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Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jesus laid aside His glory in heaven to become like His creation that He came to redeem. Jesus never laid aside His divinity. God occupies all of eternity all the time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Jesus laid aside His glory in heaven to become like His creation that He came to redeem. Jesus never laid aside His divinity. God occupies all of eternity all the time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
These are important verses to the discussion. However, all three are in the realm of authority (delegated sovereignty) rather than power (strength, might, or ability). I would suggest that these don't take away from the view that Jesus did nothing by His own power, but rather by that of the Holy Spirit.
There is no record of Jesus doing any miracles before the Holy Spirit came upon Him. While I don't have all the verses handy to back it up, I believe that part of the "emptying" (Philippians 2:7) involved voluntary suspension of powers partly to accomplish His purpose and partly to model reliance on the Spirit for us.
There is no record of Jesus doing any miracles before the Holy Spirit came upon Him. While I don't have all the verses handy to back it up, I believe that part of the "emptying" (Philippians 2:7) involved voluntary suspension of powers partly to accomplish His purpose and partly to model reliance on the Spirit for us.
Dino,
You hit this one squarely on the head.
This going to cause brains to explode around here, especially to those who do not view the ministry of the Holy Spirit is needed for today, or even that there is a baptism of the Holy Spirit or his gifts are valid. This will also make certain WOF people and Pentecostals that do not believe God tests people through trials on edge.
NO miracle took place unto Jesus , himself , was baptized into the Holy Spirit and then validated for ministry through trials.
We see this in Luke 3 and Luke 4, make note of the bold and underlined verses
Luke 3.21-22-
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, [SUP]22 [/SUP]and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”
Now lets look at something I think many miss in Luke 4 that proves no miracle took place until he was baptized in the Holy Spirit and then validated for ministry through 40 days of testing and trialing in the wilderness
Luke 4.1-
4 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness
I am not going to post all verses, but I would urge folks to read Vs 2-13
Now watch something closely in Luke 4.14
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.
Jesus was baptized in water, came out of the water and the Holy Spirit descended UPON him as a Dove, He entered into the wilderness FULL of the Spirit and he exited the wilderness in the POWER of the Spirit.
No lets continue on with Luke 4.15-19
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”
This is an interesting subject and question. This would be how i understand it according to Gods Word.
Jesus is both fully God and fully man. While He was here on earth he "set aside" some part of His divine escence according to Phillipians 2:6-11. And we read in Acts 10:38 that God filled Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power. By the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus was able to cast out demons because only spirit can cast out spirit. But there are also times where by His own power He performs miracles. For example the calming of the storm where very nature obeys His command.
There were times Jesus used His own power and times where the Holy Spirit worked thru Him.
Jesus is both fully God and fully man. While He was here on earth he "set aside" some part of His divine escence according to Phillipians 2:6-11. And we read in Acts 10:38 that God filled Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power. By the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus was able to cast out demons because only spirit can cast out spirit. But there are also times where by His own power He performs miracles. For example the calming of the storm where very nature obeys His command.
There were times Jesus used His own power and times where the Holy Spirit worked thru Him.
so true pc, and that truth gives deeper understanding of Paul's writings because Paul's wisdom is founded upon the gospel. Pauls letters never cross a single principle from the lord, they are furthering our insight into the gospel. When we build a house, we have to build from the foundation upward, if we make a house, and then try to put a foundation under it, it doesn't work and the house is unstable. Or if we build a house on a foundation and then begin jack hammering chunks of the foundation away, it still makes an unstable house.