WHY DO HEBREW ROOTS/MESSIANIC JEWS CALL JESUS THE LIVING TORAH?
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What Giggly doesn't realize is that the written Word of God are things God Himself has said and had His servants write down.
So, to say the written Word of God is somehow less important that God... is to say what God says is not all that important.
That's what satan says!
So, to say the written Word of God is somehow less important that God... is to say what God says is not all that important.
That's what satan says!
[FONT="]14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
This is probably especially important when talking about hebrew roots. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is more important than what people have written down about Him in the past.
The bible even says so. Which is kind of ironic...
Which is the topic of the op. The purposeful confusion of the importance of the written word over the importance of the actual Lord Jesus Christ.
Did you know that there is an actual Lord Jesus Christ and He is Alive and at Work today?[/FONT]
Good Post Grandpa!
As some have pointed out earlier,
Torah is a Hebrew word that means: a precept or statute, especially the Decalouge or the Pentateuch.
Dabar is a Hebrew word that means: a word, by implication a matter (as spoken of) or the thing, adverbially a cause. Also 2nd meaning is: as to arrange, to speak, to subdue.
In John 1:1 the HNT say Ha' Dabar = The Word; and not Ha Torah = The Law or The Instruction;
The difficult thing is that many Hebrew Roots followers don't speak Hebrew and yet they often times use Hebrew words in an English sentence when talking to English speakers who don't know Hebrew. This is confusion. And even in some cases through ignorance those followers learn to consistently break the New Testament precepts that teach how we ought to edify one another in our fellowship and communication (1Co 14:4-9).
I think so many of them truly mean well, but they are learning (often times) from rabbinic orientated teachers who tend not to give the new testament the same authority as the old testament. And if you inquire deep enough quite a few have begun already to deny the divinity of the man Christ Jesus.
Sadly that Torah (old testament) bias can really slant the understanding because Christ is revealed as the one who created all things visible and invisible. When we are told in John 1 about the Word, it is capitalized as a name because it is clearly being revealed that the Word is a person manifest then in the flesh who prior to His fleshly manifestation had the same God-hood and Glory with God His Father (John 17:5).
To relegate That Wonderful Counselor seated in Heaven to the Torah, which can be burned, is a costly error in my opinion. Not to diminish in any way the Bible or the Torah; for they surely record the will of God, His Son's manifestation and the words He inspired that we might believe upon His Son and come to knowledge of the truth.
Satan and his ministers know the Torah as well as we do; but their deceit stifles their heart from true conversion and understanding which comes from faith, hope and obedience unto His will in love.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding.
As some have pointed out earlier,
Torah is a Hebrew word that means: a precept or statute, especially the Decalouge or the Pentateuch.
Dabar is a Hebrew word that means: a word, by implication a matter (as spoken of) or the thing, adverbially a cause. Also 2nd meaning is: as to arrange, to speak, to subdue.
In John 1:1 the HNT say Ha' Dabar = The Word; and not Ha Torah = The Law or The Instruction;
The difficult thing is that many Hebrew Roots followers don't speak Hebrew and yet they often times use Hebrew words in an English sentence when talking to English speakers who don't know Hebrew. This is confusion. And even in some cases through ignorance those followers learn to consistently break the New Testament precepts that teach how we ought to edify one another in our fellowship and communication (1Co 14:4-9).
I think so many of them truly mean well, but they are learning (often times) from rabbinic orientated teachers who tend not to give the new testament the same authority as the old testament. And if you inquire deep enough quite a few have begun already to deny the divinity of the man Christ Jesus.
Sadly that Torah (old testament) bias can really slant the understanding because Christ is revealed as the one who created all things visible and invisible. When we are told in John 1 about the Word, it is capitalized as a name because it is clearly being revealed that the Word is a person manifest then in the flesh who prior to His fleshly manifestation had the same God-hood and Glory with God His Father (John 17:5).
To relegate That Wonderful Counselor seated in Heaven to the Torah, which can be burned, is a costly error in my opinion. Not to diminish in any way the Bible or the Torah; for they surely record the will of God, His Son's manifestation and the words He inspired that we might believe upon His Son and come to knowledge of the truth.
Satan and his ministers know the Torah as well as we do; but their deceit stifles their heart from true conversion and understanding which comes from faith, hope and obedience unto His will in love.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Wow Grandpa, reading this again I can clearly see that you hit the nail squarely on the head. And you put forth the straightest verse so that those who are still veiled can only argue with The LORD Jesus Christ who inspired Paul to write down these things. You and I are only of those who believe the gospel of God our Savior.
Bless the Lord o my soul!
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Wow Grandpa, reading this again I can clearly see that you hit the nail squarely on the head. And you put forth the straightest verse so that those who are still veiled can only argue with The LORD Jesus Christ who inspired Paul to write down these things. You and I are only of those who believe the gospel of God our Savior.
Bless the Lord o my soul!
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If anyone is sincerely concerned with the Sabbath issue after being subjected to Sabbathkeeper rhetoric I highly suggest the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff. It addresses the Seventh Day Adventist claims concerning Colossians 2:16-17. The portion on this is written by Old Testament scholar Jerry Gladson. There is a Seventh Day Adventist on the forums aggressively spamming threads advertising his own website claiming Sabbathbreaking will be the Mark of the Beast. I grew up in a family with a similar mentality and am aggressively against that sort of paranoid, uninformed mentality.
Anyways it is a PDF file and is 8.00. This is not my website. I am simply providing the link as I am concerned about Judaizer influences here.
https://www.ratzlaf.com/Sabbath-in-Christ-eBook-in-pdf-file-sicepdf.htm
Anyways it is a PDF file and is 8.00. This is not my website. I am simply providing the link as I am concerned about Judaizer influences here.
https://www.ratzlaf.com/Sabbath-in-Christ-eBook-in-pdf-file-sicepdf.htm
