And God saw the light....

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Zmouth

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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

So if you interpret the two great lights to be the Sun and Moon then do you consider the passage of John 3:12 to be relative to the scriptures of Genesis 1 & 2?
 
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BeyondET

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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

So if you interpret the two great lights to be the Sun and Moon then do you consider the passage of John 3:12 to be relative to the scriptures of Genesis 1 & 2?
Could be, though I don't interpret the two great lights as being the sun and moon, surely the sun but the moon?
 
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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

So if you interpret the two great lights to be the Sun and Moon then do you consider the passage of John 3:12 to be relative to the scriptures of Genesis 1 & 2?
I have heard some scholars say the light that was made was Jesus. Jesus is the light of the world and was before the foundation of the world. He created light and then separated it from Darkness[satan]

I concur with this interpretation.
 
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BeyondET

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I have heard some scholars say the light that was made was Jesus. Jesus is the light of the world and was before the foundation of the world. He created light and then separated it from Darkness[satan]

I concur with this interpretation.
That is interesting was Jesus and satan joined together before being separated.
 
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BeyondET

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Bit of info,

Let there be a firmament bar call it the Milky Way,
Sun for the nourishing warmth and for life to grow,
A planet core to protect those life forms.
 
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I have heard some scholars say the light that was made was Jesus. Jesus is the light of the world and was before the foundation of the world. He created light and then separated it from Darkness[satan]

I concur with this interpretation.
Wow, so Jesus is a created being according to your errant thoughts.

By the way, that's not an interpretation, it's an eisegetical nightmare and wresting of Scripture.
 
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Miri

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It's talking about creating the universe as we know it.

I think of let there be light, as all the various light spectrums both
visible and invisible. Light isn't just that bit we can see, it includes
ultraviolet, X-ray, infrared etc. Light as we comprehend it is radiation.

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html


Now the light source is a different matter entirely, ie the sun gives off light, but
the sun is very complex.

Jesus is the light of the world as in spiritual light, but He also is the source of all
light as nothing was made without Him.

More speculation on my part, maybe the darkness is just the invisible light we can't
see and the separating out of the light spectrums. Now I've gone and confused
everyone. Lol


I don't know if correct but I was reading something a while back, which suggested
that as we continue to discover smaller and smaller particles, (something to do
with particle physics), that it's a possibility the smaller particle will be found to be
sound - it was rather interesting to read. But hey it's entirely possible since
everything was spoken into existence in the bible. :)
 
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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

So if you interpret the two great lights to be the Sun and Moon then do you consider the passage of John 3:12 to be relative to the scriptures of Genesis 1 & 2?
Maybe He just didn't turn them on until Genesis 3,4.. :rolleyes:



Sort of like the spark of life... :rolleyes:

 
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BeyondET

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It's talking about creating the universe as we know it.

I think of let there be light, as all the various light spectrums both
visible and invisible. Light isn't just that bit we can see, it includes
ultraviolet, X-ray, infrared etc. Light as we comprehend it is radiation.

https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html


Now the light source is a different matter entirely, ie the sun gives off light, but
the sun is very complex.

Jesus is the light of the world as in spiritual light, but He also is the source of all
light as nothing was made without Him.

More speculation on my part, maybe the darkness is just the invisible light we can't
see and the separating out of the light spectrums. Now I've gone and confused
everyone. Lol


I don't know if correct but I was reading something a while back, which suggested
that as we continue to discover smaller and smaller particles, (something to do
with particle physics), that it's a possibility the smaller particle will be found to be
sound - it was rather interesting to read. But hey it's entirely possible since
everything was spoken into existence in the bible. :)
Plasma is quite interesting.
 
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BeyondET

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Natural Neon, how cool is this stuff, adds a whole new meaning to glow with the flow.

 

trofimus

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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

So if you interpret the two great lights to be the Sun and Moon then do you consider the passage of John 3:12 to be relative to the scriptures of Genesis 1 & 2?

"I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?" John 3:12

I see no connection with the Gen 1.
 
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BeyondET

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Glofish another cool looking creature.

 

posthuman

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It's talking about creating the universe as we know it.

I think of let there be light, as all the various light spectrums both
visible and invisible. Light isn't just that bit we can see, it includes
ultraviolet, X-ray, infrared etc. Light as we comprehend it is radiation.
yes, let's not confuse light with light sources.
the sun is a light source, but the sun is not "
light"

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there are a lot of ways for light to be generated, and not all light is visible to our eyes
 

trofimus

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So if God created the Sun and Moon on the fourth day as some interpret the scriptures, then what light did God see in Genesis 1:4
"In the beginning God made the heaven and the earth."
- The Big Bang, then galaxies, stars, planets, including our solar system and our home planet were formed
- massive meteorites bombardment of our planet brought water that covered all the surface of the planet
- 4.5 billion years ago

"But the land was unseen and unfurnished, and darkness was over the deep, and the Spirit of God moved over the water. "
- planet was full of water with dense, thick and dark atmosphere, no dry land was visible or prepared for the life
- moon was so near and the rotation of the planet so rapid, that megastorms and wild huge tides were all that was there

"And God said, Let there be light, and there was light."
- the atmosphere of the planet changed from the dark one to translucent
- the changing of the dark/light (night/day) begun, but without sun, moon or stars being visible

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the water, and let it be a division between water and water, and it was so.
And God made the firmament, and God divided between the water which was under the firmament and the water which was above the firmament."

- waters of the planet were separated and the atmosphere was created

"And God said, Let the water which is under the heaven be collected into one place, and let the dry land appear, and it was so. And the water which was under the heaven was collected into its places, and the dry land appeared."
- molten rocks bursts to the surface of waters and creates first volcanic islands leading to the first continents
- 3.8 billion years ago

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the herb of grass bearing seed..."
- the evolution of plants begun, sun/moon/stars are not yet visible, but for the first primitive seaweeds and other organisms the light in atmosphere was enough
- 3.5 billion years ago

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth...And God made the two great lights...."
- the atmosphere of the planet changed from translucent to transparent, sun, moon and stars became visible from the surface of the Earth
- "God made" is a retrospective tense, meaning "He made them before", in the verse 1, now He is "placing" them in the firmanent, i.e. making them visible in the sky
- next 2 billion years the first plants were producing oxygen in the atmosphere, preparing the planet for a higher life
- 380 million years ago - first land plants producing even more oxygen

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth reptiles having life, and winged creatures flying above the earth in the firmament of heaven, and it was so."
- the evolution of the living creatures begun in the ocean, this life needs more intensive light and visible sun, moon and stars for migration and other things
- 375 million years ago, first creatures like tiktaalik
- this consequently lead to first reptiles (310 million years ago) and from reptiles to first birds (250-60 million years ago)

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind, quadrupeds and reptiles and wild beasts of the earth according to their kind, and it was so."
- various kinds of land creatures evolved from the water ones, reptiles, mammals and the ones we know today
- 310 million years ago till today

"And God made man, according to the image of God he made him, male and female he made them."
- 200,000 years ago, God created humans able to comprehend God, His plan and creation and gave him dominion over the rest
- maybe He created them from nothing, maybe from the earlier type of homo sapiens, I do not know (I am also not sure about Neanderthals, how they are related and how the mixing with them in Europe changed our DNA)

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Many days were overlapping to other days, for example the evolution of new and new kinds and more complex plants continued also during the evolution of birds, mammals etc and it lasts till today. So also the evolution of continents and pretty much of everything in the Universe is still developing to next and next states, not just creatures mentioned as the last ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYOarZKipnU
 
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stonesoffire

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I have heard some scholars say the light that was made was Jesus. Jesus is the light of the world and was before the foundation of the world. He created light and then separated it from Darkness[satan]

I concur with this interpretation.
I think this is a JW doctrine that says Jesus and satan were brothers. I know I've heard it but was so long ago, I don't remember who or how.

I can't accept this. There is no way that Lucifer, a created being was equal with the Son of God. He always was, just as Holy Spirit always was.
 

stonesoffire

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There are certain metals that give off light. Perhaps He was separating the elements of the earth?
 

stonesoffire

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Or the consequences of what happened that caused the ice age. Separating evil from good?
 
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I think this is a JW doctrine that says Jesus and satan were brothers. I know I've heard it but was so long ago, I don't remember who or how.

I can't accept this. There is no way that Lucifer, a created being was equal with the Son of God. He always was, just as Holy Spirit always was.
Who said he was equal or brothers, besides you?

I merely said Jesus was the light of the world and Satan was darkness and they were separated. How does this tell you they were equal and brothers. Again I never said that nor believe it, you are the only one drawing those conclusions.
 
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spoken words, and written words, need to be understood, but how and when did this happen, without history account your only guessing. the world was here before pen and ink. etc

so a record of history or an account had to be passed down from generation to generation, so when pen and ink appeared then the problem came about with half a story being told, at the time of the beginning ,how was the beginning past along. who named the sun or the moon, given adam and co named the animals, when they were discovered. what would have been the point of telling them about the planets or the universe. yet you can still point to the sun or moon to this very day.
the point being named or to name something. had to first be spoken before understanding could be written to be read in understanding. so in simple term everything started from scratch.
for example,
why did some draw picture in caves. when did they discover fire or a tool to write, when did the discover the tool to chip rock to write the ten commands on rock, etc ................... to pen and ink. etc
 
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pottersclay

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Where's base12 when ya need him?