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Jesus said that He lived by the Father inside of Him. He said that it is the Father inside Him who is doing His works - not Jesus. ( He did participate in them with the Father by means of the Holy Spirit )
John 14:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
He said He could do nothing of His own initiative. John 5:30
As Jesus lived by the life of the Father in Him - with total dependence on His life - so we too live by the life of Christ inside of us manifesting His life as a fruit of our union as one spirit with Christ. We too can do nothing without Christ.
John 14:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
He said He could do nothing of His own initiative. John 5:30
As Jesus lived by the life of the Father in Him - with total dependence on His life - so we too live by the life of Christ inside of us manifesting His life as a fruit of our union as one spirit with Christ. We too can do nothing without Christ.
I tell people all the time that Jesus did not do what he did because he was the son of God.
Now hear me out, before jumping.
Acts 10.38 says Jesus did it all through the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was showing us how to do it today.
Those that do not understand the ministry of the Holy Spirit today will tear me apart on this and its fine.
When people learn the truth that Jesus manifested things by anointing and power of the Holy Spirit they are set free.
I am being intentionally careful here, because I do not wish for this thread to overrun with deity Vs. Man dogma.
Acts 10.38 tells you what powers Jesus had and we have that same power available to us today.
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But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” And he arose and departed to his house.
Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
Hmm... Well this is just my thoughts here but Jesus was an example of a true Christian correct? It would make sense if he purposely became a vessel for the holy spirit and father to work through not having any power of his own yet having authority as we who the spirit lives in have no power of ourselves yet have the authority in Christ.
Maybe he does have power just as father and the holy spirit does or maybe not, maybe he purposely gave up his own power to set an example if so that just amazes me even more about his humbleness
Maybe he does have power just as father and the holy spirit does or maybe not, maybe he purposely gave up his own power to set an example if so that just amazes me even more about his humbleness
Much of God is a mystery. Some hold to the idea that Jesus was just a man who got His power from the Spirit and that all of us can do the same thing. I don't go with that one, Jesus was Co Creator with the Father. Also, the Spirit of God is at times called the Spirit of Christ. Also, Jesus was specific that the Spirit would not speak of Himself but would relay what He heard(obviously from the Father & Son). A side note, God actually talked to me at my salvation experience and I suppose that it had to be the Spirit that was speaking, however the Person said to me, you must accept My Son as your Savior. In other words, the Spirit of God spoke to me as the Father.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The word has always been seen as Jesus and it says the word was God. Now being God he could have chosen to have all his powers during his life on earth and who knows maybe he did and only was baptized by the holy spirit as an example and only started his ministry to show that you can only truly do God's work with his spirit.
The thing about the trinity is that they are of one mind and heart however they also seem to have different roles it did appear as Jesus spoke about father as if he was under him but again that could simply be him being an example
The thing about the trinity is that they are of one mind and heart however they also seem to have different roles it did appear as Jesus spoke about father as if he was under him but again that could simply be him being an example
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And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
Now here I think is a good place to start. Some people think that Jesus was in full power since birth taking God in the flesh as like a transporter thing. Scripture reveals a different thing.
Truly jesus is God in the flesh but how it happened is the focus.
Now here I think is a good place to start. Some people think that Jesus was in full power since birth taking God in the flesh as like a transporter thing. Scripture reveals a different thing.
Truly jesus is God in the flesh but how it happened is the focus.
Jesus was not a Christian,he did not follow after the unworthy man, but man followed after him.In st. John ;1; 1,it says that in the beginning was the word,and the word was with God,and the word was God.. the same was in the beginning with God. It also says in verse 13 that which were born,not of blood,nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will, of man, but of God. man had nothing to do with Jesus birth. God said so ,not man.You have God the Father ,the creator, you have Jesus,the word of God.God spoke his word,and whatever he spoke came into existence by they the actions of the Holy Spirit that manifested it all. I know this is hard to understand for some.,but God's word is a mystery to some ,because they have not drawn closer to God as others have in order to see and learn the truth about most things.. If you draw closer to him ,he will draw closer to you, and the closer you get the more of him that will be revealed. Example: you see me, but off from a distance. you can't see all there is of me unless you walk closer, and as you walk closer ,so will I. then you will be able to see me in a lot more detailed, and a much clearer picture.I now have allowed myself to be revealed to you, because you came closer. That's God, my fellow believers.
The baptism of the Christ was not to make Him anymore Christ, as He, at 12, told Mary He needed to be about His Father's business. The reason why He was baptized was as a sign to John the Baptist, that the prophesied Messiah had, indeed come.
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One."[John 1:32-34]
Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One."[John 1:32-34]
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I believe Jesus was born fully man, which means that the power Jesus displayed was given to Him by God the Father, just as any spiritual power we have is given to us by God.
We do not have it innately.
Esau raised a boy from the dead also.
The miracles were a sign that God sent Jesus. The cross was for our redemption and salvation.
We do not have it innately.
Esau raised a boy from the dead also.
The miracles were a sign that God sent Jesus. The cross was for our redemption and salvation.
Ty my friend I can't say for sure this is how it went down but it makes sense that he would do this, I mean people could say to him how he doesn't understand the hardships humans have but they would be wrong because he went through all the things we go through he knows what it's like to be human and he never used his power for himself either