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    Default Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.
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    The real help is - do not trust those so called miracles.

    If somebody wants money for their ministry, its always a scam.

    If somebody does not want money for their ministry, you must still examine what he is performing.
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.

    I think your question is over the top referring to those with serious brain injury as " vegetabled people " this surely is not appropriate. God can do anything and yes even heal people with those conditions . I do not know what your objective is in your questioning of why God has not done A or B but please watch your insults .

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    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.
    There was once a 17-year-old Christian who was swimming with her friends. She dove into the water, and floated up a quadriplegic. She still is. Her name is Joni Tada.

    She asked the obvious question, (Why me, God?") and she and her friend Steve spent six months studying scripture to learn that answer.

    Two decades later, I became disabled. And 2-3 years after that, my husband became disabled. Strangely, it wasn't me becoming disabled that I got tripped up on with "Why me, God?" It was hubby becoming disabled, too. At my darkest hour, Joni's book came into my life.

    Here is the book they wrote that answers why God doesn't heal all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.
    BTW, there is a documented case in Florida, where the man died of a heart attack. The doctors tried to save him. Then they called it -- he was dead.

    All the doctors left the room, but one of them was a Christian and heard God telling him to pray. So, he prayed. And 15 minutes later, he clearly heard God tell him to lay hands on already-been-dead-for-quite-some-time-by-now dead guy and pray again. He did.

    The guy came back from the dead 20 minutes after the doctors declared him dead by having hands laid on him and prayer. NOT by CPR or any medical devices.
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    FYI, a quadriplegic is a person who has had both arms and both legs amputated, or is paralyzed. And it's rather disrespectful to call people with disabilities "severely vegetabled". :/

    God heals some, but not others. And the reason why, is usually only known to Him.


    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.





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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_ladybug View Post
    FYI, a quadriplegic is a person who has had both arms and both legs amputated, or is paralyzed. And it's rather disrespectful to call people with disabilities "severely vegetabled". :/

    God heals some, but not others. And the reason why, is usually only known to Him.
    They're actually paralyzed in all four extremities, to keep it accurate.
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    I have often said that in all aspects of the Bible, we will find the God we believe in and look for. If our attitude is that "He cannot", then we will probably never see anything we are sure He cannot do.

    The opposite also seems to be true. People that expect good things from God, often see them.

    But, nowhere is God depicted in Scripture as a Genie in a Lamp.
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.



    My cousin,who is an unbeliever,took a heart attack and slipped into a comma.They said there was no hope,there was no sign of him coming out of it. My mother,a prayer warrior,fell to her knees and begged that God would give him one more chance. We, and our church,believing family surrounded him with prayer. The day they came to take him off support the doctor noticed something,but she wasn't sure. She called another doctor to walk into the room and when he did he saw my cousins eyes follow him across the room. There is no doubt in my mind that that was the hand of God. He is not saved at this moment but I believe he will be. I cannot say why some are healed and others are not.I can only answer as the blind man said "this much I know,once I was blind and now I see!"
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    There was once a 17-year-old Christian who was swimming with her friends. She dove into the water, and floated up a quadriplegic. She still is. Her name is Joni Tada.

    She asked the obvious question, (Why me, God?") and she and her friend Steve spent six months studying scripture to learn that answer.

    Two decades later, I became disabled. And 2-3 years after that, my husband became disabled. Strangely, it wasn't me becoming disabled that I got tripped up on with "Why me, God?" It was hubby becoming disabled, too. At my darkest hour, Joni's book came into my life.

    Here is the book they wrote that answers why God doesn't heal all.
    When God Weeps Book | Joni and Friends | Joni and Friends
    hi i dont have money to buy that book right now but can you tell me pls why God doesnt heal all??? just quicky pls pls pls

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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Hmm, I've learned something about the state of the physical body and cognitive mind.

    PVS is a actual medical term

    What is a coma?

    Coma is a state in which the cortex or higher brain areas of a person are damaged resulting in loss of consciousness, unresponsiveness to pain, sound, touch and light. If lower brain centers are damaged, a respirator may be required for the person to breathe. The damage may be reversible or irreversible.

    What is a Persistent Vegetative State (PVS)?

    A vegetative state exists when a person is able to be awake, but is totally unaware. A person in a vegetative state can no longer “think,” reason, relate meaningfully with his/her environment, recognize the presence of loved ones, or “feel” emotions or discomfort. The higher levels of the brain are no longer functional. A vegetative state is called “persistent” if it lasts for more than four weeks.

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    The Gospels tell of some villages where Jesus only healed a few, "because of their unbelief". We are seeing healing and restoration where there is faith and obedience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungu256 View Post
    hi i dont have money to buy that book right now but can you tell me pls why God doesnt heal all??? just quicky pls pls pls
    It's a whole book for a reason. (As in, if she could have said it all in a couple of paragraphs she would. lol)

    But I am not healed because God knows me well enough not to. If I became healed, give it two weeks, and I would be telling everyone what I did, and I'd be off showing God how good and independent I am.

    And then I'd be falling into deep sin from a boat load of ego. So he reminds me every day how much I need him. I'm still the lamb that needs to be hugged by the Shepherd, or I'm off finding a nice wolf to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shittim View Post
    The Gospels tell of some villages where Jesus only healed a few, "because of their unbelief". We are seeing healing and restoration where there is faith and obedience.
    How did the words "because of their unbelief", become..... a matter of "obedience?" Most of the people Jesus healed just "believed" He could heal them, and it went no further than that for the healing to happen. Let's not add any of the extras we happen to think are necessary to the simple words written.
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    God never promised to heal everyone. The man at the pool of Bethesda was healed, but not everyone else.

    The woman with the issue of blood was healed, but not the crowd around Jesus.

    Christians are led to pray for certain people in the hospital, but not everyone.

    Most of the testimonies heard are about a single person being healed. I've never heard a testimony of a multiple healing.

    God has a time & place for things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen63 View Post
    God never promised to heal everyone. The man at the pool of Bethesda was healed, but not everyone else.

    The woman with the issue of blood was healed, but not the crowd around Jesus.

    Christians are led to pray for certain people in the hospital, but not everyone.

    Most of the testimonies heard are about a single person being healed.
    I've never heard a testimony of a multiple healing.

    God has a time & place for things.
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    Willie- nobody "added" anything

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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by feelhim View Post
    Why doesn't God heal amputees or severely vegetabled people (like quadriplegic people who can't speak) through prayer when mountains are supposed to be moved through prayer? Why are modern, documented miracles just cases where the odds were severely stacked against a possibility, but the outcome was still medically and scientifically explainable. For example, John Doe having cancer with a 40% chance of survival and surviving. Could have been God...but it could have been his 40% chance of survival.

    This is a question that was just thrown at me recently and idk how to deal with it. Please help haha.
    I am not of any of the mentioned religions, but I can tell you why miracles have ceased. Miracles always had a purpose. That is why Paul left Timothy sick- because the purpose of miracles was never for convenience. If that were the case, Jesus could multiply so much bread and fish that we would never have to work for our food, nor would we have need of doctors. But we are on this earth to be tested for heaven, and miracles have to be Willed into that plan.

    So what was the purpose of miracles, and why have they ceased? The purpose of miracles was identification. Anyone in the Old Testament could claim to be a prophet, saying God spoke to them, and we must do "this and this" now. Anyone can make that up, but false prophets could not part waters, control the rain, etc. But now that we have the complete Word of God (Bible), there is no longer need for prophets- and therefore no longer need to identify them by miracles.

    "Where there are prophesies they will cease, where there are tongues they will be stilled. For we know in part, and also prophesy partially, but when completion comes, what was only in part will disappear. BUT these remain- faith, hope, and love." So we may no longer have miracles and prophets, but we still do have faith, hope, and love- the greatest of those being love.

    Miracles also identified the Christ, and His 12 apostles. But when completion came- when Jesus announced at the end of Revelation that scripture was complete, and not to add to it or take away from it, and His 12 apostles died- that was the end of miracles.

    But we still have faith, hope, and love! What does that mean? It means that even though miracles ceased, there is still hope for our needs. "The prayer of a righteous man does much good." Therefore, it is possible, if we have faith, that through the love of righteous men (and women)'s prayers, good things can still happen. They will not be like walking on water, or parting the sea, or the blind suddenly seeing with only mere words, but to heal someone of cancer- that is possible. Not definite though, cause it still has to be according to God's Will, and He purposely left Paul with a "thorn" in his flesh.
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    There was no cessation, I have seen and experienced miracles all my life, to this day, and am walking on a lame leg that was healed through Jesus Christ and His atoning work on the cross.
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    Default Re: Hey Evangelical/Pentacostal/Charismatic types...

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    How did the words "because of their unbelief", become..... a matter of "obedience?" Most of the people Jesus healed just "believed" He could heal them, and it went no further than that for the healing to happen. Let's not add any of the extras we happen to think are necessary to the simple words written.
    I am not answering this, but I will say something about obedience.

    We have many who have the faith to be healed.

    -AND-

    We have very few obedient to the leading of the Holy Spirit to lay hands on them and be used to heal the ones who faith to be healed.

    The greatest weapon Satan has deceived the church with is not hearing the word of God for themselves and then obeying what he tells you to do.

    Boldness to operate in the anointing upon you comes from obedience.

    The issue is not the sick being obedient, it is those self professed "Christians" waiting on a move of God failing to obey to be the move of God!

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