Is it possible for those who have been granted admission into Heaven to turn away from serving God? Is it possible that there could be a second rebellion in the heavenly realm? If the angels could rebel while in the presence of God, what would stop us from doing the same? Will we not have freewill as did the angels?
Can the saved rebel after their entrance through the pearly gates?
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MAN is already in rebellion NOW, why would he be allowed to do it a second time ?
I don't think the angels rebellion started in heaven but here on earth..for Lucifer said ''I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God....I will be like the most high....Isa 14v13, 14. Seems this 'splendid angel and those with him (a 1/3 of those God had created (as His helpers) were here on earth on a mission for God when they rebelled. I think they felt badly done to and demoted to menial work...this affected their 'pride Ezek 28v12-17.
No, there will be no more 'rebellion and disobedience in the Kingdom...God is dealing with it NOW !
I don't think the angels rebellion started in heaven but here on earth..for Lucifer said ''I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God....I will be like the most high....Isa 14v13, 14. Seems this 'splendid angel and those with him (a 1/3 of those God had created (as His helpers) were here on earth on a mission for God when they rebelled. I think they felt badly done to and demoted to menial work...this affected their 'pride Ezek 28v12-17.
No, there will be no more 'rebellion and disobedience in the Kingdom...God is dealing with it NOW !
1Tim 1: 3As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. 5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
Selah.
Selah.
I've thought about this before and was comforted by this verse.
[h=1]Hebrews 7:25King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
It is comforting to know that Jesus "ever liveth" to make intercession for me, when I read that I understand it to mean that even into eternity ("ever liveth") I am secure. [/FONT]
[h=1]Hebrews 7:25King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
It is comforting to know that Jesus "ever liveth" to make intercession for me, when I read that I understand it to mean that even into eternity ("ever liveth") I am secure. [/FONT]
It is possible, theoretically. There will be no "fence".
It is not possible, practically. Because we are born again and because we are coming from the evil world, knowing what consequences the rebellion had. Thats why God let it happen, IMHO. So we could learn what evil is and we will never want to return to this state.
It is not possible, practically. Because we are born again and because we are coming from the evil world, knowing what consequences the rebellion had. Thats why God let it happen, IMHO. So we could learn what evil is and we will never want to return to this state.
Isaiah66:22-24 “For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall your offspring and your name remain. 23 From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.
24 “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
24 “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
This is one of those questions like did Adam and Eve have a bellybutton. The Scripture does not tell us but yet fun to debate….
Obviously, the angles had to have self-will if 1/3 went with Lucifer and 2/3’s stayed. But the Scripture does not revile if they will rebel again.
So what does G-d revile? He reviles that there will be a 1000 year reign here on Earth, the He will create a new Earth, then Lucifer, Satan will be released, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then we have the Great White Throne Judgement when the dead rise and the Book of Life is opened. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. And Satan will be thrown into the bottomless pit. We know from Scripture G-d throws death into the lake of fire so death is no more, rebellion is sin against G-d which is death. So from Scripture we can conclude the saved cannot rebel against G-d in heaven. But it could be possible during the 1000 year reign.
Ok so scripture says more about this than Adam’s and Eve's’ belly button….lol
Obviously, the angles had to have self-will if 1/3 went with Lucifer and 2/3’s stayed. But the Scripture does not revile if they will rebel again.
So what does G-d revile? He reviles that there will be a 1000 year reign here on Earth, the He will create a new Earth, then Lucifer, Satan will be released, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Then we have the Great White Throne Judgement when the dead rise and the Book of Life is opened. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. And Satan will be thrown into the bottomless pit. We know from Scripture G-d throws death into the lake of fire so death is no more, rebellion is sin against G-d which is death. So from Scripture we can conclude the saved cannot rebel against G-d in heaven. But it could be possible during the 1000 year reign.
Ok so scripture says more about this than Adam’s and Eve's’ belly button….lol
Staying with what you said can you show that by the Scripture?
The Bible never mentions any angels following with lucifer, it also says that satan is not cast down to earth as of yet, that happens in the future, yes he goes from heaven to earth but he's not confined to earth. Revelation 12:8 on the subject of satan being cast down to earth with his angels, after a war in heaven, "nor was there found a place for them in heaven any longer." So him and his angels are still in heaven, which is interesting because Pete and Jude said the are reserved in eternal chains of gloomy darkness until judgement, Peter adds that they were cast into hades. There are lots of things we say about satan, his angels and demons that are not found in the Bible, they are things that people have said and we repeat it like it's Gospel truth, I'm guilty as well.
The Bible does say that he goes to and fro, but he is not limited to the earth. He is the prince of the power of the air, he does go about seeking who he may devour, notice he goes about as a roaring lion, while seeking, lions do not roar when they are seeking to devour prey, they are very quite so they can sneak up on their prey to kill them to eat, once they have killed them they roar.
Another thing is Isaiah 14:12-21 is supposed to be about satans fall, if it is, why does verse 13 say "I will ascend into heaven," it is clear from Job that he goes to heaven, since his fell from his original place of authority, so if the lucifer is satan, why would he say in his heart, do angels have hearts? Why would they they are not flesh and blood like man is, something to think about since we are on the subject of not reading into the Bible.
The NKJV has Isaiah 14 with these headings, 1-2Mercy on Jacob, 3-11 Fall on the King of Babylon,12-21 Fall of Lucifer, 22-23 Babylon destroyed, 24-27 Assyria destroyed, 28-32 Philistia destroyed. The ESV has 3-23 Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon, it does not have lucifer even mentioned in the text. If you read verses 10-14 it sounds like Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4:28-33 with lots more explanation to the story?
What was Nebuchadnezzar heart at that time, look what I made, while the words were in his mouth the Lord stuck him. The Lord knows what he was going to say and the additive of his heart, something to think about
The Bible never mentions any angels following with lucifer, it also says that satan is not cast down to earth as of yet, that happens in the future, yes he goes from heaven to earth but he's not confined to earth. Revelation 12:8 on the subject of satan being cast down to earth with his angels, after a war in heaven, "nor was there found a place for them in heaven any longer." So him and his angels are still in heaven, which is interesting because Pete and Jude said the are reserved in eternal chains of gloomy darkness until judgement, Peter adds that they were cast into hades. There are lots of things we say about satan, his angels and demons that are not found in the Bible, they are things that people have said and we repeat it like it's Gospel truth, I'm guilty as well.
The Bible does say that he goes to and fro, but he is not limited to the earth. He is the prince of the power of the air, he does go about seeking who he may devour, notice he goes about as a roaring lion, while seeking, lions do not roar when they are seeking to devour prey, they are very quite so they can sneak up on their prey to kill them to eat, once they have killed them they roar.
Another thing is Isaiah 14:12-21 is supposed to be about satans fall, if it is, why does verse 13 say "I will ascend into heaven," it is clear from Job that he goes to heaven, since his fell from his original place of authority, so if the lucifer is satan, why would he say in his heart, do angels have hearts? Why would they they are not flesh and blood like man is, something to think about since we are on the subject of not reading into the Bible.
The NKJV has Isaiah 14 with these headings, 1-2Mercy on Jacob, 3-11 Fall on the King of Babylon,12-21 Fall of Lucifer, 22-23 Babylon destroyed, 24-27 Assyria destroyed, 28-32 Philistia destroyed. The ESV has 3-23 Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon, it does not have lucifer even mentioned in the text. If you read verses 10-14 it sounds like Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4:28-33 with lots more explanation to the story?
What was Nebuchadnezzar heart at that time, look what I made, while the words were in his mouth the Lord stuck him. The Lord knows what he was going to say and the additive of his heart, something to think about
We are told often and plainly that if we are not the enemies of God we are secure. If the angels or we are in rebellion against what God tells us we are His enemies. We can mess up over and over but we are also to repent. That means turn away from sin. Then we go to Christ for intercession. You can't go to God saying how good you are and how you obey except that of course, just look at what "they" did to me so I have to judge them and punish them. That is not obeying, it is rebelling against the Lord.
God's guidance for us revolves around love and letting Him do the juding of others. God protects His own and will not allow people who would harm others in this life into the life to come.
If you have been faithful until the end we are assured we will be protected in a world of many mansions. We aren't told very much about what it is like but all we are told and all evidence is that we can completely trust.
God's guidance for us revolves around love and letting Him do the juding of others. God protects His own and will not allow people who would harm others in this life into the life to come.
If you have been faithful until the end we are assured we will be protected in a world of many mansions. We aren't told very much about what it is like but all we are told and all evidence is that we can completely trust.