God is In Control?
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[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Ok here are a few quick ones from a brief look up an memory . Time will be needed for a in depth answer
Isaiah 45:6-7[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]6 that people may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is none besides me;
I am the Lord, and there is no other.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the Lord, who does all these things.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Isaiah41:10 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Job 12:10[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Proverbs 16:9 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
[/FONT][/FONT] Blessings
Bill
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Isaiah 45:6-7[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]6 that people may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is none besides me;
I am the Lord, and there is no other.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the Lord, who does all these things.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Isaiah41:10 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Job 12:10[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]Proverbs 16:9 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText]The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
[/FONT][/FONT] Blessings
Bill
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Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Yes but not over everything. What about a certain tree? Remember chapter 3 we have the fall of man . God casts out Adam and Eve from the garden. If all authority was given to man and God did not retain some control His removal of Adam and Eve would be out of character for a righteous God . God then curses the land how can God curse a land that is ultimately not His ? God may have given man dominion over the land for mans use ,still God has ultimate authority an control.
Blessings
Bill
Blessings
Bill
and then... genesis 3
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
which led to genesis 6
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
notice satan is now wielding mans dominion to do evil.<< this is adams dominion being used by satan to do His will its the "work of the devil Jesus came to destroy.
1 john 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
how?
colossians 2 :14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, ( see deut. 31:26) which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
when ?
john 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
the result .
matt 28:18"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
what happened that changed us from captives to freed men ?
acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he ( Jesus)hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
its all a plan, we have to be born again because adam sold us into sin and death with his dominion giving it to satan in eden, Jesus has now destroyed that work of satan, in order to put in us the will of God, rather than remain in satans will.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
which led to genesis 6
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
notice satan is now wielding mans dominion to do evil.<< this is adams dominion being used by satan to do His will its the "work of the devil Jesus came to destroy.
1 john 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
how?
colossians 2 :14-15 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, ( see deut. 31:26) which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
when ?
john 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
the result .
matt 28:18"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
what happened that changed us from captives to freed men ?
acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he ( Jesus)hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
its all a plan, we have to be born again because adam sold us into sin and death with his dominion giving it to satan in eden, Jesus has now destroyed that work of satan, in order to put in us the will of God, rather than remain in satans will.
LOL Well? Is it good enough? No? Ok Psalm 115:16 Heaven belongs to Adonai, but the earth he has given to humankind.
Wow. You ARE tired. We, Christians are in control Psalm 115:16 Heaven belongs to Adonai, but the earth he has given to humankind.
I've already given you three scriptures.
I've already given you three scriptures.
I believe it is all 'one earth...right here where we are....but
GOD had planted a smal part of it as HIS GARDEN and put HIS PRESENCE there - spiritually. This garden was to be an example and experience for man(kind) to LEARN the right way of PRESERVING/cultivating it....starting at the beginning.
We see from Revelation at the end that God will come down to this earth to be with man....so there can be no 'other earth anywhere else ?
I see it as the same world but ''presently physically ruined by man because of disobedience to God. WHEN it has been cleansed (by fire) there will also be a ''new man God has created to do God's work in HIS garden.
GOD had planted a smal part of it as HIS GARDEN and put HIS PRESENCE there - spiritually. This garden was to be an example and experience for man(kind) to LEARN the right way of PRESERVING/cultivating it....starting at the beginning.
We see from Revelation at the end that God will come down to this earth to be with man....so there can be no 'other earth anywhere else ?
I see it as the same world but ''presently physically ruined by man because of disobedience to God. WHEN it has been cleansed (by fire) there will also be a ''new man God has created to do God's work in HIS garden.
Ok look at the whole psalm
Psalm 115King James Version (KJV)
115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
9 O Israel, trust thou in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
10 O house of Aaron, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
11 Ye that fear the Lord, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
12 The Lord hath been mindful of us: he will bless us; he will bless the house of Israel; he will bless the house of Aaron.
13 He will bless them that fear the Lord, both small and great.
14 The Lord shall increase you more and more, you and your children.
15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.
If man is in complete control how would The LORD legally being a righteous God bless man for his behavior?
Yes he has turned over a certain amount of control or authority over to man , still ultimately all falls under His divine authority.
If not God wouldn't have the authority to bring judgment upon man . God has exercised control through blessings and curses in the past. He continues his authority through to this day through God the son Jesus
Hebrew 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
He upholds all things . Not so much as making us ill relevant but exercising enough control and giving us his grace so that we don't destroy ourselves .
Also what about prophecy? How can God bring about his ultimate will on judgment day if he has no control or authority over the earth and man if it is all given to us ?
Blesdings
Bill
Psalm 115King James Version (KJV)
115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.
2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?
3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
9 O Israel, trust thou in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
10 O house of Aaron, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
11 Ye that fear the Lord, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield.
12 The Lord hath been mindful of us: he will bless us; he will bless the house of Israel; he will bless the house of Aaron.
13 He will bless them that fear the Lord, both small and great.
14 The Lord shall increase you more and more, you and your children.
15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.
If man is in complete control how would The LORD legally being a righteous God bless man for his behavior?
Yes he has turned over a certain amount of control or authority over to man , still ultimately all falls under His divine authority.
If not God wouldn't have the authority to bring judgment upon man . God has exercised control through blessings and curses in the past. He continues his authority through to this day through God the son Jesus
Hebrew 1:2-3
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
He upholds all things . Not so much as making us ill relevant but exercising enough control and giving us his grace so that we don't destroy ourselves .
Also what about prophecy? How can God bring about his ultimate will on judgment day if he has no control or authority over the earth and man if it is all given to us ?
Blesdings
Bill
"I'm a born again spirit filled believer in Jesus the Anointed One. I walk, or at least I try to walk in His anointing. I fall a lot so I'm in no position to judge anybody who falls too."
Denadii'
This is your introduction above.
Today you seem to be pushing a theory that the Garden of Eden was not on Earth, and that somehow this translates into God having no authority on Earth.
Perhaps you can explain where Lalaland, I mean the Garden of Eden, was and by what means, astral travel perhaps, Adam and his wife reached Earth after being banished from the Garden, and why there is no Biblical evidence for this ridiculous claim?
Furthermore, there is an agenda, still hidden away, why you are pushing such outlandish theories.
To me it seems you have more in common with Mormans than Christians.
You can clear this up by coming clean - as I requested before - and if I am wrong I will apologise for casting doubt on you.
Denadii'
This is your introduction above.
Today you seem to be pushing a theory that the Garden of Eden was not on Earth, and that somehow this translates into God having no authority on Earth.
Perhaps you can explain where Lalaland, I mean the Garden of Eden, was and by what means, astral travel perhaps, Adam and his wife reached Earth after being banished from the Garden, and why there is no Biblical evidence for this ridiculous claim?
Furthermore, there is an agenda, still hidden away, why you are pushing such outlandish theories.
To me it seems you have more in common with Mormans than Christians.
You can clear this up by coming clean - as I requested before - and if I am wrong I will apologise for casting doubt on you.
I seriously can't believe this is even a question! Do you not read your Bibles???
Psalm 50:7-12
7 “Hear, O my people, and I will speak;
O Israel, I will testify against you.
I am God, your God.
8 Not for your sacrifices do I rebuke you;
your burnt offerings are continually before me.
9 I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is mine.
12 “If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness are mine." Psalm 50:7-12
"24 The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein," Psalm 24:1
And for those of you who don't think the OT counts, here is the last verse quoted in the NT by Paul:
"For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.” 1 Cor. 10:26
And a personal favourite of mine, which screams "God is in control!"
"Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,
“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God
The almighty reigns" Rev 19:6
Psalm 50:7-12
7 “Hear, O my people, and I will speak;
O Israel, I will testify against you.
I am God, your God.
8 Not for your sacrifices do I rebuke you;
your burnt offerings are continually before me.
9 I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is mine,
the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know all the birds of the hills,
and all that moves in the field is mine.
12 “If I were hungry, I would not tell you,
for the world and its fullness are mine." Psalm 50:7-12
"24 The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof,
the world and those who dwell therein," Psalm 24:1
And for those of you who don't think the OT counts, here is the last verse quoted in the NT by Paul:
"For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.” 1 Cor. 10:26
And a personal favourite of mine, which screams "God is in control!"
"Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out,
“Hallelujah!
For the Lord our God
The almighty reigns" Rev 19:6
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