Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

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popeye

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Consider the possibility that it could be true...

Ron Wyatt Discovers ARK OF COVENANT and JESUS BLOOD SAMPLE

Research Ron Wyatt's discovery of the Ark under the crucifixion site.

He says the blood that gushed out of the Lord's side ran down into a crack in the rock and onto the Mercy Seat.

The Lord's blood - at the time of His crucifixion - literally and physically - dripping onto the Mercy Seat.

Powerful!
There is a dilemma there.

It ASSUMES that there was no mercy seat in the Holy of Holies.

That in itself would make the rending of the Vail pointless and the 3 sacrifices by the Levitical priest pointless.
 
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popeye

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I have heard of this before - Jesus cleansing the heavenly temple with His blood. It might be that satan had legal authority to be there because of man handing over authority of the earth over to him.

I believe that the war in heaven when satan got kicked out of heaven the last time was when Jesus rose from the grace and His blood was sprinkled on the heavenly places.

John 12:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. ( the word men is not in the text - the translators added it..Jesus draws all judgment to Himself )

[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Here is the scripture that "seems " to indicate the things in the heavens had to be cleansed. Not sure if this is true or not or whether it means anything to us now. We know that Christ is both our High Priest and our Lamb. What a deal! Have a great salvation we have in Him alone.

Hebrews 9:19-24 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

[SUP]20 [/SUP] Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Ok,the only thing is,the high priest entered the HOH to cleanse people,not anything else.

In the heavenly temple there are no sinners in heaven to cleanse. So nothing in heaven needed any cleansing
 
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ok. Thanks.

Anyone else?
My two cents...

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life has no spirit life to offer... it simply cannot work, it in the end it returns to the dust from where it was taken from. It could never enter the kingdom of God as that which is corrupted.

Because without parables (Matthew 13:34) defined by the law of interpretation below (2Co 4:18 ) the word of God spoke not, hiding that not seen (the spiritual) the eternal from natural man using that seen, In this case blood and flesh to give us as a demonstration of a work that not seen….. the spiritual understanding so that we then can compare the spiritual not seen, to the spiritual not seen.( faith to faith)And not the literal to the literal and lose the spiritual understanding.

We walk by the unseen spiritual, not the literal that could never profit as Christ informs us in respect to his own flesh and blood (.it cannot profit)

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


This is clearly seen in a parable found in the Old Testament. This helps us understand when Christ said “drink my blood” it was a indication he was pouring out His Sprit life not seen, on flesh seen and not pour out flesh that seen on spirit not seen .He gave His own Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit. God is Spirit. He cannot die. Comparing the spiritual to the spiritual we can see how the gospel of Christ in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand was used to give the Old Testament saint a living faith.

Literally it makes no sense.

Blood that seen represents spirit not seen is needed for the promise is he would pour out His Spirit life, that not seen


And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!

The camp, garrison represents under the attack of the enemy of our soul (the father of lies) The well typified as the living water of the word. The gate Christ in whom we enter into fellowship.

And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the LORD.(not seen) And he said, Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.
Sa 23:14

 

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There is a dilemma there.

It ASSUMES that there was no mercy seat in the Holy of Holies.

That in itself would make the rending of the Vail pointless and the 3 sacrifices by the Levitical priest pointless.

True. The articles weren't hidden until the destruction of the temple.
 

stonesoffire

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Dr. DeHaan

It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the foetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
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Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.



So the bloodline comes through the Father...who is God.
 
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GaryA

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There is a dilemma there.

It ASSUMES that there was no mercy seat in the Holy of Holies.

That in itself would make the rending of the Vail pointless and the 3 sacrifices by the Levitical priest pointless.
True. The articles weren't hidden until the destruction of the temple.
Whaaaaaaaaaat?

The Mercy Seat was on the top of the Ark. The Ark was hidden for hundreds of years before the crucifixion of Christ.

Somebody needs to go back into the O.T. and read about the sprinkling of the blood of the sacrifice on the Mercy Seat...?

It does not make anything pointless -- every part of it has its significance.
 
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popeye

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Whaaaaaaaaaat?

The Mercy Seat was on the top of the Ark. The Ark was hidden for hundreds of years before the crucifixion of Christ.

Somebody needs to go back into the O.T. and read about the sprinkling of the blood of the sacrifice on the Mercy Seat...?

It does not make anything pointless -- every part of it has its significance.
You are saying there was no ark in the HOH at the time of Jesus' crucifixion.

That is what you say.

I disagree. because without a ark in the HOH,the rending of the vail made nothing at all available,because that is the only article of furniture in there.

You are saying,in essence,the high priest entered an empty room,and the vail was torn leading into an empty room.

I believe the ron wyatt claim that the ark was under the cross in a cave,and Jesus blood ran down onto it is some made up deal.
 
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If so...What is the significance of this?
Read Hebrews 9




And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
Why, that's very unfortunate for you that you no longer declare the Blood of Jesus has washed you clean.

satan is very, very happy to hear you say that. A major offensive weapon against him is apparently not going to be used where you're concerned, so he's happy to hear about that


It's not "pleading" as in begging... if you were charged with a crime and the judge asks you how you plead and you say "not guilty"... you're not begging him to allow you to enter that plea. No, you would be making a public declaration.

It's declaring what he Blood of Jesus represents for you and your life which is His completed Work of Salvation having been manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Ya'll do what ever it is you wanna do... I'm declaring the destruction of satan's works where my life and my household are concerned.

satan come up in here he's gonna be met with God's Word beating Him silly, which includes declaration of what the Blood of Jesus has done... made me free to be my Father's victorious child!!!
 
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Ron Wyatt Discovers ARK OF COVENANT and JESUS BLOOD SAMPLE
That's not possible cause Jesus took all His Blood to the Father... to obtain eternal redemption for us

Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
 
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That's not possible cause Jesus took all His Blood to the Father... to obtain eternal redemption for us

Hebrews 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Did he sop up the blood that gushed out before the water when speared in the side.........
 
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Another thing overlooked.....everything in holiest of holies was a representation of what was in heaven.....
 
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Now I see the significance of the blood, the commandments, the blood on the lid of
the ark, covering the failure to keep the 10 commandments held in the ark.

This is the exact symbolism of the cross and what it means.
The blood purifies us from the judgement of the law and our condemnation.

The 10 commandments are the eternal principles of the Lord in our lives, Amen,
and Christ is the atoning sacrifice that brings resolution, Amen.
 
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Did he sop up the blood that gushed out before the water when speared in the side.........
No, He used a shop vac He bought with His debit card down at Home Depot!


God said in Hebrews 9:12 that "by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place"

We'll have to ask the Lord by what method He used to gather all His shed Blood to take it with Him to Heaven.

He is all powerful and the Creator of all things so... it was so because He decided that this is how it would be.

When God commands something, it just happens supernaturally and mankind's little pea brain sits around trying to figure out how He did it.

Why not simply believe what God said and know that He is capable of doing exactly what He said?

I learned long ago that this is something the Lord enjoys... when His people take Him at His Word and do not speak or thing as though it's possible He did not do exactly what He said He did.
 

stonesoffire

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Read Hebrews 9






Why, that's very unfortunate for you that you no longer declare the Blood of Jesus has washed you clean.

satan is very, very happy to hear you say that. A major offensive weapon against him is apparently not going to be used where you're concerned, so he's happy to hear about that


It's not "pleading" as in begging... if you were charged with a crime and the judge asks you how you plead and you say "not guilty"... you're not begging him to allow you to enter that plea. No, you would be making a public declaration.

It's declaring what he Blood of Jesus represents for you and your life which is His completed Work of Salvation having been manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Ya'll do what ever it is you wanna do... I'm declaring the destruction of satan's works where my life and my household are concerned.

satan come up in here he's gonna be met with God's Word beating Him silly, which includes declaration of what the Blood of Jesus has done... made me free to be my Father's victorious child!!!

In a superstitious way as protection from the enemy. His Name! Devils run from it.
 

stonesoffire

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Now I see the significance of the blood, the commandments, the blood on the lid of
the ark, covering the failure to keep the 10 commandments held in the ark.

This is the exact symbolism of the cross and what it means.
The blood purifies us from the judgement of the law and our condemnation.

The 10 commandments are the eternal principles of the Lord in our lives, Amen,
and Christ is the atoning sacrifice that brings resolution, Amen.
And do you see the cry of mercy to the world from His blood there? If only they...the law is covered by blood...
 
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In a superstitious way as protection from the enemy. His Name! Devils run from it.
And, His Name represents His Blood and all of His finished works as well as His current position as Victor over all evil.

Jesus does not appreciate His Blood being called "superstitious" but satan gets a kick out of it... he's probably giggling with a few of his demons about that now
 
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And, His Name represents His Blood and all of His finished works as well as His current position as Victor over all evil.

Jesus does not appreciate His Blood being called "superstitious" but satan gets a kick out of it... he's probably giggling with a few of his demons about that now
Book, Chapter and verse that the Blood represents Christ name please?

Show me where the Blood of Christ makes every knee bow and tongue confess.
 
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Read Hebrews 9






Why, that's very unfortunate for you that you no longer declare the Blood of Jesus has washed you clean.

satan is very, very happy to hear you say that. A major offensive weapon against him is apparently not going to be used where you're concerned, so he's happy to hear about that


It's not "pleading" as in begging... if you were charged with a crime and the judge asks you how you plead and you say "not guilty"... you're not begging him to allow you to enter that plea. No, you would be making a public declaration.

It's declaring what he Blood of Jesus represents for you and your life which is His completed Work of Salvation having been manifested to destroy the works of the devil.

Ya'll do what ever it is you wanna do... I'm declaring the destruction of satan's works where my life and my household are concerned.

satan come up in here he's gonna be met with God's Word beating Him silly, which includes declaration of what the Blood of Jesus has done... made me free to be my Father's victorious child!!!
There are only 2 things the Blood of Jesus do for us.

Forgive SIN
Ransom us from the powers of darkness

There is no indication in the scriptures that the Blood of Jesus protects you. Exodus 12 was not about protection it was about deliverance.
 
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You are saying there was no ark in the HOH at the time of Jesus' crucifixion.

That is what you say.

I disagree. because without a ark in the HOH,the rending of the vail made nothing at all available,because that is the only article of furniture in there.

You are saying,in essence,the high priest entered an empty room,and the vail was torn leading into an empty room.

I believe the ron wyatt claim that the ark was under the cross in a cave,and Jesus blood ran down onto it is some made up deal.
Ron Wyatt is dead and so are his discoveries.
 
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There are only 2 things the Blood of Jesus do for us.

Forgive SIN
Ransom us from the powers of darkness

There is no indication in the scriptures that the Blood of Jesus protects you. Exodus 12 was not about protection it was about deliverance.
I agree. The "pleading of the blood" is a Pentecostal belief that has been taught and thus become a tradition.

"If" I wanted to "plead the blood" I would say - all my sins have been washed away by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I would confess this:

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

I would confess that I am declared justified - righteous.

Romans 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

I would confess I have redemption now - the forgiveness of sins: and it is all according to the riches of His grace.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;