onto. The very reason I call him "God." I figured it covers the all of him.
If this is all about which part of God does what, then dang! I'm in the wrong conversation!
I'm sorry. I'm just not up on which parts the Father does, which parts the Son does, and which parts the Holy Spirit does. I do not get all that and it is too much for my mind to hold onto. The very reason I call him "God." I figured it covers the all of him.
If this is all about which part of God does what, then dang! I'm in the wrong conversation!
Now Lynn, you're not representing the other camps belief correctly. Choice doesn't save. It's all God and He saves.
What we're saying is out of His lovingkindness and mercy for all mankind He says we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.
God has given us the opportunity to believe and be saved or to reject His offer of salvation to our own peril.
He has given us the choice to choose life. Or choose death. He empowers us by His grace as we hear the gospel being preached. We are not saved by choice. We're saved by God's grace through faith.
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Speak all you want cricket, have your fill of it, twist away
what me and Willy discuss is between me and Willy, I have respect for Willy and Yes we have disagreed on things but I can say I don't see him twist things, he says it up front with a open heart that I admire.
Your trying to pin someone else into this conversation, really I mean really, why don't you just go ahead and mention every member.
No need to say anything Magneto, the Devils is in the details, you've had a lot of practice at it,
what me and Willy discuss is between me and Willy, I have respect for Willy and Yes we have disagreed on things but I can say I don't see him twist things, he says it up front with a open heart that I admire.
Your trying to pin someone else into this conversation, really I mean really, why don't you just go ahead and mention every member.
No need to say anything Magneto, the Devils is in the details, you've had a lot of practice at it,
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You are listening! To the liars telling us what we're saying that we're not saying.
And you keep repeating it, which makes you a liar!
I'm done! Keep playing your game. Just don't expect me to trust anything you say because of the amount of lying you've done with what we're saying. And that definitely includes the junk about "I'm trying to understand." Bupkus! One must listen to understand. To the real words, not the constant line of junk circling in your head!
And you keep repeating it, which makes you a liar!
I'm done! Keep playing your game. Just don't expect me to trust anything you say because of the amount of lying you've done with what we're saying. And that definitely includes the junk about "I'm trying to understand." Bupkus! One must listen to understand. To the real words, not the constant line of junk circling in your head!
Yes, those who receive and believe in him WILL be born of God . . . that is the pattern 1) receive the gospel 2) believe the gospel 3) power to become sons of God 4) born of God.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, and any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them; but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (belief) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:1-3 How, if one is elected, can you come short of entering that rest?
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, and any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them; but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (belief) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:1-3 How, if one is elected, can you come short of entering that rest?
I remember when I was 16 or so, shortly after my father died, wrestling with this question, although it wasn't really a question. It was just thoughts I wrote down, which I NEVER did, or do, in a composition book. I lost it maybe 35 years ago.
How can God give free will to a created being? Yet if He didn't, how can a being without freewill give TRUE love?
I remember at the time writing He must have given man free will or we would have been glorified robots that gave programmed love. Which isn't really love. Or, is it?
Well, if God didn't give freewill, then why would Adam and Eve EVER sin, and NOT do God's will always. But I distinctly remember writing that because of man's freewill, God has PAIN! Or sorrow.
Think about that. We can cause pain and grief to our Creator!
So we HAVE to have freewill to choose Jesus! You all know the Scriptures dealing with choosing Him.
BUT....
How can
How can God give free will to a created being? Yet if He didn't, how can a being without freewill give TRUE love?
I remember at the time writing He must have given man free will or we would have been glorified robots that gave programmed love. Which isn't really love. Or, is it?
Well, if God didn't give freewill, then why would Adam and Eve EVER sin, and NOT do God's will always. But I distinctly remember writing that because of man's freewill, God has PAIN! Or sorrow.
Think about that. We can cause pain and grief to our Creator!
So we HAVE to have freewill to choose Jesus! You all know the Scriptures dealing with choosing Him.
BUT....
How can