Walking by the Spirit
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[FONT="]10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
...more walking in the spirit[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
...more walking in the spirit[/FONT]
The kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven are 2 very different things. Because of this ignorance, many Pentecostal denominations have led people astray with works based salvation they can lose if they act out in the flesh.
This is not an invitation to derail this thread with a debate on losing salvation, so please do not start it.
This is not an invitation to derail this thread with a debate on losing salvation, so please do not start it.
Actually... the Lord Jesus reigns over His Kingdom regardless of where it's located and it's not necessarily different.
Jesus said the Kingdom is within us (righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost)... are you denying that?
God's Word clearly teaches that if we walk after the flesh... we shall die
Maybe one day you can simply accept what God's Word says...
This is all relevant to the fact that it's possible to get born again and then fall away so it's not derailing anything...
Jesus said the Kingdom is within us (righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost)... are you denying that?
God's Word clearly teaches that if we walk after the flesh... we shall die
Maybe one day you can simply accept what God's Word says...
This is all relevant to the fact that it's possible to get born again and then fall away so it's not derailing anything...
...The KOG is within you. If you walk in the flesh you die spiritually and the KOG is not in you. When Paul said those that do all those thing in flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God he was i no way even remotely saying if you do those things you lost your salvation and are headed to hell.
The Kingdom of Heaven is the abode of God.
Falling away from the faith is Biblical and is not losing your salvation and never has been.
The Kingdom of Heaven is the abode of God.
Falling away from the faith is Biblical and is not losing your salvation and never has been.
good post, i think the mindset is " gods gonna send us to hell unless..." thats not how it works, God has been teling us to walk in right things since he told cain " do whats right and you will be accepted" He has been so good as to give His Son to make the way OUT of death and hell, and the way i see it, its not Him tossing us in hell , but us ignoring him and running for the cliff ourselves.
hence, the reason we need to Believe the Word of God. cant ignore all the warnings throughout the new testament regarding eternal Lofe v eternal damnation and pretend nothing applies to us. everyu word in the nt was written for believers to learn from. God is good, but His words are not changed because we ignore the things we dont like to hear, or what we "dont agree with" when we find clear porinciples in His word, the change isnt Gods to make, Hes been very clear to us
So getting back to talking more of this Spirit-to-spirit traveling day-to-day stuff (Smile) Let me say, this is one topic I love sticking with until we are clear on what Scripture means so we can collaborate all of His wisdom on the subject and we can let the Holy Spirit fill us in on what our New life consists of exactly.There are many truths here on this subject, and it is what we are literally connected to God by, thus it peaks my interest, and I know yours too.
If a believer does not know what his spirit is, he will not know how to fellowship with God in the spirit and will substitute the work of the spirit with soulish activities such as that of the mind and the emotion. The result of this is that he will always remain soulish and will not reach the spiritual realm.
First Corinthians 2:11 speaks of the spirit of man which is in him.
First Corinthians 5:4 speaks of "my spirit."
Romans 8:16 speaks of "our spirit."
First Corinthians 14:14 again speaks of "my spirit."
First Corinthians 14:32 speaks of "the spirits of prophets."
Proverbs 25:28 mentions of one's own spirit.
Hebrews 12:23 mentions the spirits of righteous men.
Zechariah 12:1 mentions Jehovah forming the spirit of man within him.
These few verses adequately prove to us that man has a spirit. This spirit is not our soul and is not the Holy Spirit. We worship God by this spirit.
According to the teaching of the Bible and the experience of the believers, man's spirit is composed of three parts, or it has three functions. These three parts are man's conscience, intuition, and fellowship (that is, fellowship with God, which is the same as worship).
The conscience is the discerning organ, and is only moral before we place the Spirit of God as it's ruling compass, then it is God Himself's measurement of goodness cooperating within us. The discernment of right and wrong by the conscience is not influenced by the knowledge in the mind; rather, it is a spontaneous, direct judgment. Many times the conscience will condemn even the things that one's reasoning condones. The work of the conscience is mostly independent and direct; it is not affected by outward persuasions. If a man makes a mistake in his conduct, his conscience will condemn him. The intuition is the consciousness within man's spirit.
This consciousness is absolutely different from the body-consciousness and the soul-consciousness. The reason it is called intuition is that this consciousness is direct and is not dependent on anything else. We do not need the help of the mind, the emotion, or the will before we can have this knowledge. This knowledge comes directly from intuition. Through his intuition, man can truly "know" something, while his mind can only make him understand it. All God's revelations and all the moving of the Holy Spirit are known by the believers through the intuition. A believer should follow the voice of the conscience and the instruction of the intuition. Fellowship is our worship to God.
The mind, the emotion, and the will are the organs of the soul and cannot worship God. God does not come through our mind, emotion, or desires. God is known directly through the spirit. Man worships God and communicates with God directly through the spirit, that is, through the "inner man," and not through the soul or the outward man.
Having seen the above, we now realize how the three parts—the conscience, the intuition, and the fellowship—are deeply integrated together and how they are related to one another in their work. The conscience is linked to the intuition, for the conscience judges according to the intuition. The conscience condemns conduct that is contrary to the intuition. The intuition is also linked to fellowship, or worship.
God is known to man in the intuition, and He reveals Himself and His will through the intuition. Hopes and conjectures will not bring us the knowledge of God.
If a believer does not know what his spirit is, he will not know how to fellowship with God in the spirit and will substitute the work of the spirit with soulish activities such as that of the mind and the emotion. The result of this is that he will always remain soulish and will not reach the spiritual realm.
First Corinthians 2:11 speaks of the spirit of man which is in him.
First Corinthians 5:4 speaks of "my spirit."
Romans 8:16 speaks of "our spirit."
First Corinthians 14:14 again speaks of "my spirit."
First Corinthians 14:32 speaks of "the spirits of prophets."
Proverbs 25:28 mentions of one's own spirit.
Hebrews 12:23 mentions the spirits of righteous men.
Zechariah 12:1 mentions Jehovah forming the spirit of man within him.
These few verses adequately prove to us that man has a spirit. This spirit is not our soul and is not the Holy Spirit. We worship God by this spirit.
According to the teaching of the Bible and the experience of the believers, man's spirit is composed of three parts, or it has three functions. These three parts are man's conscience, intuition, and fellowship (that is, fellowship with God, which is the same as worship).
The conscience is the discerning organ, and is only moral before we place the Spirit of God as it's ruling compass, then it is God Himself's measurement of goodness cooperating within us. The discernment of right and wrong by the conscience is not influenced by the knowledge in the mind; rather, it is a spontaneous, direct judgment. Many times the conscience will condemn even the things that one's reasoning condones. The work of the conscience is mostly independent and direct; it is not affected by outward persuasions. If a man makes a mistake in his conduct, his conscience will condemn him. The intuition is the consciousness within man's spirit.
This consciousness is absolutely different from the body-consciousness and the soul-consciousness. The reason it is called intuition is that this consciousness is direct and is not dependent on anything else. We do not need the help of the mind, the emotion, or the will before we can have this knowledge. This knowledge comes directly from intuition. Through his intuition, man can truly "know" something, while his mind can only make him understand it. All God's revelations and all the moving of the Holy Spirit are known by the believers through the intuition. A believer should follow the voice of the conscience and the instruction of the intuition. Fellowship is our worship to God.
The mind, the emotion, and the will are the organs of the soul and cannot worship God. God does not come through our mind, emotion, or desires. God is known directly through the spirit. Man worships God and communicates with God directly through the spirit, that is, through the "inner man," and not through the soul or the outward man.
Having seen the above, we now realize how the three parts—the conscience, the intuition, and the fellowship—are deeply integrated together and how they are related to one another in their work. The conscience is linked to the intuition, for the conscience judges according to the intuition. The conscience condemns conduct that is contrary to the intuition. The intuition is also linked to fellowship, or worship.
God is known to man in the intuition, and He reveals Himself and His will through the intuition. Hopes and conjectures will not bring us the knowledge of God.
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What in the world!?!?
Examples from the bible please? If this is the case, the apostles certainly wasted a lot of paper on those warning passages that are appeareantly meaningless? Please do explain further, I wish this was the case but I have never heard anyone teach this ever, nor can I see it in the bible, not even the most hardcore OSAS people I know teach this, they say if someone leaves the faith "They went out from among us and they were not of us" as per john.
Examples from the bible please? If this is the case, the apostles certainly wasted a lot of paper on those warning passages that are appeareantly meaningless? Please do explain further, I wish this was the case but I have never heard anyone teach this ever, nor can I see it in the bible, not even the most hardcore OSAS people I know teach this, they say if someone leaves the faith "They went out from among us and they were not of us" as per john.
The reality is people can be going to church every time the doors are open, praying 5 hours a day, read their bibles 3 hours every day, witness to every thing that moves, be pastoring a church for 30 years, read the scriptures in Greek and Hebrew, live good moral lives and still be "fallen away" from the faith.
The "fallen away" which is the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]aphistēmi [/FONT]really means to "with draw from, depart from, abstain from"
People "fall away from the faith" when they rely on what they do or don't do for life and righteousness instead of relying on what Christ has already done.
The "fallen away" which is the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]aphistēmi [/FONT]really means to "with draw from, depart from, abstain from"
People "fall away from the faith" when they rely on what they do or don't do for life and righteousness instead of relying on what Christ has already done.
What in the world!?!?
Examples from the bible please? If this is the case, the apostles certainly wasted a lot of paper on those warning passages that are appeareantly meaningless? Please do explain further, I wish this was the case but I have never heard anyone teach this ever, nor can I see it in the bible, not even the most hardcore OSAS people I know teach this, they say if someone leaves the faith "They went out from among us and they were not of us" as per john.
Examples from the bible please? If this is the case, the apostles certainly wasted a lot of paper on those warning passages that are appeareantly meaningless? Please do explain further, I wish this was the case but I have never heard anyone teach this ever, nor can I see it in the bible, not even the most hardcore OSAS people I know teach this, they say if someone leaves the faith "They went out from among us and they were not of us" as per john.
The real truth nobody talks about is falling away from the faith, which is very true.
The OSAS crowd cannot understand falling away from the faith, because many believe it is not personal faith that saves you, its Christ's own faith as a gift that saves you. That is so far off the mark I cannot even begin to try to straighten it out.
Works based/conditional salvation says personal performance saves you. Sorry, not even, because righteousness and holiness are positions not performances.
Now falling away from the faith is what we are warned against doing and is allover the Bible.
Religion has made righteousness and holiness the end goal of Christianity but the truth is - the righteousness and holiness we already have in our new creation in Christ - which has been created in righteousness and holiness is the starting point for the true Christian life.
The renewing of he mind to the truths of what Christ has done for us is paramount to growing up in Him so that we can outwardly reflect what has already happened in the inner man of the heart that is in Christ. That is the true self. That is our true nature.
The renewing of he mind to the truths of what Christ has done for us is paramount to growing up in Him so that we can outwardly reflect what has already happened in the inner man of the heart that is in Christ. That is the true self. That is our true nature.
Amen. We too have been raised in the resurrection with Christ. Religion always tries to accomplish by what they do or don't do - what Christ has already done in His work on the cross and in His resurrection and ascension to the throne of God. They are replacing Christ and His grace for their own self-efforts and works of righteousness.
I'm sorry I was just distracted by the bright lights..........Is there a way I can blow this up to have run all night while I sleep. This could replace my Lava lamp for sure.....Much more intoxicating...........Wait what?........Never mind...............I just can't stop looking at the Mesmerizing Movements...No, I'm FiNe My SpIrIt iS NoT bEi N g DisTrAc T e D aT A lL, I'lL BB Fi........@@#!....Nope, I'm good THX!....
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I have a poem on this subject...which I've changed ...
There is good and there is evil.
There are bad roads and good roads,
yet many roads lead to evil,
"narrow is the way that leads to righteousness"
"broad is the path that leads to destruction"
for those roads that lead you astray... there is no law to confide in
for that road that is less traveled ...
few will go to it for you will be hated, persecuted abandoned, cursed,
beaten, slandered, and all manner of evil...
for you say you have hope in Christ...which the world has rejected
for you say you are rich in heaven...and the world doesn't believe you
for you say you say you one day meet God in Heaven and Heaven is so wonderful
that you will be happy for eternity...and the world is angry for they want to make you sad
but we who are Christians that Walk with God... are not sad
and if God is in our heart we will do anything for Him for our God is an awesome God
The world lives in darkness and there is no beauty there...
but even a dead tree that seems ugly can God who is the God of miracles
bring to life that its beauty be restored
For He is our light and darkness can't hide from Him.
We have comfort in god as we walk in the light or darkness
for He is our fortress and yet we must
learn patience faithfulness, compassion and how to be merciful and kind
to all, including our enemies, and above all we must learn to have the love of God
where ever we walk,
whether we are in darkness or light... we must not be afraid to stand alone for Jesus
stood alone and was never defeated.
In our walk with God we will endure longsuffering for Jesus was persecuted and so must
we help other that persecute us for we must be a light to the lost and help
others that persecute us for we must be a light to the lost and help others
who don't know God and are set in their evil ways, and God will bless us so must that
won't have enough room to receive it
There is good and there is evil.
There are bad roads and good roads,
yet many roads lead to evil,
"narrow is the way that leads to righteousness"
"broad is the path that leads to destruction"
for those roads that lead you astray... there is no law to confide in
for that road that is less traveled ...
few will go to it for you will be hated, persecuted abandoned, cursed,
beaten, slandered, and all manner of evil...
for you say you have hope in Christ...which the world has rejected
for you say you are rich in heaven...and the world doesn't believe you
for you say you say you one day meet God in Heaven and Heaven is so wonderful
that you will be happy for eternity...and the world is angry for they want to make you sad
but we who are Christians that Walk with God... are not sad
and if God is in our heart we will do anything for Him for our God is an awesome God
The world lives in darkness and there is no beauty there...
but even a dead tree that seems ugly can God who is the God of miracles
bring to life that its beauty be restored
For He is our light and darkness can't hide from Him.
We have comfort in god as we walk in the light or darkness
for He is our fortress and yet we must
learn patience faithfulness, compassion and how to be merciful and kind
to all, including our enemies, and above all we must learn to have the love of God
where ever we walk,
whether we are in darkness or light... we must not be afraid to stand alone for Jesus
stood alone and was never defeated.
In our walk with God we will endure longsuffering for Jesus was persecuted and so must
we help other that persecute us for we must be a light to the lost and help
others that persecute us for we must be a light to the lost and help others
who don't know God and are set in their evil ways, and God will bless us so must that
won't have enough room to receive it
This reminds me of another point in living in the spirit. We tend to think we live by God living thru us and hence become passive, which is only allowing evil spirits to gain ground. We must remember, after the death of self, comes the aliveness of our Christ-like self emboldened to act and think and will in accordance with the spirit, not as our acts themselves. Directed and commissioned yes, but altogether by our volitional response.
"For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
This verse is also very easily misunderstood. A believer may think that only God is the One who wills and works, that God puts the willing and the working into him, and that God wills for him and works for him. This means that he need not will or do anything; God wills and works for him. He is a super believer and has no need of willing and working anymore; God is the one who wills and works. He is merely an unconscious machine and has nothing to do with willing and working.
These believers do not know that this verse means that God will only work within us to the extent that we are willing to will and work. God will not work further than this; He will only work to this point.
God will not will and work for man. Rather, God will only work when man becomes willing to will and work according to His good pleasure. The willing and the working should still be of man himself. The apostle was very cautious. This is why he said, "It is God who operates in you both the willing and the working." God is not willing and working alone, but "in you"; your person still remains. You still have to will and work yourself. To will and work is still your own affair.
Though God operates, He is not a substitute. To will and work is man's affair. The meaning of God's operation is that God works within us, moves within us, softens us, and encourages us in order to produce in us a heart that is inclined to obey His will. He does not will for us to obey His will. He only causes us to be inclined toward His will. Then we ourselves still have to will to obey.
This verse teaches that man's will needs the support and help of God's power. Apart from God, whatever man determines and does according to his own will is of no use. God does not will for man; neither does He want man to will on his own. He wants man to rely upon His power to will. It is not that God takes our place in the willing, but that we will by His working.
"For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
This verse is also very easily misunderstood. A believer may think that only God is the One who wills and works, that God puts the willing and the working into him, and that God wills for him and works for him. This means that he need not will or do anything; God wills and works for him. He is a super believer and has no need of willing and working anymore; God is the one who wills and works. He is merely an unconscious machine and has nothing to do with willing and working.
These believers do not know that this verse means that God will only work within us to the extent that we are willing to will and work. God will not work further than this; He will only work to this point.
God will not will and work for man. Rather, God will only work when man becomes willing to will and work according to His good pleasure. The willing and the working should still be of man himself. The apostle was very cautious. This is why he said, "It is God who operates in you both the willing and the working." God is not willing and working alone, but "in you"; your person still remains. You still have to will and work yourself. To will and work is still your own affair.
Though God operates, He is not a substitute. To will and work is man's affair. The meaning of God's operation is that God works within us, moves within us, softens us, and encourages us in order to produce in us a heart that is inclined to obey His will. He does not will for us to obey His will. He only causes us to be inclined toward His will. Then we ourselves still have to will to obey.
This verse teaches that man's will needs the support and help of God's power. Apart from God, whatever man determines and does according to his own will is of no use. God does not will for man; neither does He want man to will on his own. He wants man to rely upon His power to will. It is not that God takes our place in the willing, but that we will by His working.