How do you reconcile Exodus 20:12 with Luke 14:26?

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EarsToHear

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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
 
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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Look in a few different versions I've always found the Amplified Version to be a help.

Luke 14:26 (AMP)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“If anyone comes to Me, and does not [SUP][a][/SUP]hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God]—he cannot be My disciple.

Sometimes the Message bible says it well..

Luke 14:26-27 (MSG)

Figure the Cost

[SUP]25-27 [/SUP]One day when large groups of people were walking along with him, Jesus turned and told them, “Anyone who comes to me but refuses to let go of father, mother, spouse, children, brothers, sisters—yes, even one’s own self!—can’t be my disciple. Anyone who won’t shoulder his own cross and follow behind me can’t be my disciple.

The Contemporary English Bible does this verse quite well too

Luke 14:26 (CEV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]You cannot be my disciple, unless you love me more than you love your father and mother, your wife and children, and your brothers and sisters. You cannot come with me unless you love me more than you love your own life.

So let me ask you brother; How do you reconcile these two verses?
 

EarsToHear

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Look in a few different versions I've always found the Amplified Version to be a help.

Luke 14:26 (AMP)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]“If anyone comes to Me, and does not [SUP][a][/SUP]hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God]—he cannot be My disciple.

Sometimes the Message bible says it well..

Luke 14:26-27 (MSG)

Figure the Cost

[SUP]25-27 [/SUP]One day when large groups of people were walking along with him, Jesus turned and told them, “Anyone who comes to me but refuses to let go of father, mother, spouse, children, brothers, sisters—yes, even one’s own self!—can’t be my disciple. Anyone who won’t shoulder his own cross and follow behind me can’t be my disciple.

The Contemporary English Bible does this verse quite well too

Luke 14:26 (CEV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]You cannot be my disciple, unless you love me more than you love your father and mother, your wife and children, and your brothers and sisters. You cannot come with me unless you love me more than you love your own life.

So let me ask you brother; How do you reconcile these two verses?
When is doubt, go to the manuscripts.
 
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We are to honor our father and mother, however faith in God through Jesus Christ has a higher priority, therefore if our parents insist that we give up faith in Christ then we keep our faith in Christ.
 
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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Gotta Love Jesus above all :) because He Loved us that way

if you look at matthews account you see

matthew 10:37 "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

and considering the teachings of Jesus are teaching Love for others.....it makes more sense. remember the texts were translated from greek, and the word " hate" isnt understood the same in different languages through time. Just like today "Love" means something a bit different to everyone, because we all have our own inward perceptions of what Love is, to God Love means action and truth, walking in His word. if we walk in Jesus word, we wont be hating anyone.
 

Grandpa

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The Lord is saying that He must be the most important Person in a your life.

Not your mom, dad, brother or sister. No matter what they say they cannot give you Salvation that the Lord can.


The Lord is not saying to not honor your mother and father. Just not to honour them more than Him.
 
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The Lord is saying that He must be the most important Person in a your life.

Not your mom, dad, brother or sister. No matter what they say they cannot give you Salvation that the Lord can.


The Lord is not saying to not honor your mother and father. Just not to honour them more than Him.
matthew 15:4-6
 

Roughsoul1991

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When Jesus's mother and siblings came looking for Jesus to bring him back how because they thought he had gone crazy. Someone told Jesus his mother and siblings was there to see him.

Jesus said," For who is my mother or my brother because my mother and brothers are right here."

Basically not that he was being rude but his mission on earth was in higher importance. Our purpose on earth is to respond to the calling of our creator. This is our number one priority also.

And in beautiful harmony within Gods creation the created ones in reliance to their creator in time begin to mirror the love of God to all other secondary relationships. Its the perfect design created by our all perfect God. God loves us, God teaches us how to love, we begin to feel loved in which creates a opposite reaction to love the source of love.

God first, family second. Nothing should come before God.
 

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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I always wondered why people assume that Exodus 20 is talking about earthly father and mother. For those who are believers, God is their father and the Bible says in Galatians that the Jerusalem above is their mother (which is a picture of other true believers). So, the Exodus 20 command to honor your father and mother could just as easily be saying to honor God your father and to honor other believers.


As far as the other scripture about loving God first, above all else, that is what the verse is about. We should always seek to have him first in our life. If Exodus 20 is about honoring God the father then there is really no conflict.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I always wondered why people assume that Exodus 20 is talking about earthly father and mother. For those who are believers, God is their father and the Bible says in Galatians that the Jerusalem above is their mother (which is a picture of other true believers). So, the Exodus 20 command to honor your father and mother could just as easily be saying to honor God your father and to honor other believers.


As far as the other scripture about loving God first, above all else, that is what the verse is about. We should always seek to have him first in our life. If Exodus 20 is about honoring God the father then there is really no conflict.
I think your the only one who assumed differently about exodus 20:12
 

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I always wondered why people assume that Exodus 20 is talking about earthly father and mother. For those who are believers, God is their father and the Bible says in Galatians that the Jerusalem above is their mother (which is a picture of other true believers). So, the Exodus 20 command to honor your father and mother could just as easily be saying to honor God your father and to honor other believers.
ok, how does that spiritualized interpretation jive with this?

And he said to them,
You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is corban”’ (that is, given to God) — then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.

(Mark 7:9-12)


 

Johnny_B

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Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before me. or Luke 10:27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

If you love the Lord first, loving you father, mother, wife, son, daughter and all of your family and friends will fall into place. This is all Jesus was saying, He was saying He was the Lord, because the crowd brought up in the Law knew the shama or Deuteronomy 6:4-5
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.5 You shall love the Lordyour God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

All of these saying that we have some much trouble understanding was very lear to the Jews, they understood what Jesus was saying an trying to say. That's why many times they would pick up stones to stone Him or want to stone Him or kill Him for blasphemy. Because He was making a statement that the lord had made, He might of been wording it different, but they understood just fine.

Understanding the setting of the Jesus' teaching helps understand lots of it and remembering to keep it in context as well, helps greatly.
 

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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
(A) If I had a father and mother, and put them above all else, even above God, I would honor them with my words, my deeds, and my money.

(B) If I love God above all else- people, things, even my own life, I will honor Him with my words, my deeds, and my money. So if He tells me to honor my parents (if I had parents) I would be honoring God by obeying Him.

The result of both of these look identical. But the motivation behind each are different. Love comes from God, and through God I love people. But if I take God out of it, my motivation comes from self- which is hatred toward God. This is how evil started- Satan dismissed what God wants (which is always what is righteous and good), and asked himself what he wants- which was to be above God. His actions of self-centered ambitions lead to all the evil that you see today.

There is a scripture that says "You can't love both God and money- either you will love one and hate the other, or you will be devoted to one and dispose the other." What does money do? It allows you to get the things you want. If you want to please yourself, you will use your money for the things you want. If you want to please God, you will use it for the things God wants.

If you took God out of it, say your parent told you to commit murder (or something that goes against God), and you obeyed them instead of God- that is hatred towards God. But if you obeyed God in that situation instead of your parent- that is hatred toward your parent.

If you were poor and someone offered you a hundred thousand to murder someone (sorry, trying to use an evil scenario), and you chose the money above choosing God in that situation- that is hatred toward God. If you chose God in that situation- that is hatred toward money.

So if God told me to love and honor my parents (if I had parents), and I do so- God is my motivation- the reason I am doing it. But if I take God out of it, and my motivation is self-centered, that means that "self" is my god- the one I aim to please. Satan's self is his god.

So God doesn't want us to hate our parents in the result category, but in the motivation category. God wants to be our motivation for every word and deed that comes from us. Because that means what we do and say will be good instead of evil. "Hate what is evil, cling to what is good." If there is good in your parents- love that because it comes from God. If there is evil I. Your parents- hate that because it doesn't come from God.

To put anyone or anything above God is hatred toward God. Rather we should hate that which is not godly. So it sounds odd to say "hate your parents and your life", if you don't know what God means by that- which is "hate your motivation being your parents or your life"- which would otherwise be your god.
 
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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
One is an earthly mother and father (old testament) and the other is our spiritual mother and father before Christ.
 
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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
First of all, Jesus was just trying to make a point: Follow him, not human beings.

And it is possible to honor someone you hate.
 
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Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
To honor is to give some weight in decission making.To hate is to not bless or withhold a blessing.Not only are we not to bless but to hate those by putting Christ first but also must deny one own self.

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


God hates all workers of inquity but blesses as many as the father has given to the son

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
 
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To honor is to give some weight in decission making.To hate is to not bless or withhold a blessing.Not only are we not to bless but to hate those by putting Christ first but also must deny one own self.

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


God hates all workers of inquity but blesses as many as the father has given to the son

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
That sounds like Westboro Baptist stuff god hates sinners hey? Ok Reconcile that with
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 

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To honor is to give some weight in decission making.To hate is to not bless or withhold a blessing.Not only are we not to bless but to hate those by putting Christ first but also must deny one own self.

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


God hates all workers of inquity but blesses as many as the father has given to the son

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
How does that reconcile the two? If you do not bless your father and mother you are not honoring them.
 
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could be the reverse psychology thing.

Matthew 22:34-40

The Greatest Commandment
(Deuteronomy 6:1-19; Mark 12:28-34)

34And when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they themselves gathered together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested Him with a question: 36“Teacher, which commandment is the greatest in the Law?”

37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’d 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”