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JaumeJ

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God has healed people in front of me before. One feels or knows the Presence of the Holy Spirit when these things occur, before during and after for a short time. It is the seal that God has worked anoter work.

No one need believe me, but the miracles did occur, and I know the will continue to do so.
 
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Rockrz said:
I'd be more impressed when back in the old days there were either no doctors around or no knowledge of mankind knowing how to handle this and... folks had to trust in the Lord alone.

Many Christians go to the doc and die anyway... glad to hear this girl came out OK, but I've seen those that trusted in medical science and things went very badly for them and they STILL had to pay the bill, or their family did after they croaked...

There is also a way of believing God for His protection ahead of time for divine protection... we won't get in to that since so many scoffers here would lose their mind and start slobbering on themselves.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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This is pretty much the attitude I posted about. LOL (You'd sing one heck of a different tune if it had been your daughter.)
 
JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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It is difficult for some to understand this, but the Father does heal His children, and they are children always whom He heals..ironic? Nope, it is the Way in the Family....
 
Rockrz

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You'd sing one heck of a different tune if it had been your daughter
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Actually, if it were my daughter... her fingers never would have been caught in the door in the first place.

There is a way to walk in God's protection as it is in fact something He offers... can you find the promises for that???

It's better to prevent a problem versus trying to clean one up after the fact.
 
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Rockrz said:
Actually, if it were my daughter... her fingers never would have been caught in the door in the first place.

There is a way to walk in God's protection as it is in fact something He offers... can you find the promises for that???

It's better to prevent a problem versus trying to clean one up after the fact.
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:rolleyes:
 
Willie-T

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Rockrz said:
Actually, if it were my daughter... her fingers never would have been caught in the door in the first place.

There is a way to walk in God's protection as it is in fact something He offers... can you find the promises for that???

It's better to prevent a problem versus trying to clean one up after the fact.
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LOL That's rich! LOL You don't have any children, do you?
 
Rockrz

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You don't have any children, do you?
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Whether I do or not... does that change God's promises?

Do His promises become untrue once someone has chillins???

I keep running across people that discount God's promises as they descend in to worry and fear over their children... which is exactly how the devil gets an open door to do something to their children.

Job said what he feared came upon him... he feared his children would get in to sin and be destroyed, and that's exactly what happened.

In his defense, Job did not have the entire Word of God like we have today to know better and since he otherwise had a pure heart towards the Lord, God counted him as righteous.

None the less... getting in to fear and worry is an open door to the devil and he will take advantage of those that do!
 
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Rockrz said:
I'd be more impressed when back in the old days there were either no doctors around or no knowledge of mankind knowing how to handle this and... folks had to trust in the Lord alone.

Many Christians go to the doc and die anyway... glad to hear this girl came out OK, but I've seen those that trusted in medical science and things went very badly for them and they STILL had to pay the bill, or their family did after they croaked...

There is also a way of believing God for His protection ahead of time for divine protection... we won't get in to that since so many scoffers here would lose their mind and start slobbering on themselves.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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I have a feeling you have seen people trust in medical sciences and things was good for them, thus God inspired a person to be a doctor to be such a helper. surely you have learned something of God from someone in your life? Yes or No.
 
Rockrz

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I have a feeling you have seen people trust in medical sciences and things was good for them, thus God inspired a person to be a doctor to be such a helper. surely you have learned something of God from someone in your life? Yes or No.
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Riddle me this... WHERE in God's Word did He ever give a call to action to trust the ability and wisdom of man rather than Him???

If you can find such passages, I'd be happy to look at them.... otherwise, I'll stick with the Lord's promises for healing as they have kept me well for a lot of years.
 
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Rockrz said:
Riddle me this... WHERE in God's Word did He ever give a call to action to trust the ability and wisdom of man rather than Him???

If you can find such passages, I'd be happy to look at them.... otherwise, I'll stick with the Lord's promises for healing as they have kept me well for a lot of years.
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I will answer your question, if you sit for one second and answer mine here it is again,,, have you ever learned from another person in your life about God??? Yes or No
 
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Rockrz said:
Riddle me this... WHERE in God's Word did He ever give a call to action to trust the ability and wisdom of man rather than Him???

If you can find such passages, I'd be happy to look at them.... otherwise, I'll stick with the Lord's promises for healing as they have kept me well for a lot of years.
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It's ok I know you rather not answer most questions people ask of you, but I'll answer your riddle anyhow but your going to have to answer it with a yes or no...

Was Jesus born a Man
 
Rockrz

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have you ever learned from another person in your life about God??? Yes or No
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No, I learn from the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

People cannot pass revelation knowledge... but the Holy Spirit can and does.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.




Was Jesus born a Man
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That is no proof God instructed His people to trust in doctors / wisdom of man before coming to Him.

Try again...
 
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wolfwint

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Okay, so by your standards hubby and I are the poor. We couldn't afford doctors. And yet, hubby has a massive heart attack so bad that as they were wheeling him to get stents put in, he heard someone say, "This one won't make it."

IF we had to pay for all the care received, our co-pay alone would have cost us 10 months of my income just to have teeth removed. (New valve put in, but his teeth were bad, so they feared an abscess would slip off and head straight for his heart.) No idea how much that whole bill was, but the extraction surgery was the easy operation. Stents and a heart valve replaced, before we got there. That's not counting dialysis and treating two deadly infections before getting that valve replaced.

And yet, as I speak, hubby is due to wake up soon, so we can go out grocery shopping today. Will he die? Of course he will, but it is highly unlikely that today is that day.

Nothing false here. God took a man who wasn't even likely to get to the OR, and brought him back to me. Pert-near miraculous to me.

(Oh, and we owe zip on medical bills too. Also miraculous!)
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Lynn, thats what I mean. We as His children are loved from our heavenly father. And he is taken care upon us. Sometimes he heals us and sometimes he is carry us trough our sickness and sufferings. If he is not healing us it means not he does love us less. He want that we trust Him in good days and in bad days. Yes it seems for us more difficult in bad days to trust him and his loving care. And at all time we can go to our heavenly father in prayer with our burdenfull heart. And asking him for help in our situation.
 
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Rockrz said:
No, I learn from the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

People cannot pass revelation knowledge... but the Holy Spirit can and does.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.






That is no proof God instructed His people to trust in doctors / wisdom of man before coming to Him.

Try again...
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Who taught you to walk and speak when you where born?, rockin boat.

Forget it dusty heart...
 
sparkman

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feelhim said:
Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.
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I am very skeptical of claims by kooky people myself. I believe God does heal, but it is not guaranteed in this lifetime. And, God is more concerned with conforming us to the image of His son, and that sometimes involves suffering. Real believers trust God despite the "evidence". Ultimately our physical bodies will be redeemed though.
 
Rockrz

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Who taught you to walk and speak when you where born?
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See, there ya go being carnally mind again...


We are speaking about learning truth from the Lord, not who taught you to wipe the butt butter off yo backsides

Try to keep up, will ya?

Hang in there... you'll learn a little something someday.
 
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JaumeJ said:
It is difficult for some to understand this, but the Father does heal His children, and they are children always whom He heals..ironic? Nope, it is the Way in the Family....
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But its simply not true. God heals those who do not know Him. But such miracles are limited to the comparatively through whom God chooses to heal.
 
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Rockrz said:
No, I learn from the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
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My, my, and no one else does?

People cannot pass revelation knowledge... but the Holy Spirit can and does.
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Who says yours is revelation knowledge?

1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
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Who has the mind of Christ? ALL Christians. And many disagree with you about how and why God heals.


That is no proof God instructed His people to trust in doctors / wisdom of man before coming to Him.

Try again...
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So you don't ever trust doctors? Only a fool would say that.
 
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Rockrz said:
Riddle me this... WHERE in God's Word did He ever give a call to action to trust the ability and wisdom of man rather than Him???
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There were no reliable doctors in those days. But Timothy heeded Paul about his stomach.

If you can find such passages, I'd be happy to look at them.... otherwise, I'll stick with the Lord's promises for healing as they have kept me well for a lot of years.
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I hope to God you never have my experience. And I do believe in divine healing. But not in your flamboyant way.
 
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Rockrz said:
See, there ya go being carnally mind again...


We are speaking about learning truth from the Lord, not who taught you to wipe the butt butter off yo backsides

Try to keep up, will ya?

Hang in there... you'll learn a little something someday.
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well all I've learned from you is false teaching :)
 
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