the law of moses......and the Gospel of Gods Kingdom

[FreeNChrist]

again im open to those scriptures

"But — When God our Savior revealed His kindness and love, He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit. He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior. Because of His grace He made us right in His sight and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life." Titus 3:4-7

 

[followjesus]

Jesus did not have a fallen nature.

lol all flesh and blood does its made from adam. mary was a descendant of adam as are all men. Jesus was born of flesh and blood and was tempted just like us, only....He overcame that.

hebrews 4:14-16 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us HOLD FAST our profession. 15For we HAVE NOT an high priest which CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THE FEELING OF OUR INFIRMITIE; but WAS AT ALL POINTS TEMPTED AS WE ARE, YET WITHOUT SIN. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."


it may Help if you would study the bible and then you may have some scripture to "help me understand" but im gonna get back to others because it seems you are continuing as you have since we met here, just in order to argue, and im not interested.

 

[FreeNChrist]

lol all flesh and blood does its made from adam. mary was a descendant of adam as are all men. Jesus was born of flesh and blood and was tempted just like us, only....He overcame that.

hebrews 4:14-16 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us HOLD FAST our profession. 15For we HAVE NOT an high priest which CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THE FEELING OF OUR INFIRMITIE; but WAS AT ALL POINTS TEMPTED AS WE ARE, YET WITHOUT SIN. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."


it may Help if you would study the bible and then you may have some scripture to "help me understand" but im gonna get back to others because it seems you are continuing as you have since we met here, just in order to argue, and im not interested.

Thats why the virgin birth ain't up for grabs either. You really haven't studied with actual Christians have ya?

 

[followjesus]

"But — When God our Savior revealed His kindness and love, He saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit. He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior. Because of His grace He made us right in His sight and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life." Titus 3:4-7

He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior

right, God saved us by sending His Son Jesus God our savior, sent Jesus our savior. simple as back to my first comment

john 3:16 " For God so Loved the World, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who soever believeth in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting Life <<<< pretty simple if a person accepts that God has a Son He sent to save the World. but its all good tho im gonna move on God Loves you ! if you wich to argue the wuestion " is Jesus God?" theres a few other recent threads inviting you to do so.

 

[FreeNChrist]

He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior

right, God saved us by sending His Son Jesus God our savior, sent Jesus our savior. simple as back to my first comment

john 3:16 " For God so Loved the World, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who soever believeth in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting Life <<<< pretty simple if a person accepts that God has a Son He sent to save the World. but its all good tho im gonna move on God Loves you ! if you wich to argue the wuestion " is Jesus God?" theres a few other recent threads inviting you to do so.

Yep. God the Son. God is our Savior. Jesus is our Savior. Jesus is God our Savior. Seems simple enough to me. You do understand that Christians believe that Jesus is God come to us as a man in order to do for us what we could not do for ourselves, right?

 

[Meggido]

lol all flesh and blood does its made from adam. mary was a descendant of adam as are all men. Jesus was born of flesh and blood and was tempted just like us, only....He overcame that.

hebrews 4:14-16 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us HOLD FAST our profession. 15For we HAVE NOT an high priest which CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THE FEELING OF OUR INFIRMITIE; but WAS AT ALL POINTS TEMPTED AS WE ARE, YET WITHOUT SIN. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."


it may Help if you would study the bible and then you may have some scripture to "help me understand" but im gonna get back to others because it seems you are continuing as you have since we met here, just in order to argue, and im not interested.

Jesus was seed of the Holy Spirit not Adam. Luke 1

 

[followjesus]

Jesus was seed of the Holy Spirit not Adam. Luke 1

sure he was the seed of God His Father, mary His mother was a descendant of adam as all of us are. son of God, son of Man. if Jesus wasnt born of flesh and blood, theres no overcoming temptation, He was flesh, blood < of man, and spirit of God"

matthew 4:1 "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. "

james 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED, neither tempteth he any man"

Hebrews 4:14-15 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS SON OF GOD, let us hold fast our profession For we HAVE NOT an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but WAS in all points TEMPTED like AS WE ARE, yet without sin."<<< Jesus was tempted because of His flesh and blood, yet never yeilded to it.

its why the scripture says this

Hebrews 2:9-18 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man...... V 14 -18Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of FLESH AND BLOOD, HE ALSO HIMSELF TOOK PART OF THE SAME; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the SEED OF ABRAHAM.17Wherefore in all things it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, that he might be a MERCIFUL and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BIENG TEMPTED, he is able to SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED."


whos descendant was abraham? adams from adam to seth to noah to abraham to david to Jesus. His flesh was the seed of adam, His spirit the seed of God. son of man, Son of God. as you see above in hebrews, He had to be made in our image, and overcome temptation in order to save us and help us when we are tempted and bring mercy through knowing our struggles with temptation.

 

[followjesus]

Its one of the amazing things about Jesus, adam was made in Gods image, given everything and he blew it for mankind, brought mortality to us. Jesus was already The glorified Son of God, and willingly was made in our mortal image, in order to redeem us from adams work of sin and death.

 

[Meggido]

sure he was the seed of God His Father, mary His mother was a descendant of adam as all of us are. son of God, son of Man. if Jesus wasnt born of flesh and blood, theres no overcoming temptation, He was flesh, blood < of man, and spirit of God"

matthew 4:1 "Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. "

james 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED, neither tempteth he any man"

Hebrews 4:14-15 "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS SON OF GOD, let us hold fast our profession For we HAVE NOT an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but WAS in all points TEMPTED like AS WE ARE, yet without sin."<<< Jesus was tempted because of His flesh and blood, yet never yeilded to it.

its why the scripture says this

Hebrews 2:9-18 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man...... V 14 -18Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of FLESH AND BLOOD, HE ALSO HIMSELF TOOK PART OF THE SAME; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the SEED OF ABRAHAM.17Wherefore in all things it behoved him TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, that he might be a MERCIFUL and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BIENG TEMPTED, he is able to SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED."


whos descendant was abraham? adams from adam to seth to noah to abraham to david to Jesus. His flesh was the seed of adam, His spirit the seed of God. son of man, Son of God. as you see above in hebrews, He had to be made in our image, and overcome temptation in order to save us and help us when we are tempted and bring mercy through knowing our struggles with temptation.

Is the blood for a baby provided by his mother or his father.

 

[followjesus]

Is the blood for a baby provided by his mother or his father.

does a spirit have blood?

john 4:24"God IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

genesis 1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the SPIRIT OF GOD was hovering over the waters."

God isnt made of flesh or blood, its why He cant be tempted, and why Jesus had to be made of mans flesh and blood. the difference is adams imperfect blood, or Jesus perfect blood. Jesus was already with God before the creation, already glorified

john 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

He came from His glorified throne not made of flesh and blood but of the holy spirit of God, being His Son, and was made like unto us, partaking of the weakness of the flesh and perfecting blood for us. God doesnt have blood, His Son was made to perfect the flesh and blood, God also had never experienced or cant experience temptation, Jesus did being made of our same flesh and blood.....we have adams blood in us, and have to partake of Jesus blood in order to have eternal Life.

 

[followjesus]

you could quote this scripture for support and say " God has blood"

acts 20:28 "take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood"

but you then would need to look at the fact that "Gods blood" that purchased us was the blood perfected By His Son, who is of God to begin with....but it sort of depends if a persons willing to omit everything for sake of argument, or if they are working toward understanding that brings us together

 

[followjesus]

so lol back to the op

the passover sacrifice

the first passover

exodus 12:5 "Your LAMB shall be WITHOUT BLEMISH, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out FROM THE SHEEP, or from the goats:....

V7-8 :"And they shall TAKE OF THE BLOOD, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8And they shall EAT THE FLESH in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it."

V 13"And THE BLOOD shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see THE BLOOD, I will PASS OVER you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."

again as the other examples Jesus fulfills this

john 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the LAMB OF GOD, which taketh away THE SIN of the world."

Matthew 26:1-2 "And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, 2Ye know that after two days is the feast of the PASSOVER, and the Son of man is betrayed to be CRUCIFIED."

Matthew 26:26-29 "And as they were eating, Jesus took BREAD, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is MY BODY. 27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28For this is MY BLOOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, which is shed for many for the REMISSION OF SINS. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in MY FATHERS KINGDOM."

so the passover, the burnt sacrifice pattern, the atoning sacrifice pattern, the pattern for the priestly laws, the pattern for the alter of incense, the incense of the altar...continues on and on. the thought that Jesus fulfills "the Law" being equated to "well Jesus obeyed God, so we dont need to" is just not what that means at all. seperate the Law of moses, from the gospel of the Kingdom and realize Jesus fulfilled the pattern established by the four law books of moses concerning the priestly Laws, the sacrificial Laws, the death demanded by the law ect.....and He became the High priest, the mediator, the sacrifices, the temple even is fulfilled in the body of Jesus. God once dwelt in the man made temple, but in the gospel He dwelt in the body of His Son.

Moses also is a pattern of Jesus, things like 40 days fasting, being t=given the power to do miracles to deliver Gods People, being appointed a reletive for a companion in ministry, being born both at a time when the ruler over the hebrews decreed that all male children be killed, both being saved by being brought to egypt, both called our of egypt Jesus after the cencus and moses being called from an egyptian family, to deliver Gods people from slavery , Jesus to deliver from salvaery to sin...many more between Jesus and moses.


Jesus really does fulfill the Law, and the Law is all about Jesus.

 

[beta]

amen and amen !! Grace is what gives us time, and also power to change through His word !!

God is AWEsome, so loving and patient, not willing that any should perish...but we must wake up from sleep and slumber and 'trim our lamps....the LORD is coming !

 

[beta]

lol God bless buddy

Scripture is so right - 'skeptics and scoffers will abound in the last days. They love stabbing and wounding us as Jesus also had to endure. Blessed the servant who is as his Master !

 

[followjesus]

God is AWEsome, so loving and patient, not willing that any should perish...but we must wake up from sleep and slumber and 'trim our lamps....the LORD is coming !

amen to that !! He is AWESOME MAGNIFICENT, ALL CONSUMING, GLORIOUS, MAJESTIC, MOST HIGH, SO FILLED WITH LOVE FOR US thought we do not deserve it, yet there He is still calling for us to simply believe and as you say trim our lamps so as to not run off needing oil when He comes !!!

 

[followjesus]

Scripture is so right - 'skeptics and scoffers will abound in the last days. They love stabbing and wounding us as Jesus also had to endure. Blessed the servant who is as his Master !

amen to that, i love when someone corrects me with scripture, but ive learned not to stray from it, as you also have learned. after all, the problem was caused by adam straying from Gods word to begin with

 

[beta]

amen to that, i love when someone corrects me with scripture, but ive learned not to stray from it, as you also have learned. after all, the problem was caused by adam straying from Gods word to begin with

Was not correcting you friend but the 'scoffers who persecute you....and me.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who has received the free gift of Salvation by the Blood of Jesus Christ will live in grace because of Christ's mercy. He will be obedient, even to the law according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

He will know which laws are on the heart whenever justice, mercy and faith are applied.

Any who beliee we do not obey the la according to Jesus Christ, has not yet come to the understanding of His Example. His Example is what we do our best to be like, though our perfection will not be until God finishes that work He began in us on the day we repented.....

So if you believe someone is under the law because they believe the way it is interpreted by Jesus Christ is being adhered to, then you may have to read, pray and meditate much more.

Mercy does not give licensce to sin, it does make us so that the guilt of our transgressions are not held against us.

Praise Jesus Christ, our Salvation, amen

 

[Yahshua]

does a spirit have blood?

john 4:24"God IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

genesis 1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the SPIRIT OF GOD was hovering over the waters."

God isnt made of flesh or blood, its why He cant be tempted, and why Jesus had to be made of mans flesh and blood. the difference is adams imperfect blood, or Jesus perfect blood. Jesus was already with God before the creation, already glorified

john 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

He came from His glorified throne not made of flesh and blood but of the holy spirit of God, being His Son, and was made like unto us, partaking of the weakness of the flesh and perfecting blood for us. God doesnt have blood, His Son was made to perfect the flesh and blood, God also had never experienced or cant experience temptation, Jesus did being made of our same flesh and blood.....we have adams blood in us, and have to partake of Jesus blood in order to have eternal Life.

Amen.

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


Philippians 2:6-7
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Hebrews 2:9-11
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the pioneer ["archegos"] of their salvation perfect through suffering.

11 For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers


747 arxēgós (from 746 /arxḗ, "the first" and 71 /ágō, "to lead") – properly, the first in a long procession; a file-leader who pioneers the way for many others to follow. 747 (arxēgós) does not strictly mean "author," but rather "a person who is originator or founder of a movement and continues as the leader – i.e. 'pioneer leader, founding leader'

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Christ came in the likeness of a man to show how man should walk in the Holy Spirit of God like Christ did in this same flesh from Adam. And so it's on us to "follow the leader", for we "can do all things through Christ who gives [us] the strength".

 

[followjesus]

Was not correcting you friend but the 'scoffers who persecute you....and me.

oh no i wasnt saying you were lol i ws referring to the many times i was asking for scripture from them