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    Default Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    If so...What is the significance of this?

    And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    If so...What is the significance of this?

    And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
    LOL! after your responses in the other thread I don't think you would give a fig what I thought

    I just love the little sarcastic thing you have going on that you disguise as though patting a silly puppy on the head

    I am really learning some things around this place today.

    I don't know why you even had to mention me other than as some sort of jab because I never said you or anyone else specifically used the phrase 'I plead the blood'

    enjoy your thread
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Isn't this a post from you to me? I was answering you. A bit touchy are we?




    the blood of Christ has redeemed us entirely from every curse and every demon and the devil himself

    however, we need to avail ourselves of it

    this does not include the expression 'I plead the blood' that is not even in the Bible

    this could be a big discussion in and of itself but I have kind of overdosed on this site today LOL!

    I think there are differing 'opinions' but the word of God has the final say

    I also think a thread devoted to that would be a better thing
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    I guess I'll answer my post.

    I believe this is exactly what Jesus did. Blood has a voice in the spiritual realm. There are two scriptures that I know say this, maybe a third but would have to check.

    The blood of Jesus speaks better things than that of Abel. Abels blood would cry for vengeance, but Jesus's blood cries mercy to the world.

    And His blood is the intercession of Jesus that continually speaks. This truth answers many different threads.

    plus, when someone says that Father sees Jesus when He looks at us? It's truth.

    Am sure there is more. Right now my study is taking a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    Am sure there is more.
    More what? More of your subjectivity and error?

    Right now my study is taking a different way.
    Your "study?" Seriously????

    What "study?" You've shown no "study" at all. Mysticism mixed with a very small percentage of diluted truth here and there and drowned in error.

    But "study?"

    No, sorry, there has been no "study" whatsoever on your part, and you know that's the truth.
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    ok. Thanks.

    Anyone else?
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Gen 4:10 "What did you do?" God asked. "Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground.

    Rev 6:10 They cried out in a loud voice, "Holy and true Sovereign, how long will it be before you judge and take revenge on those living on the earth who shed our blood?"

    Heb 12:24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel's.

    Be back tomorrow with more.
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    If so...What is the significance of this?

    And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
    The same as the High Priest going in to the holy of holies,once a year to atone for the sins of Israel as a nation,and put the blood on the mercy seat,but the blood of Jesus is once for all.

    That is why Jesus said to Mary,do not touch Me for I have not yet ascended to My Father.He could not be touched until he went to heaven,and when He came back Thomas put His hand in His side,and his finger in the holes of His hands,and said,my Lord and my God.

    Jesus said the law shall not pass until all be fulfilled,which Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament,for He was the perfect sacrifice,perfect saint,perfect King,perfect High Priest,perfect Judge,fulfilled the 10 commandments,and the laws of love,and moral laws,bieng sinless,perfect mediator,,and He had to fulfill the Old Testament tabernacle plan,and is the bread of heaven,and blood that washes away sins once for all,and does not have to be shed year after year like in the Old Testament.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    If so...What is the significance of this?

    And no sevenseas...I don't plead the blood. Maybe in my youth...but we all eventually grow up. "hopefully"
    leviticus 16, explains what the mercy seat was used for regarding the blood of atonement. the shedding of blood in the ot, was a foreshadow of what Jesus would do for us. the animals blood never had the forgiveness in it, when they slaughtered a bull, and goat thier forgiveness was still based on Jesus blood. the entire ot is that way. its a pattern of what Jesus would do, to really understand it, we need to look at the process they did. it wasnt only the shedding of blood that was involved, but the transfer of thier sin onto the animal first. when thay did that, then the animal was put to death for thier sin. "the life is in the blood" so really saying the blood of Jesus, were talking about His life that was shed for us.

    it becomes very personal when our sins are transferred onto the Lamb of atonement ( Jesus) and when this occurs repentance is something we need to accept and move into, because the reality of Jesus dying for the sins we have commited becomes a revealtion, and His suffering, shame, tears and agony are placed on Him because of the persons sins. the knowledge of things like you began here is very important to have a full understanding of, to really grasp the cross, we need to look back to the pattern of the Law. and then we find a tenderness of Heart for the One who did what He did willingly, and on our behalf.
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Remember when he said, "Don't touch me, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" In my mind the significance of that was two fold...

    a. If touched it would have ruined his offering as it would have been tainted
    b. He was ascending to do exactly what you describe as the great High Priest and advocate of humanity or mediator between God and Men...

    Just my view off the cuff at 518 P.M. Friday night from Penrith Australia

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    Heb 9.24-28; 10.11-22; 13.!2

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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    It is the shedding of the Lord Jesus' blood that obtained an eternal redemption for us. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

    Hebrews 9:11-12 (KJV)
    11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


    Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
    13
    For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,


    14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

    Now...the real question is: Are we going to "confess" - which means to say the same thing as what our Father says about us because we are in Christ and He is in us?

    1 John 4:15-18 (NASB)
    15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.


    16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

    17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

    18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    The Bible has given us instructions as to what the blood is in Leviticus 17:10-14 ‘And whatever man of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’ 12 Therefore I said to the children of Israel, ‘No one among you shall eat blood, nor shall any stranger who dwells among you eat blood.’ 13 “Whatever man of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who hunts and catches any animal or bird that may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with dust; 14 for it is the life of all flesh. Its blood sustains its life. Therefore I said to the children of Israel, ‘You shall not eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.’


    The word blood mean life, the blood of Jesus is the life of Jesus, why don't people plead the life of Jesus,
    because that what the meaning of blood in the Bible means, when talking about blood. Abel's blood cried out from the ground. The is saying that Abel's life is crying out.

    Hebrews 9:13-15
    For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

    As for the life of Abel in Hebrew 12:22-24 "
    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

    The writer of Hebrews also says the redemption is by means of death, yet the blood of Christ was offered by the eternal Spirit to the Father. Blood is simply saying life through death, how else do you get the blood from living flesh? There is not mystical meaning behind it and only the super spiritual understand it. Pleading the blood of Jesus and all the other blood stuff outside of what
    Leviticus teaches all came for the teaching of E. W. Kenyon in his book, The blood Covenant, Two kinds of Faith, Two kinds of Knowledge and What happened from the Cross to the Throne, I read all of those and others of his. Which got me stirred up and believe all types of non-sense. He was a eastern mysticism teacher masked in Christianity.

    He had heavy influence on all the WoF leaders. That's why they always teach how we are gods, in the sense that we are gods like God, with the clean up of under God. I know the Bible says you are gods, in Psalm 82:6 and Jesus quoted it, look at what it says, it's self explanatory when read in context "
    I said, “You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High. 7 But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.” 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; for You shall inherit all nations.

    It
    describes God as judge of the earth, and the children of Israel were gods as in children of God, that's why Jesus quoted it, He was expressing that they are sons or children of God, why it is blasphemy for Him to be the Son of God, with testimony of the works of God. But Kenyon and his followers the WoF group. Have changed this to mean that they have the same authority as the Lord, why do you think they have such a low view of the Lord to the point that they speak to Him as if He is subject to them and not they to Him. The their praying with the words "Lord I command you" That whole phase is self defeating, if He is your LORD how can you command Him? What they are really saying is lord WE command you. Because the way it really works is the LORD​ commands us and we obey, not the other way around.
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    I have heard the phrase "plead the blood" from the Pentecostal church I went to after I believed in the Lord. They had nothing to do with Kenyon. It's a Pentecostal belief. I personally don't believe in the phrase myself but I don't berate people that do believe it either.

    I personally believe Kenyon's understanding of the 2 kinds of righteousness is basic Christianity. The gospel of the grace of God in Christ has been so watered down now that when the truth shows up - we are against it because of our church teachings and traditions.
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    Jesus's blood is the symbol of his life given for us. We are not to eat or drink blood because
    it has life within it.

    For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.
    Lev 17:11

    The blood of Christ is the atoning sacrifice, so it is the essential part of the
    cross.

    Blood is significant enough for christians being banned from eating it by
    the apostles.

    You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality
    Acts 15:29

    I found this interesting as black pudding is dried blood, a sinful practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonesoffire View Post
    I guess I'll answer my post.

    I believe this is exactly what Jesus did. Blood has a voice in the spiritual realm. There are two scriptures that I know say this, maybe a third but would have to check.

    The blood of Jesus speaks better things than that of Abel. Abels blood would cry for vengeance, but Jesus's blood cries mercy to the world.

    And His blood is the intercession of Jesus that continually speaks. This truth answers many different threads.

    plus, when someone says that Father sees Jesus when He looks at us? It's truth.

    Am sure there is more. Right now my study is taking a different way.
    We know that Jesus sprinkled his spiritual blood on the spiritual mercy seat because Aaron did it in the physical realm. The question should be, what is spiritual blood and the spiritual mercy seat.
    Psalm 12:6 KJV
    The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJV1611 View Post
    We know that Jesus sprinkled his spiritual blood on the spiritual mercy seat because Aaron did it in the physical realm. The question should be, what is spiritual blood and the spiritual mercy seat.

    Yes...all the law of Moses is a shadow of the real - which is Christ Himself - He is the real substance. It all speaks of Christ Himself.
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    holiness hears the heart voice of the Spirit and not an old head noise of the letter

    of the word. The Pharisees knew "bible knowledge" but they did not

    know God's heart and so they erred in really understanding what the

    scriptures were saying.


    The Lord wants us to look through His eyes and to live from His heart towards

    people, towards Him and towards ourselves as well.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    I dont understand, whats wrong with 'pleading the blood'?

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    I believe the cloven tongues like as of fire of Acts 2 was God's indication that the Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice was acceptable to Him.


    Acts 2:

    1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

    3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

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    Default Re: Did Jesus pour His blood on the mercy seat before Father in heaven?

    Quote Originally Posted by reneweddaybyday View Post
    I believe the cloven tongues like as of fire of Acts 2 was God's indication that the Lord Jesus Christ's sacrifice was acceptable to Him.


    Acts 2:

    1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

    2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

    3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    Probably a better illustration is Isaiah 6

    Isaiah 6:5 ¶ Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
    6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
    7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
    8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
    9 ¶ And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

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