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    I have no problems with rabbit trails. I think sometimes for complete understanding...one needs to go off track for a moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace777x70 View Post
    I have heard of this before - Jesus cleansing the heavenly temple with His blood. It might be that satan had legal authority to be there because of man handing over authority of the earth over to him.

    I believe that the war in heaven when satan got kicked out of heaven the last time was when Jesus rose from the grace and His blood was sprinkled on the heavenly places.

    John 12:31-33 (KJV)
    31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ( the word men is not in the text - the translators added it..Jesus draws all judgment to Himself )

    33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    Here is the scripture that "seems " to indicate the things in the heavens had to be cleansed. Not sure if this is true or not or whether it means anything to us now. We know that Christ is both our High Priest and our Lamb. What a deal! Have a great salvation we have in Him alone.

    Hebrews 9:19-24 (KJV)
    19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

    20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

    21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

    22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

    23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
    I've heard that principalities and powers are in the second heaven. That's about all I know about it.

    Thanks for the scripture...Hebrews is a book I've never studied. Perhaps it's time.
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    H3727
    כַּפֹּרֶת
    kappôreth
    kap-po'-reth
    From H3722; a lid (used only of the cover of the sacred Ark): - mercy seat.
    Total KJV occurrences: 27

    H3722
    כָּפַר
    kâphar
    kaw-far'
    A primitive root; to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel: - appease, make (an) atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, to pitch, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile (-liation).

    Total KJV occurrences: 102

     
    2283)  (KPR)ac: Cover co: Lid ab: Atonement: A protective covering to go over something or the covering of a debt or wrong. [from: ] (eng: cover - with the exchange of the v and p)
    V)  (K-PR) - Cover: [freq. 102] (vf: Paal, Hitpael, Pual, Piel) |kjv: atonement, purge, reconcile, forgive, purge, pacify, mercy, cleanse, disannul, appease, put, pardon, pitch| {str: 3722}
    bm)  (K-PYR) - I. Village: A village is a community outside of the city walls and covered with protection from the city. II. Young lion: [Unknown connection to root;] [freq. 32] |kjv: lion, village, young| {str: 3715}
    cm)  (K-PWR) - I. Bason: A vessel with a lid cover. II. Frost: As covering the ground. [freq. 9] |kjv: bason, hoarfrost| {str: 3713}
    cf2)  (K-PW-RT) - Lid: As a covering. [freq. 27] |kjv: mercy seat| {str: 3727}
    gm)  (KW-PR) - I. Covering: A covering such as pitch or a monetary covering such as a bribe or ransom. II. Village: A village is a community outside of the city walls and covered with protection from the city. [freq. 19] |kjv: ransom, satisfaction, bribe, camphire, pitch, village| {str: 3723, 3724}

    edm)  (KY-PWR) - Atonement: A covering over of transgression. [freq. 8] |kjv: atonement| {str: 3725}

    Another word picture in the Hebrew of atonement is manna. It looked like frost covering the ground. Seen in the ancient Hebrew lexicon.

    The body and the blood...the sacrifice that Father Himself offers the world through His only Son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    I've heard that principalities and powers are in the second heaven. That's about all I know about it.

    Thanks for the scripture...Hebrews is a book I've never studied. Perhaps it's time.
    Hebrews is a wealth of Knowledge comparing the old and new. notice how it begins in the first 2 sentances and remain in that frame of thought throughout and i bet youll find great worth in the contrast of the covenants, the priesthood, the mediator, the pattern of the first, being manifest in Jesus. also nowitce the warnings and the teaching that we are to look at the people under the first covenant as our example.
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    Hi followjesus

    I just saw the right understanding for leavening in the OT...and it correlates with Pauls teaching about capturing thoughts to the obedience of Messiah.

    It's "sour" like vinegar...and allegorically speaks of wrong thoughts, ideas etc. In the OT, there is a scripture that says not to offer leavened bread with the blood sacrifice.

    Now it's not a "law"...but a practical way of being formed into His image. I like the greek definition for this as a "prescription".

    We always need to keep in mind that the NT is an inheritance, not a contract of deeds by both parties as in the OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Hi followjesus

    I just saw the right understanding for leavening in the OT...and it correlates with Pauls teaching about capturing thoughts to the obedience of Messiah.

    It's "sour" like vinegar...and allegorically speaks of wrong thoughts, ideas etc. In the OT, there is a scripture that says not to offer leavened bread with the blood sacrifice.

    Now it's not a "law"...but a practical way of being formed into His image. I like the greek definition for this as a "prescription".

    We always need to keep in mind that the NT is an inheritance, not a contract of deeds by both parties as in the OT.

    Only have a minute...later...blessngs
    Yeah, if you notice along that thought line, how Jesus teachings are focused first on our thoughts and attitudes. For example, the law of Moses defines adultery as an action, but when you are in the gospel Jesus gives the inner teaching about the lust in our heart being adultery within. What u are saying there corresponds to the teachings of Jesus. He is teaching about the spirit within us, the heart. The o.t. Promised God would circumcise the heart, and that's sort of the same idea as unleavening the bread as you are saying. The gospel teachings, the words he spoke the messages they carry are what transforms our inner things so that our outer things become clean. Most all of his teachings deal with removing the wrong thoughts and motives in us. "Clean the inside of the dish, and the outside will also be clean"

    Our inner man is where our outer actions come from, when our thinking changes it will bring the actions that come from the heart " what is in the heart is what makes a man unclean." That thought you are pointing to is a good one, it's one of the main purposes of the gospel.
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    Out of the heart the mouth speaks...

    ~Pro 15:28  The mind of the righteous thinks before speaking, but the wicked person spews out evil. 

    A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

    Good post follow..I would rep but must wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevenseas View Post
    LOL! after your responses in the other thread I don't think you would give a fig what I thought

    I just love the little sarcastic thing you have going on that you disguise as though patting a silly puppy on the head

    I am really learning some things around this place today.

    I don't know why you even had to mention me other than as some sort of jab because I never said you or anyone else specifically used the phrase 'I plead the blood'

    enjoy your thread
    This style reminds me of a former member.

    Are you back,or am I thinking of someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    If so...What is the significance of this?

    And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
    Pleading the blood is simply invoking the blood.

    Not a bad thing. I know it is protection for our loved ones. It is good to cover one's self,and family in it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by popeye View Post
    Pleading the blood is simply invoking the blood.

    Not a bad thing. I know it is protection for our loved ones. It is good to cover one's self,and family in it.

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    Do you have a personal experience from doing this Popeye?

    For me, it's always His name or His Word.

    I read an article once where a mother did this over her children before they left their house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Gods DNA?

    I have a question here. Did the heavens have to be cleansed? I've heard this but don't know where it comes from.
    The heavens didn't need to be cleansed.

    The person who sprinkled blood on the mercy seat and sat on the mercy seat was the Intercessor for the people.

    That innocent blood and the prayer of the High Priest is what was the covering for all the peoples sins before God, if He would accept the Intercession.


    There is no question about the Power of the Blood of Christ or His Intercession for us. If the shadow of the mercy seat could intercede for Gods People then we Know that Christs own Blood and Intercession do much more.

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    Post # 40 by grace777 explained why the heavens were cleaned. It wasn't a need of cleansing, but the finished work of Jesus. The OT mercy seat was finished by Moses and the sacrificial blood of animals.

    Jesus did it then in the heavenlies.

    I misunderstood the reason why they would be cleansed.

    Hope I didn't confuse anything about your post grace.
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    Consider the possibility that it could be true...

    Ron Wyatt Discovers ARK OF COVENANT and JESUS BLOOD SAMPLE

    Research Ron Wyatt's discovery of the Ark under the crucifixion site.

    He says the blood that gushed out of the Lord's side ran down into a crack in the rock and onto the Mercy Seat.

    The Lord's blood - at the time of His crucifixion - literally and physically - dripping onto the Mercy Seat.

    Powerful!
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    This one has a bit more explanation...

    Ron Wyatt blood of Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Out of the heart the mouth speaks...

    ~Pro 15:28  The mind of the righteous thinks before speaking, but the wicked person spews out evil. 

    A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

    Good post follow..I would rep but must wait.
    amen , i love proverbs it truly is a book of wisdom, i find the begining of it reminds me of Jesus where its "wisdom" speaking. in fact the whole structure of proverbs reminds me of the gospel lol but these days almost everythong in the word does so.

    matthew 15:19-20 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." << to me there is such a transition from the law of moses, to the gospel, from the laws of flesh, or what some call " carnal commands" to the gospel of spirit and truth focused much more on the heart.

    deuteronomy 30:6 "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live." again in my own understanding the gospel is the fulfillment of this which God sais several times beginning in the law, through the prophets...and then after the gospels, paul speaks of the circumcision of Christ. i firmly believe it is through His teachings that this is accomplished, taking hearts of stone and making them tender and receptive and able to Love God His way, which is to Love one another, His way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Post # 40 by grace777 explained why the heavens were cleaned. It wasn't a need of cleansing, but the finished work of Jesus. The OT mercy seat was finished by Moses and the sacrificial blood of animals.

    Jesus did it then in the heavenlies.

    I misunderstood the reason why they would be cleansed.

    Hope I didn't confuse anything about your post grace.
    i believe the heavens did need cleansing being that there is evil in those heavenly realms. and then in revelation we see the war in Heaven when the dragon is cast out just after the " male child" is snatched up to the throne. the cleansing in my own belief would be when Jesus the lamb is exalted, opens the seals, and then the dragon is cast out later in rev 12, there is a new Heaven coming with the new earth, so something was wrong in the first, like the earth. << my own unwarranted view tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    I've heard that principalities and powers are in the second heaven. That's about all I know about it.

    Thanks for the scripture...Hebrews is a book I've never studied. Perhaps it's time.
    and this also

    2 peter 3:7 "But by the same word now the heavens and the earth exist, having been stored up for fire, being kept unto the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men."

    and 2 peter 310-13 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."



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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Do you have a personal experience from doing this Popeye?

    For me, it's always His name or His Word.

    I read an article once where a mother did this over her children before they left their house.
    For me,everything is fresh. His shed blood,his suffering,death,and resurrection is fresh.

    Therefore the blood of the lamb applied to the "door frame" is also fresh.

    Bob Larson does a lot of deliverance. The demons shriek at the blood. It is on YouTube,but brace yourself. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by followjesus View Post
    i believe the heavens did need cleansing being that there is evil in those heavenly realms. and then in revelation we see the war in Heaven when the dragon is cast out just after the " male child" is snatched up to the throne. the cleansing in my own belief would be when Jesus the lamb is exalted, opens the seals, and then the dragon is cast out later in rev 12, there is a new Heaven coming with the new earth, so something was wrong in the first, like the earth. << my own unwarranted view tho
    In the earthly tabernacle there was the laver to wash the priests hands in.

    That article of furniture and a few others,like the brazen altar,are missing in the heavenly one.

    The whole idea of cleansing has to do with the impossibility of sin occupying God's space or presence. There is no sin in heaven.

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    The Christian has 3 basic enemies
    The world
    The flesh
    And the devil.

    The overcomer overcomes these enemies.

    At death,he is or isn't an overcomer.

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