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    Hello dear brothers and sisters in the Lord! Is my family STILL squabbling about freewill and predestination?

    My goodness. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon EST, of course. Might I throw 2 cents of opinion in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Issachar92 View Post
    And this is why calvinist churches are dead. And this is why its so dangerous to teach this to somebody, it discourages people from sharing the gospel, how could it not? You dont even see the fruit of your labor, those people were elected to be saved anyway, your input was not needed.

    And now I read this, the worst of all, "showing from the bible how to get to heaven = manipulation?" Jesus said let the _who_ come to me? hmm.

    God working in them to be saved, so you mean to tell me that the Holy Spirit of God is working in unclean unsaved vessels BEFORE they repent and believe the gospel? So it is again, the GOSPEL IN REVERSE. Its all in reverse guys WAKE UP.
    Actually Calvinists churches are thriving and growing at revival rates. Arminians are dying.

    Amazing what happens when the message gets out:
    God saves. Choice does not!
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennEd View Post
    Hello dear brothers and sisters in the Lord! Is my family STILL squabbling about freewill and predestination?

    My goodness. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon EST, of course. Might I throw 2 cents of opinion in?

    Yes,everyone is free to respond,no pun intended. All I ask is that people stick to the topic and do not start fights in the thread.
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    Actually Calvinists churches are thriving and growing at revival rates. Arminians are dying.

    Amazing what happens when the message gets out:
    God saves. Choice does not!



    ​Never said God doesn't save...



    And growth of a church means nothing either way.Ive been in huge churches that preach false doctrine,yet the pews are full.
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    Actually Calvinists churches are thriving and growing at revival rates. Arminians are dying.

    Amazing what happens when the message gets out:
    God saves. Choice does not!
    Lynn,
    I do not know if this true or not, but I have heard the reason for this is, because Gays and Lesbians find more acceptance in reformed churches than Armenian Churches?


    Any truth to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meggido View Post
    Lynn,
    I do not know if this true or not, but I have heard the reason for this is, because Gays and Lesbians find more acceptance in reformed churches than Armenian Churches?


    Any truth to this?
    LOL any excuse! The charismatics seem more open to that sort of thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meggido View Post
    kayla,
    Preacher4truth, forth and sovereigngrace have all stated that the Holy Spirit does not draw men, God does.

    You are arguing a mute point if they do not believe the Holy Spirit draws men then stop feeding the beast.
    That is central to the Bible and as such for them to dismiss it outright means they are not following the way, the life and the truth, despite their double-minded tempter tantrum that they do.

    This has gone from your original mandate of wanting to learn to understand their "religion" to now giving a few in a certain group a voice to discount, marginalize, ridicule, rebuke, correct people at whim and without fear of reprisal which allows them to spread strife, division, discourse to any who disagrees with them.

    Playtime is over and we need to get back to work.

    The only exception to this is Lynn, who has been cordial and really helped and not been smug, arrogant, and demeaning in sharing her knowledge. Lynn is more closer to reformed Calvinist than 3 of those guys, who need to be left alone.
    Hold it... so your point is the Holy Spirit isn't God?

    I'm sorry. I'm just not up on which parts the Father does, which parts the Son does, and which parts the Holy Spirit does. I do not get all that and it is too much for my mind to hold onto. The very reason I call him "God." I figured it covers the all of him.

    If this is all about which part of God does what, then dang! I'm in the wrong conversation!
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Actually Calvinists churches are thriving and growing at revival rates. Arminians are dying.

    Amazing what happens when the message gets out:
    God saves. Choice does not!

    Now Lynn, you're not representing the other camps belief correctly. Choice doesn't save. It's all God and He saves.

    What we're saying is out of His lovingkindness and mercy for all mankind He says we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.


    God has given us the opportunity to believe and be saved or to reject His offer of salvation to our own peril.

    He has given us the choice to choose life. Or choose death. He empowers us by His grace as we hear the gospel being preached. We are not saved by choice. We're saved by God's grace through faith.

    Ezekiel 18:23 Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Hold it... so your point is the Holy Spirit isn't God?

    I'm sorry. I'm just not up on which parts the Father does, which parts the Son does, and which parts the Holy Spirit does. I do not get all that and it is too much for my mind to hold onto. The very reason I call him "God." I figured it covers the all of him.

    If this is all about which part of God does what, then dang! I'm in the wrong conversation!
    no those 3 in various other threads have stated matter of factually the Holy Spirit does not lead men to God. The Bible says they are wrong, despite their reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    BeyondET says nobody knows what he means when I have seen Willie and also
    myself respond to what he says in the positive, still he pretends otherwise?

    There is something seriously not adding up here.
    Speak all you want cricket, have your fill of it, twist away

    what me and Willy discuss is between me and Willy, I have respect for Willy and Yes we have disagreed on things but I can say I don't see him twist things, he says it up front with a open heart that I admire.

    Your trying to pin someone else into this conversation, really I mean really, why don't you just go ahead and mention every member.

    No need to say anything Magneto, the Devils is in the details, you've had a lot of practice at it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    Right! This where Im stuck and people are saying Im not listening.I am! Thats the problem,I am listening!
    You are listening! To the liars telling us what we're saying that we're not saying.

    And you keep repeating it, which makes you a liar!

    I'm done! Keep playing your game. Just don't expect me to trust anything you say because of the amount of lying you've done with what we're saying. And that definitely includes the junk about "I'm trying to understand." Bupkus! One must listen to understand. To the real words, not the constant line of junk circling in your head!
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennEd View Post
    Hello dear brothers and sisters in the Lord! Is my family STILL squabbling about freewill and predestination?

    My goodness. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon EST, of course. Might I throw 2 cents of opinion in?
    I hope this post doesn't come off as conceited, or I have some great insight that will forever put to rest the question.
    Just that seeing members of the body of Christ slapping each other around is distressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeyondET View Post
    Speak all you want cricket, have your fill of it, twist away

    what me and Willy discuss is between me and Willy, I have respect for Willy and Yes we have disagreed on things but I can say I don't see him twist things, he says it up front with a open heart that I admire.

    Your trying to pin someone else into this conversation, really I mean really, why don't you just go ahead and mention every member.

    No need to say anything Magneto, the Devils is in the details, you've had a lot of practice at it,
    Well, I agreed with what you said, and Willie admitted to seeing what you were saying as well, but you pretend nobody knows what you mean, when they do, even those who disagree. I don't need to mention every member? What is wrong with you?
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    you guys sound so hangry. here yah go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PennEd View Post
    Hello dear brothers and sisters in the Lord! Is my family STILL squabbling about freewill and predestination?

    My goodness. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon EST, of course. Might I throw 2 cents of opinion in?
    Indeed brother I'll cool my jets because you said it, it's a beautiful Friday afternoon EST, life is to short to sweat the small stuff.

    Please forgive if I offended anybody surely i have and I'm sorry, I hope you all have a great weekend...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meggido View Post
    no those 3 in various other threads have stated matter of factually the Holy Spirit does not lead men to God. The Bible says they are wrong, despite their reasoning.
    We quote scripture. Where is your scripture to support your position? It's easy to make unfounded statements. It's another thing to back them up.
    Look now to our adversaries (I mean the priesthood, at whose beck and pleasure others
    ply their enmity against us), and consider with me for a little by what zeal they are actuated.
    The true religion which is delivered in the Scriptures, and which all ought to hold, they
    readily permit both themselves and others to be ignorant of, to neglect and despise;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    Well, I agreed with what you said, and Willie admitted to seeing what you were saying as well, but you pretend nobody knows what you mean, when they do, even those who disagree. I don't need to mention every member? What is wrong with you?
    Water under bridge Magenta, let's just forget about it, no sense in going back and forth over it. hope your weekend is a pleasant one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignGrace View Post
    Those who receive Him have been born of God.[John 1:13] Those who love Him have been born of Him.[1 John 4:] I'm seeing a pattern here.
    Yes, those who receive and believe in him WILL be born of God . . . that is the pattern 1) receive the gospel 2) believe the gospel 3) power to become sons of God 4) born of God.

    Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, and any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them; but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (belief) in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Hebrews 4:1-3 How, if one is elected, can you come short of entering that rest?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertsrose View Post

    Now Lynn, you're not representing the other camps belief correctly. Choice doesn't save. It's all God and He saves.

    What we're saying is out of His lovingkindness and mercy for all mankind He says we are saved by grace THROUGH faith.


    God has given us the opportunity to believe and be saved or to reject His offer of salvation to our own peril.

    He has given us the choice to choose life. Or choose death. He empowers us by His grace as we hear the gospel being preached. We are not saved by choice. We're saved by God's grace through faith.

    Don't forget faith is a gift of God so that no one should boast.
    The faith that saved you according to your own words isn't yours, it was a gift of God. You can't say that God saved you because He saw that you had faith as opposed to somebody else who didn't, He gave you faith then saved you.

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    I remember when I was 16 or so, shortly after my father died, wrestling with this question, although it wasn't really a question. It was just thoughts I wrote down, which I NEVER did, or do, in a composition book. I lost it maybe 35 years ago.

    How can God give free will to a created being? Yet if He didn't, how can a being without freewill give TRUE love?
    I remember at the time writing He must have given man free will or we would have been glorified robots that gave programmed love. Which isn't really love. Or, is it?
    Well, if God didn't give freewill, then why would Adam and Eve EVER sin, and NOT do God's will always. But I distinctly remember writing that because of man's freewill, God has PAIN! Or sorrow.
    Think about that. We can cause pain and grief to our Creator!
    So we HAVE to have freewill to choose Jesus! You all know the Scriptures dealing with choosing Him.

    BUT....

    How can
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