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    Another what?
    youd have to look at the comment i responded to " another Like"

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    Quote Originally Posted by followjesus View Post
    i think sometimes we forget that there are many people who are so beat down by thier sin, thier failures just the poor decisions they have made in life, they really do need to Hear about Gods Mercy, before we can start teaching righteousness. im in NO WAY a supporter of the gog, as anyone in these forums can tell you. its a fine line between speaking the truth that God is good, and then saying " God is so good, he is not calling us to repentance"

    i think alot of folks that get pegged as " teaching sinless perfection" really arent, they are just speaking about the importance of obeying Gods word through Christ Jesus. while at other times alot get pegged as promoting sin, when they really are saying " God is good" im not sure this articulates what i was trying to say but maybe this will help

    1 corinthians 3:1-3" And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

    some need the milk, without denying that solid food exists and is the goal to grow into, because if we deny the truth of righteousness, well never grow up. yet, some are not there yet.

    Hebrews 5:13 "For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
    The problem is those who reject even the milk to the point of defaming Christ and stand in defense of heretical teachings and teachers. Some have been at it for years. They don't want the milk and they reject entirely that sin even exists as part of the Gospel. They reject everything but the feel good stuff. They aren't babes, they are wolves.
    Look now to our adversaries (I mean the priesthood, at whose beck and pleasure others
    ply their enmity against us), and consider with me for a little by what zeal they are actuated.
    The true religion which is delivered in the Scriptures, and which all ought to hold, they
    readily permit both themselves and others to be ignorant of, to neglect and despise;

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    I think it's brothers picking on sissy nite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    I think it's brothers picking on sissy nite.
    Yeah..,only works for you, cuz i know you are just pickin,

    It's okay though...my brothers taught me a long time ago...don't get mad, get even...

    Watch out Potters...when you least expect it...


    Pow, right in the kesser...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    I think it's brothers picking on sissy nite.
    Pretty much no one's mentioned any sissies. I know I haven't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Pretty much no one's mentioned any sissies. I know I haven't.
    Now Potters if you had said this...,i would hand you a mirror....

    But it just might be taken the wrong way if I offered p4t one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    The problem is those who reject even the milk to the point of defaming Christ and stand in defense of heretical teachings and teachers. Some have been at it for years. They don't want the milk and they reject entirely that sin even exists as part of the Gospel. They reject everything but the feel good stuff. They aren't babes, they are wolves.
    I completey understand brother, i truly do with clarity what you are saying. i agree also, its not that i dont its been a point of frustration for myself for over a year here. i guess what im saying is theres a huge difference in teaching against the truth, and speaking another part of the truth. heretical teachings should be called out, and corrected. But some of the fold is just getting into the church, and a person who has lived a life of sin and has reached a point of conviction, need to Hear the truth of Gods amazing mercy, His willingness to forgive them, while at the same time the message should never be " forget what Jesus said about obedience, grace is all" because that isnt true. Jesus Christ is all, and Grace is one wonderful aspect of Our Lord and Savior.

    some just arent there yet to the point they can accept or digest solid food that makes bones strong. they are those we need to be careful in many ways with, not to feed them milk with poison in it by telling them nothing else is there, and also making sure that Gods mercy is an equal part of our Faith.

    im not sure im able to make clear my thought here, i hope i am. God bless you, i really enjoy much of your posting here, Keep sharing !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by followjesus View Post
    I completey understand brother, i truly do with clarity what you are saying. i agree also, its not that i dont its been a point of frustration for myself for over a year here. i guess what im saying is theres a huge difference in teaching against the truth, and speaking another part of the truth. heretical teachings should be called out, and corrected. But some of the fold is just getting into the church, and a person who has lived a life of sin and has reached a point of conviction, need to Hear the truth of Gods amazing mercy, His willingness to forgive them, while at the same time the message should never be " forget what Jesus said about obedience, grace is all" because that isnt true. Jesus Christ is all, and Grace is one wonderful aspect of Our Lord and Savior.

    some just arent there yet to the point they can accept or digest solid food that makes bones strong. they are those we need to be careful in many ways with, not to feed them milk with poison in it by telling them nothing else is there, and also making sure that Gods mercy is an equal part of our Faith.

    im not sure im able to make clear my thought here, i hope i am. God bless you, i really enjoy much of your posting here, Keep sharing !!
    Agreed excepting that the majority fighting truth on here aren't novices. Instead they're those who have been around and should know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by followjesus View Post
    I completey understand brother, i truly do with clarity what you are saying. i agree also, its not that i dont its been a point of frustration for myself for over a year here. i guess what im saying is theres a huge difference in teaching against the truth, and speaking another part of the truth. heretical teachings should be called out, and corrected. But some of the fold is just getting into the church, and a person who has lived a life of sin and has reached a point of conviction, need to Hear the truth of Gods amazing mercy, His willingness to forgive them, while at the same time the message should never be " forget what Jesus said about obedience, grace is all" because that isnt true. Jesus Christ is all, and Grace is one wonderful aspect of Our Lord and Savior.

    some just arent there yet to the point they can accept or digest solid food that makes bones strong. they are those we need to be careful in many ways with, not to feed them milk with poison in it by telling them nothing else is there, and also making sure that Gods mercy is an equal part of our Faith.

    im not sure im able to make clear my thought here, i hope i am. God bless you, i really enjoy much of your posting here, Keep sharing !!
    I get you. I totally agree. I wasn't even saved when I got here, and to be honest, what I would suggest a new believer do is run far away from BDF or look for some kind solid believers here to chat with personally. There are tons here less coarse than some of us others. You for instance

    I was SO confused and all over the place because of BDF. Not to mention terrified. I had to finally just pick up the bible and see what it had to say for myself instead of listening to all the debates here. I also was able to hear from some sound brothers and sisters via PM and chat who were able to give me little bits at a time and pray with me and that helped tremendously. What I needed at the time was to hear about God's mercy and grace. Definitely.

    I was just trying to make a distinction in case you, or anyone else for that matter, didn't see where me and some others are coming from in some of our posts. Speaking for myself, I'm not trying to be mean to anyone. But I will stand and defend Jesus if his character is being maligned and corrupted by half-truths or flat out lies.

    I also get you about the sinless perfection and sin all you want accusations. I get both a lot, which is kinda funny. Some see me one way and others see me the other. Strange, but true.
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    readily permit both themselves and others to be ignorant of, to neglect and despise;

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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    Why sure it does saint, when the Lord does something that doesn't fit the pigeon hole we put him in ....we might want to tend to ignore it....or worse yet....say it was the other guy
    Ok, let me clarify what I meant about putting a label on your beliefs.

    You have beliefs right?
    Whatever they are, and whichever ones you have, you have them.
    Right?
    Ok, you can put a label on them, or not put a label on them.
    Putting a label on them doesn't change them... it's just a label.
    With the label, or without the label, your beliefs are still your beliefs.

    This is all I meant.


    And like I said, I don't think it's any big deal either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    Agreed excepting that the majority fighting truth on here aren't novices. Instead they're those who have been around and should know better.
    theres definately truth to that bro, thats why that part of Hebrews is being written, because they should have been teachers by that point, yet the word says "you need milk" because we arent able to grow without the solid food part, its possible also to be an adult, and still feeding on milk.

    Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."

    there is always an aspect of rebuke, and encouragement to these types in scripture ive noticed. they arent condemned, yet this is clearly a rebuke, and then there is encouragement as well the word of God is so vastly able to reach us with whatever needs we have at a given time. the issue there in Hebrews is its become hard to teach anything else because milk is the taste of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    I have to disagree with this.

    I have worked with Sex Offenders and Child Molesters for more than a quarter of a century. I would bet you hold to making sure "the truth" is known, no matter what the cost. That's Biblical, most would say. I say it is not.

    In my court work, I have seen children so FURTHER abused by the self-satisfying obsession for "truth", that it is nearly unbelievable.

    So, I have to say that a virtue I live by is that innocents should not be injured just to feel that we did our duty to "get at the truth." Such a belief, to the best of my knowledge, cannot be found anywhere in the Bible. Does that make it wrong to espouse?
    Ok how dose being told the truth further abuses a victim of lies or a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    I get you. I totally agree. I wasn't even saved when I got here, and to be honest, what I would suggest a new believer do is run far away from BDF or look for some kind solid believers here to chat with personally. There are tons here less coarse than some of us others. You for instance

    I was SO confused and all over the place because of BDF. Not to mention terrified. I had to finally just pick up the bible and see what it had to say for myself instead of listening to all the debates here. I also was able to hear from some sound brothers and sisters via PM and chat who were able to give me little bits at a time and pray with me and that helped tremendously. What I needed at the time was to hear about God's mercy and grace. Definitely.

    I was just trying to make a distinction in case you, or anyone else for that matter, didn't see where me and some others are coming from in some of our posts. Speaking for myself, I'm not trying to be mean to anyone. But I will stand and defend Jesus if his character is being maligned and corrupted by half-truths or flat out lies.

    I also get you about the sinless perfection and sin all you want accusations. I get both a lot, which is kinda funny. Some see me one way and others see me the other. Strange, but true.
    "There are tons here less coarse than some of us others. You for instance "

    lol im tryin bro, just because i realized recently that i have been course at times im workin on it for sure, but i been there BELIEVE me lol i would have many witnesses to that on here haha but hey, its time for me to grow a bit im believing so im glad that you see it that way, thanks for that encouragement, and for the great posts, keep em comin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    I get you. I totally agree. I wasn't even saved when I got here, and to be honest, what I would suggest a new believer do is run far away from BDF or look for some kind solid believers here to chat with personally. There are tons here less coarse than some of us others. You for instance

    I was SO confused and all over the place because of BDF. Not to mention terrified. I had to finally just pick up the bible and see what it had to say for myself instead of listening to all the debates here. I also was able to hear from some sound brothers and sisters via PM and chat who were able to give me little bits at a time and pray with me and that helped tremendously. What I needed at the time was to hear about God's mercy and grace. Definitely.

    I was just trying to make a distinction in case you, or anyone else for that matter, didn't see where me and some others are coming from in some of our posts. Speaking for myself, I'm not trying to be mean to anyone. But I will stand and defend Jesus if his character is being maligned and corrupted by half-truths or flat out lies.

    I also get you about the sinless perfection and sin all you want accusations. I get both a lot, which is kinda funny. Some see me one way and others see me the other. Strange, but true.
    I also get exactly where you are coming from and really appreciate the things that are given you to say, and no u arent mean to people at all that ive seen. i know whats in you right now for sure, theres a season in us for all things
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    Quote Originally Posted by pottersclay View Post
    I think it's brothers picking on sissy nite.
    Love u sister
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    Ok how dose being told the truth further abuses a victim of lies or a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    Ok how dose being told the truth further abuses a victim of lies or a liar.
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    If you ask the victim to relive their abuse or tell you what happened to them in your "search for the truth" that can be very damaging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwel View Post
    Ok, let me clarify what I meant about putting a label on your beliefs.

    You have beliefs right?
    Whatever they are, and whichever ones you have, you have them.
    Right?
    Ok, you can put a label on them, or not put a label on them.
    Putting a label on them doesn't change them... it's just a label.
    With the label, or without the label, your beliefs are still your beliefs.

    This is all I meant.


    And like I said, I don't think it's any big deal either way.
    Max I agree no big deal....but is it? If Jesus been more like a Jew would he of talked to the Samaritan women?
    I'm thinking maybe I'm not getting this whole defined detailed resume making christian thing.
    I mean as long as God knows who cares right?
    It's like Jesus wasn't concerned with what people thought of him. Wouldn't catch him saying who do people say that I am. Which by the way defines you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
    Now Potters if you had said this...,i would hand you a mirror....

    But it just might be taken the wrong way if I offered p4t one.
    I'm just looking for pig tails to pull......snapping the head off your Barbie doll kind of thing.

    What are you gonna do.....tell dad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel82 View Post
    If you ask the victim to relive their abuse or tell you what happened to them in your "search for the truth" that can be very damaging.
    I was leading away from those specifics, but you are absolutely right.

    It would shock you to know how many children have no idea or thought about the "nasty" concepts we adults hold in our minds. They do not know they are now vile creatures, damaged goods, horribly violated, and utterly destroyed mentally and emotionally for life because "grandpa was nice to them." That is honestly how many children see the acts we vilify and escalate in our minds....... UNTIL, we make sure to put that "nastiness" directly into their minds.

    More children than I can number have been far more abused by parents and social workers in the aftermath, than ever were by the initial act, itself. Certainly the molestation is not at all good, and safeguards have to be taken. But they should not include amplifying something that really meant very little to the child...... BEFORE the "loving" adult made sure they got the full impact of how horribly violated they were, and that "this will be a thing of nightmares for life."
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