Lets Talk Free Choice

[Depleted]

I also have and do minister with many homosexuals and do not think they are worse than.

I do not believe a open or closed practicing homosexual should be allowed to be ordained or teach or preach or be in ANY church leadership position though.

Yeah, kind of thought the invisible church would agree on that one.

A lot of the visible church tends to think that is the worst sin ever though.

Anyone who wants to come to church is warmly invited in. To become a member though, there are the basic tenants of belief that have to be met. And the concept of what is sin is one of them. I don't think there are any problems if someone is struggling over homosexual sin. Big problem if there is no struggle, because you don't consider it sin.

 

[kaylagrl]

I sorry as well Kaylagrl, please forgive me for derailing your thread, it's a good thread on the topic of free choice.

Not a problem. But I dont see this thread going much further

 

[kaylagrl]

Very distressing since the lead off was there would be no slapping of each other, yet got quite a bit of it, including from the one promising no slapping.

Solved the problem though. (Worked hard at reconciliation, but that wasn't to be.) Ignore works very well for me.

Wow, a lady I respected and considered a sister in the Lord put me on ignore. What a sad day. Perhaps I need to step out of CC. If our beliefs are so important that we would write off a brother/sister in the Lord that says something to me. We're no different than Islam,kill even your own family if they disagree.What a shameful thing happening at CC. Shameful. How can the lost be saved when we're so hateful to our own family in the Lord? Sad day.

 

[preacher4truth]

no those 3 in various other threads have stated matter of factually the Holy Spirit does not lead men to God. The Bible says they are wrong, despite their reasoning.

None of us have ever made such a claim, nor do we believe it, but I wanted to make sure this lie you've constructed is documented again. But, it's no different than the lies you've made about MacArthur and possibly others. Seems you have an agenda with this newer moniker.

 

[BeyondET]

Not a problem. But I dont see this thread going much further

Don't give up so quick it's a good thread,

My motto is I don't look at the dirt, really I don't pay much mind to it but I look for gems lying under neath it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Dunno. Seems us three have a bit of a fan club lately though. Haven't seen any reformed bashing threads either. Maybe I missed 'em.

Well, there was the one that attempted to label the Reformed as a cult, but it was so absurd and readily dismantled it fell apart.

 

[kaylagrl]

Dunno. Seems us three have a bit of a fan club lately though. Haven't seen any reformed bashing threads either. Maybe I missed 'em.

This was never a bashing thread. I know what my own intent was. But to say free choice is right, it makes the opposite wrong.They cant both be right. The mods can shut this down. No one is friends here,only when you agree with their logic. Should have never started either thread.

 

[Marano]

Can you give the Scripture that states faith is forced on us against our will? Thank you

I didn't say faith is forced on us against our will, I said faith is a gift of God, and that it's not inherent of ourselves, as many say faith is man's contribution to salvation, without it God can't save men, well scripture says faith comes from God, so any faith we have is God given and not our own.

 

[ForthAngel]

This was never a bashing thread. I know what my own intent was. But to say free choice is right, it makes the opposite wrong.They cant both be right. The mods can shut this down. No one is friends here,only when you agree with their logic. Should have never started either thread.

I never said it was. That Meggido guy seems to think it is though. I know your intent and have no hard feelings toward you as usual.

 

[trofimus]

Wow, a lady I respected and considered a sister in the Lord put me on ignore. What a sad day. Perhaps I need to step out of CC. If our beliefs are so important that we would write off a brother/sister in the Lord that says something to me. We're no different than Islam,kill even your own family if they disagree.What a shameful thing happening at CC. Shameful. How can the lost be saved when we're so hateful to our own family in the Lord? Sad day.

Putting somebody on ignore in an internet forum is really not the same thing as killing our own family
So yes, we are very different than Islam.

I think that the problem Lynn has is that even though we try to clarify our positions, you still repeat views you expect us to have, even though we made it clear again and again that we do not believe it in this way...

 

[Marano]

This was never a bashing thread. I know what my own intent was. But to say free choice is right, it makes the opposite wrong.They cant both be right. The mods can shut this down. No one is friends here,only when you agree with their logic. Should have never started either thread.

Well we are to treach each other as more than friends, rather as brothers and sisters, this bashing thing and looking at other people as enemies is not christian like at all.

 

[kaylagrl]

I never said it was. That Meggido guy seems to think it is though. I know your intent and have no hard feelings toward you as usual.

Thanks and the same to you.But Im done. If this is what people consider right I want no part of it.Tearing each other apart.I can go to my own family for drama. I need to seek more.

 

[ForthAngel]

Putting somebody on ignore in an internet forum is really not the same thing as killing our own family
So yes, we are very different than Islam.

I think that the problem Lynn has is that even though we try to clarify our positions, you still repeat views you expect us to have, even though we made it clear again and again that we do not believe it in this way...

Yeah, this. It's been the issue over and over again. But at the very least, at least Kayla and a couple others have tried to see our side truthfully. Gotta give them credit for that. Others continue with their smear campaigns against their straw man.

 

[trofimus]

Yeah, this. It's been the issue over and over again. But at the very least, at least Kayla and a couple others have tried to see our side truthfully. Gotta give them credit for that. Others continue with their smear campaigns against their straw man.

Yeah, kayla seems to be of a better material

But even she still repeats "we have a choice" like if we said we do not have...

 

[ForthAngel]

Well, there was the one that attempted to label the Reformed as a cult, but it was so absurd and readily dismantled it fell apart.

Yeah I missed that one. I don't think this thread we're in is meant to bash reformed theology though, but try to see the free will side. But I haven't seen much substance in their defense as of yet. I was hoping to see solid arguments for it. It's the same ol' though.

 

[ForthAngel]

From what I see, the free will side has a lot of philosophical ideas but not much scripture. It asks a lot of questions without ever giving a solid answer.

 

[preacher4truth]

Heck, I'm friends with everyone, even those who have lied about me, so I don't get saying we aren't, but I'm not uptight about it so...

That being said the relentless will to simply not see the clarifications given by the reformed brothers on here, and/or to only see the part of the passage that one wants to see is remarkable and sad.

For example, Matthew 11:25-30 is so very clear, yet people only want to rush to the "come unto me all..." portion and then draw their theology off of a truncated context. At least we look at the whole entire context, and to whom it is speaking specifically. That's fair, right, and good and an exercise of 2 Timothy 2:15.

 

[BeyondET]

Thanks and the same to you.But Im done. If this is what people consider right I want no part of it.Tearing each other apart.I can go to my own family for drama. I need to seek more.

I don't mean to interrupt, but I can't help but think of something, remember what Jesus went through he was torn to pieces inside and out yet He never give up on people even the ones who drove nails through him, Father please forgive them for they no not what they do...

God bless sister

 

[preacher4truth]

From what I see, the free will side has a lot of philosophical ideas but not much scripture. It asks a lot of questions without ever giving a solid answer.

That's because it's an ideology, not a theology. The ideology is cast upon Scripture, and it is sought to prove the ideology/false presupposition. It should be that Scripture dictates to us what it says, no matter what it says, whether it comes against our tradition, and whether or not we like it.

 

[trofimus]

From what I see, the free will side has a lot of philosophical ideas but not much scripture. It asks a lot of questions without ever giving a solid answer.

I have not even registered any philosophical ideas, they have only some very primitive feelings about it, but they are unable to even define the term properly...