How do you reconcile Exodus 20:12 with Luke 14:26?

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Desertsrose

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I think it does, if we look at Genesis 6 that whole idea of God hates the sin but loves the sinner goes out the window. At the same time I don't think the hate is with intent to kill as the type of anger or hate one might have towards someone as in Matthew 5.

The Gospels are interesting in that they are addressed to the Jews and lots of what is said, makes no sense to someone that has not been under the oppression of the Law and that system of land ownership. He is talking about the cost of following him and that they needed to count it. We do not understand because now a days, it you disassociate from your family, you can go to a new city, get a job and start a new life. Not so in the Gospel times, your land was part of your inheritance, that's why if your husband died without you having a son, his brother took you as a wife to give her that son so she would have a place to live. So the impact of what Jesus is saying is far more then we would have to do by us following Jesus.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, my daughter was here and she started asking a few things.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:34-39

If we compare the
similar teaching in Luke with Matthew I would have to conclude that the pastor was correct and it means to love family members less than we love Jesus.

I hope you enjoyed time with your daughter. :)
 

Zmouth

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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Of course, if one was born of the Spirit and the Word then the passage of Matthew 1:18 would simplify the answer to OP's question. "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: ..she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

He who born of the flesh is flesh
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, [SUP]5[/SUP] And said, For this cause shall a man (male or female) leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife (help mate): and they twain shall be one flesh? [SUP]6[/SUP] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matt 19:4-6

He who is born of the Spirit is spirit
Since these three are one, the [(Spirit) and the (Word) and the Holy Ghost], who is the only begotten of the eternal God. In John 8:42 it is written, "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." Thus in Matt 11:27, "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him."




Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Matt 23:9


So answer this question found in the book of Proverbs: who is she that bare thee?

22 Hearken unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is old.
23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
24 The father of the righteous shall greatly rejoice: and he that begetteth a wise child shall have joy of him.
25 Thy father and thy mother shall be glad, and she that bare thee shall rejoice.

[/QUOTE] Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.[/QUOTE]

Since no man can come to Jesus except the Father (the Holy Ghost) draws him, then how can you hate someone you don't know?

Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers: Job 8:20


So how does a perfect man hate, perfectly of course.

21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Ps 139:21-24



Luke passage is dealing with the disciples of Jesus during His ministry on earth. The explanation is in the next verse: 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple The disciples were not to bear the "cross" of anyone else but their own.
The cross signifies the tree in Deuteronomy 21:23. The cross is to witnesses of the Gospel like American Express is to consumers, don't leave without it!