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MrMoo

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Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
 
trofimus

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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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There is no need to invent a wheel. Church is here for 2000 years and the best minds of the world got into various issues and brought solutions.

Many Christians today have an illusion that today's problems were not before and therefore that the Church has not addressed them yet.
 
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EarnestQ

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How many apologetics books have you read? Two or three, or two or three dozen? Unless you have read most of the apologetics books than have been published in the last thirty years I don't think you have enough experience to ask such a question. You are disparaging the dozens of authors who really do have something new and interesting to say.

Perhaps if you were to do a master's thesis on the subject you would be justified in asking such a question.
 
MrMoo

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trofimus said:
There is no need to invent a wheel. Church is here for 2000 years and the best minds of the world got into various issues and brought solutions.

Many Christians today have an illusion that today's problems were not before and therefore that the Church has not addressed them yet.
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Yes you're right there, but there's always room for improvement. New ways of looking at things, and new solutions to old worn out theories.

Sometimes old is better than new, but that should not deter people from finding new wisdom.
 
MrMoo

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EarnestQ said:
How many apologetics books have you read? Two or three, or two or three dozen? Unless you have read most of the apologetics books than have been published in the last thirty years I don't think you have enough experience to ask such a question. You are disparaging the dozens of authors who really do have something new and interesting to say.

Perhaps if you were to do a master's thesis on the subject you would be justified in asking such a question.
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I could do some brushing up on some subject, but I don't see it wholly constructive now I've left Christianity after 18 or so years.
 
trofimus

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MrMoo said:
Yes you're right there, but there's always room for improvement. New ways of looking at things, and new solutions to old worn out theories.

Sometimes old is better than new, but that should not deter people from finding new wisdom.
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Any example? In fact, the thinking of people today is very degenerated compared to the ancient Greece, Rome, to scholasticism in the middle ages or to 18/19th century logic and philosophy.

Today´s "fast, consume" philosophy of life has almost no chance to come with something deeper than the past generations.

I agree we should use our own brain, but we must first learn how to do it. If we want to have a good answers right now, we must read and learn from the past how to think properly.
 
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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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You're right. I'm not dumb. Therefore, I see no purpose in reinventing the wheel, when the wheel we have works perfectly fine.
 
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garee

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MrMoo said:
Yes you're right there, but there's always room for improvement. New ways of looking at things, and new solutions to old worn out theories.

Sometimes old is better than new, but that should not deter people from finding new wisdom.
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I would think if some are finding new wisdom (the wisdom of God) we should continue to hold out the gospel of the peace of God which supasses all understanding. Whats old to some is new to others.
 
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trofimus said:
There is no need to invent a wheel. Church is here for 2000 years and the best minds of the world got into various issues and brought solutions.

Many Christians today have an illusion that today's problems were not before and therefore that the Church has not addressed them yet.
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Ah, man! I reiterated what you said. lol
 
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EarnestQ said:
How many apologetics books have you read? Two or three, or two or three dozen? Unless you have read most of the apologetics books than have been published in the last thirty years I don't think you have enough experience to ask such a question. You are disparaging the dozens of authors who really do have something new and interesting to say.

Perhaps if you were to do a master's thesis on the subject you would be justified in asking such a question.
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Why read apologetic books from the last 30 years, when ones from 100-400 years ago worked? lol
 
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MrMoo said:
Yes you're right there, but there's always room for improvement. New ways of looking at things, and new solutions to old worn out theories.

Sometimes old is better than new, but that should not deter people from finding new wisdom.
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We're going for the ultimate in wisdom -- God.
 
Dan_473

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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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Here's my thought

GENESIS 5:24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not found, for God took him.
 
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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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i dont read apologist material...


i read scripture

so i have no idea where youre comming from
 
resurrection33

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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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I don't know. I'm pretty dumb.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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but where are your "difficult questions"?

youre opening thread has me curious

ive personally read the whole bible
and i continue in it daily

i may be of some use here, God willing
 
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MrMoo said:
Why do so many Christians write apologetics in such massive chunks, and they only repeat what other apologist say. There's never much of original content, and it's so boring.

I'm not getting that persons point of veiw, just second, maybe third rate info. Speak for yourselves, you don't need to repeat what other people say about God.

You have a brain, and you're probably not as dumb as you think.
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Why do people have to read books on how to apologize? :p
 
DustyRhodes

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In my view, Christianity is built on brain washing. The church is not there
to Christify, it is there to lay down dogma and obedience to whatever
denomination they belong to. That is why we find that the number of churches
are rapidly failing. The congregation is trained to intellectualise rather than
to internalise. This was never the intent of Jesus. Jesus came to give us example
as to how to live a life of love to wit, Jesus gave us 2 commandments and they
are: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and secondly to love your neighbor
as youself. In these 2 commandments all the law is fulfilled, also scripture. That
does not mean everything in the N/T is thrown out, it means that whatever we do,
we do with the love of God. In doing that, everything is fulfilled that Jesus came
to fulfil. As I see it, intellectualising and philosophy and wisdom get us nowhere
except a challenge for creating argument. Jesus came not to invite us into the next
world but to be a child of God in this world. If we do that, Jesus guaranteed us the
next world when it was written: God gave His only son so that whoever believes in
Him has eternal life. So the next world is a world of eternal love. We can't earn
that world through wisdom. God is not going to have a hundred question bubble
test to see if we qualify. He will only ask, do you love me.
 
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MrMoo said:
I could do some brushing up on some subject, but I don't see it wholly constructive now I've left Christianity after 18 or so years.
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Ah, now I see! You'd rather Christians be as ignorant as you are on the subject, so it's a fair fight. Sorry. Not going to happen. If you want a fair fight, catch up to our knowledge level.
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
but where are your "difficult questions"?

youre opening thread has me curious

ive personally read the whole bible
and i continue in it daily

i may be of some use here, God willing
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Be careful what you ask for. I'm 90% sure his real beef is with Christians who understand what they believe and why. So he wants to argue with those who don't, thus giving him "a level playing field."
 
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