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I just want to encourage you the God loves you and he is going to use you, and perhaps not being healed is part of that!
I suffer from severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. It has been under control more or less, again for a few months because of very strong chemo drugs. Three of them! But the 2 year med failure left me with a lot more deformities, plus I was not able to keep up exercising vigorously, so I have other issues as a result of the muscles not being strong enough to support the joints.
Last night the pain was so bad, I began to long for death. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my life. God has blessed me with a wonderful husband, children and grandchildren, a beautiful home and garden, a caring church, and so much to live for. But in the night, sometimes, the pain is so excruciating, I just want it to stop. And God understands, although he doesn't stop it. I know he has his reasons, but he has not shared them with me.
My testimony of not being healed, which I have shared here many times, is how this evil, destructive Word Faith heresy is a lie from the pit of hell! When I first got sick, 20 years ago, before I even had a diagnosis, I was prayed for by several Word Faith friends who "claimed" healing for me, when I was not healed, they judged and condemned me for my lack of faith. At least I had the wisdom to know that a Christian cannot be possessed by demons.
The lack of healing, the pain and condemnation drove me into a terrible depression. I turned away from God. I stopped going to church, and reading my Bible, which I had read daily for 17 years. I turned my face to the wall, like Hezekiah. But God was faithful. He never left me, and started urging me to read 5 Psalms daily. At first, I was so angry at God, I would not do it. But the urging was so strong, I finally picked up a Bible, and started reading!
What a joy to find real people in those pages. People who were hurting, but praised God anyway. People who cried out to God but did not demand or claim healing. God gave me so many verses, including some on depression, and that God is utterly in control. Then God called me to seminary, where I learned about hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation, and how wrong my Word Faith friends were in their petty, shallow and wrong interpretation of the Bible.
For instance, healing is not in the atonement. Isa. 53 has been wrongly pulled out of context! (I did a thread on this a while back!) But God also comforted me, and helped me begin real growth in character.
"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5
As for my Word Faith friends who prayed for me, then, judged and condemned me, one got cancer, claimed healing, refused meds and died, the other got severe prostate problems, ended up getting emergency surgery when a non Word Faith friend fiubd him on the floor dying in pain, and took him to the hospital. He is alive and doing well at age 87, and has regular check ups with his doctor!
I hate people who put God in a box. Either they say God must heal, or he does not heal. Those are extremes! I think God sometimes heals when it is for his glory. And sometimes he does not heal for his glory! When I was in seminary, there was a man who graduated a few years ahead of me. He got ALS. Everyone prayed for him. But he was not healed! But, he used his time in prayer and intercession, and to lead his caregivers to the Lord. He is with the Lord now, and there is a scholarship in his name, at the seminary. God was gloried!
I suffer from severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. It has been under control more or less, again for a few months because of very strong chemo drugs. Three of them! But the 2 year med failure left me with a lot more deformities, plus I was not able to keep up exercising vigorously, so I have other issues as a result of the muscles not being strong enough to support the joints.
Last night the pain was so bad, I began to long for death. Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with my life. God has blessed me with a wonderful husband, children and grandchildren, a beautiful home and garden, a caring church, and so much to live for. But in the night, sometimes, the pain is so excruciating, I just want it to stop. And God understands, although he doesn't stop it. I know he has his reasons, but he has not shared them with me.
My testimony of not being healed, which I have shared here many times, is how this evil, destructive Word Faith heresy is a lie from the pit of hell! When I first got sick, 20 years ago, before I even had a diagnosis, I was prayed for by several Word Faith friends who "claimed" healing for me, when I was not healed, they judged and condemned me for my lack of faith. At least I had the wisdom to know that a Christian cannot be possessed by demons.
The lack of healing, the pain and condemnation drove me into a terrible depression. I turned away from God. I stopped going to church, and reading my Bible, which I had read daily for 17 years. I turned my face to the wall, like Hezekiah. But God was faithful. He never left me, and started urging me to read 5 Psalms daily. At first, I was so angry at God, I would not do it. But the urging was so strong, I finally picked up a Bible, and started reading!
What a joy to find real people in those pages. People who were hurting, but praised God anyway. People who cried out to God but did not demand or claim healing. God gave me so many verses, including some on depression, and that God is utterly in control. Then God called me to seminary, where I learned about hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation, and how wrong my Word Faith friends were in their petty, shallow and wrong interpretation of the Bible.
For instance, healing is not in the atonement. Isa. 53 has been wrongly pulled out of context! (I did a thread on this a while back!) But God also comforted me, and helped me begin real growth in character.
"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5
As for my Word Faith friends who prayed for me, then, judged and condemned me, one got cancer, claimed healing, refused meds and died, the other got severe prostate problems, ended up getting emergency surgery when a non Word Faith friend fiubd him on the floor dying in pain, and took him to the hospital. He is alive and doing well at age 87, and has regular check ups with his doctor!
I hate people who put God in a box. Either they say God must heal, or he does not heal. Those are extremes! I think God sometimes heals when it is for his glory. And sometimes he does not heal for his glory! When I was in seminary, there was a man who graduated a few years ahead of me. He got ALS. Everyone prayed for him. But he was not healed! But, he used his time in prayer and intercession, and to lead his caregivers to the Lord. He is with the Lord now, and there is a scholarship in his name, at the seminary. God was gloried!
thank you Beyond, that child singing that song was way to precious...
Angela, thank you for such a beautiful share, but sweetheart, we must never hate,
even those who so desperately try and destroy us and try their best to lead us away from
our Heavenly Father...
we can hate the evil that people do, but never hate the person that was gifted with a life -
for only God has the power to 'create' a human being...
Angela, thank you for such a beautiful share, but sweetheart, we must never hate,
even those who so desperately try and destroy us and try their best to lead us away from
our Heavenly Father...
we can hate the evil that people do, but never hate the person that was gifted with a life -
for only God has the power to 'create' a human being...
I suggest you go through your bible from lid to lid. Find all the healing promises you can find..They are All in the past tense...or present tense 'Ye are healed' 'Ye were healed' Healing for you is a done deal...You have the faith to see it happen in your body. Soak up all the scriptures promising healing. Until YOU BELIEVE that its for you NOW....Then receive (reach out and take) it. You are not possessed. Sin cannot stop your healing.. only unbelief can stop it. The Word will cause you to believe it
You said. "Sometimes it's not His Will for someone to be healed. He purposely left Paul sick, and that does not mean he is evil."
When would that be? Jesus suffered His stripes to pay for our healing. When He walked the Earth He healed ALL who came to him. Not once did He say to anybody. "It's not my will that you be healed. Or I want you sick so I can teach you something. You really NEED to read your bible on this subject...Why lock this poor woman into a malady like that...Don't you go bad mouthing God by telling us he let Jesus suffer for nothing.
When would that be? Jesus suffered His stripes to pay for our healing. When He walked the Earth He healed ALL who came to him. Not once did He say to anybody. "It's not my will that you be healed. Or I want you sick so I can teach you something. You really NEED to read your bible on this subject...Why lock this poor woman into a malady like that...Don't you go bad mouthing God by telling us he let Jesus suffer for nothing.
That's strange... I have a testimony of being healed based on what Jesus accomplished in His death, burial, and resurrection!
Maybe God loves me more, cause I certainly got healed and I stay healed!
Yeah, satan tried that lie on me... I found out he is wrong, cause Jesus did pay for not only sin but also sickness and disease (a direct result of Adam's sin) as we see in numerous scriptures across God's Word.
It's too bad that some never learn to received... just like with salvation, some never learn to receive which doesn't mean it's not for them or that God was withholding anything Jesus paid for from them... they just believe wrongly having believed something other than what God's Word teaches.
Well, you know "hating" people is an earmark of satanic influence... you might want to cast that devil out and ask the Lord to forgive you for refusing to forgive those that you disagree with ....cause un-forgiveness is a sin!
Yeah, the devil tried to tell me too that sometimes God totally ignores all that Jesus has done so He can get "glory" out of withholding His love and His power because He cares not whether people suffer or not. The devil tried to tell me that God was mean like that.
I rejected that lie with all the others cause that's not scriptural... Jesus never did this and He said He always does what He sees His Father do.
Hopefully the eyes of your understanding will be opened soon...
Maybe God loves me more, cause I certainly got healed and I stay healed!
Yeah, satan tried that lie on me... I found out he is wrong, cause Jesus did pay for not only sin but also sickness and disease (a direct result of Adam's sin) as we see in numerous scriptures across God's Word.
It's too bad that some never learn to received... just like with salvation, some never learn to receive which doesn't mean it's not for them or that God was withholding anything Jesus paid for from them... they just believe wrongly having believed something other than what God's Word teaches.
Well, you know "hating" people is an earmark of satanic influence... you might want to cast that devil out and ask the Lord to forgive you for refusing to forgive those that you disagree with ....cause un-forgiveness is a sin!
Yeah, the devil tried to tell me too that sometimes God totally ignores all that Jesus has done so He can get "glory" out of withholding His love and His power because He cares not whether people suffer or not. The devil tried to tell me that God was mean like that.
I rejected that lie with all the others cause that's not scriptural... Jesus never did this and He said He always does what He sees His Father do.
Hopefully the eyes of your understanding will be opened soon...
Sister in Christ Toinena, I see you're a blessed woman of God because your faith is more precious than silver and gold. Let me tell you a short story: Some 10 years ago a man in his seventies approached a young man, here in Campinas, and said: "I wanna hear about Jesus". The young man happened (by God's providence) to be a believer and they started to talk. The old man said he was a cancer patient and all he wanted was to save his soul because his flesh was beyond hope. To make the story shorter the old man was completely healed as soon as he was dipped into the baptism water.
Sister Toinena, I'll be praying for you together with many other cc members.
Sister Toinena, I'll be praying for you together with many other cc members.
Sounds just like something the real Jesus would do... that fake jesus (angel of light) always provides rather cleaver sounding reasons and excuses why God is withholding healing that sound very logical to the carnal mind cause these things are based on man's darkened wisdom and not on the wisdom of the Living God.
This is simply the devil doing what Jesus described in Mark 4:13-20, so we should take what Jesus taught here seriously and know that Jesus is giving us a heads up (that means warning for those in Rio Linda) that the enemy is always going to be making his play to choke God's Word out of our lives (1 Peter 5:8) and he can only do that if we agree to quit believing, standing on, and acting as though God's Word is true for in due time we will reap if we faint not.
Now, I don't believe necessarily that someone is not saved if they don't believe God has already healed them but then again I'm not the One who will make that determination. Hopefully those that do not believe that it's God's will to heal and Jesus did actually pay for our healing... will at least never turn away from their salvation and turn away from otherwise walking with the Lord.
What many fail to understand is that Adam's sin is the root cause of sickness and disease so when Jesus took care of sin, all things that sprang forth from sin have been taken care of too since everything produces after it's own kind which we know is how God's Kingdom works, it's what His Kingdom is built upon.
I wouldn't give up on healing knowing the answer is in God's Word... and I would definitely go to the Lord with:
James 1:5-7
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
This is simply the devil doing what Jesus described in Mark 4:13-20, so we should take what Jesus taught here seriously and know that Jesus is giving us a heads up (that means warning for those in Rio Linda) that the enemy is always going to be making his play to choke God's Word out of our lives (1 Peter 5:8) and he can only do that if we agree to quit believing, standing on, and acting as though God's Word is true for in due time we will reap if we faint not.
Now, I don't believe necessarily that someone is not saved if they don't believe God has already healed them but then again I'm not the One who will make that determination. Hopefully those that do not believe that it's God's will to heal and Jesus did actually pay for our healing... will at least never turn away from their salvation and turn away from otherwise walking with the Lord.
What many fail to understand is that Adam's sin is the root cause of sickness and disease so when Jesus took care of sin, all things that sprang forth from sin have been taken care of too since everything produces after it's own kind which we know is how God's Kingdom works, it's what His Kingdom is built upon.
I wouldn't give up on healing knowing the answer is in God's Word... and I would definitely go to the Lord with:
James 1:5-7
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
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Exactly... the Kingdom works on seedtime harvest.
Nobody plants corn and later that day have a 6 foot plant full of corn stalks... and although God can do healing this way since He is all powerful... most of the time He wants us to stand on His promises and allow them to grow in us and it comes over time.
Another major, major mistake people make is "using" God for healing when they are otherwise not walking with Him closely in an intimate personal relationship (you cannot be personal with the Lord much continually claiming He lied in His Word concerning healing!)
Some folk are fair weather Christians that just give a little lip service unto the Lord here and there, maybe go to church every few weeks... but when they get some health scare now they all about tha Lord! I means they get all serious about getting healed, go to church all the time, start throwing money in the bucket as it goes by... but they aren't really walking in faith and they aren't seeking the Lord as their father learning how to simply be His child that knowing God is a good God.
Then, when they look up one day claiming "God did not heal me" (God's promises just got choked, no fruit coming for this guy)... they get mad at those teaching what God's Word promises concerning healing.
For some, this is their big obstacle... they are seeking what God can do before seeking the Lord as their Father.
We don't like it when someone uses us just for what we can do for them and after they get what they want they don't wanna hang around much... God doesn't like that either.
Nobody plants corn and later that day have a 6 foot plant full of corn stalks... and although God can do healing this way since He is all powerful... most of the time He wants us to stand on His promises and allow them to grow in us and it comes over time.
Another major, major mistake people make is "using" God for healing when they are otherwise not walking with Him closely in an intimate personal relationship (you cannot be personal with the Lord much continually claiming He lied in His Word concerning healing!)
Some folk are fair weather Christians that just give a little lip service unto the Lord here and there, maybe go to church every few weeks... but when they get some health scare now they all about tha Lord! I means they get all serious about getting healed, go to church all the time, start throwing money in the bucket as it goes by... but they aren't really walking in faith and they aren't seeking the Lord as their father learning how to simply be His child that knowing God is a good God.
Then, when they look up one day claiming "God did not heal me" (God's promises just got choked, no fruit coming for this guy)... they get mad at those teaching what God's Word promises concerning healing.
For some, this is their big obstacle... they are seeking what God can do before seeking the Lord as their Father.
We don't like it when someone uses us just for what we can do for them and after they get what they want they don't wanna hang around much... God doesn't like that either.
You are create hope on base of prommisses which God has never made! Look to all the sick and handycappted believers world wide! According your view they either have not enough faith ore they did soemthing wrong why they did not got healed. Because God want to heal all!
If you read the bible you find also John 20, 30-31 there you find the reason why Jesus healed all which came to him!
And I should mention that all which he had healed later died, the most because of any other deseases.
So a compleatly healing we will have in heaven, where is no sickness and pain.
So the most important thing I believe is, to trust the Lord in all situations (healthy ore sick) To trust that he loves us, independ of our physical condition!
Yes there is hope to be healed, if the Lord will. And there we can pray for! But we should not give false promisses!
If you read the bible you find also John 20, 30-31 there you find the reason why Jesus healed all which came to him!
And I should mention that all which he had healed later died, the most because of any other deseases.
So a compleatly healing we will have in heaven, where is no sickness and pain.
So the most important thing I believe is, to trust the Lord in all situations (healthy ore sick) To trust that he loves us, independ of our physical condition!
Yes there is hope to be healed, if the Lord will. And there we can pray for! But we should not give false promisses!
That's what satan told Adam and Eve... and apparently you as well!
That's like saying look at all the unbelievers world wide... many don't get saved, so this must mean salvation is not for us today.
That's complete and total bull malarkey! Just cause some folks don't get healed does mean healing is not for use today anymore than some folks not getting saved doesn't mean salvation is not for us today.
But hey, if you wanna believe satan's narrative... you can and obviously you have which proves Jesus knew what He was talking about in Mark 4:13-20
That's like saying look at all the unbelievers world wide... many don't get saved, so this must mean salvation is not for us today.
That's complete and total bull malarkey! Just cause some folks don't get healed does mean healing is not for use today anymore than some folks not getting saved doesn't mean salvation is not for us today.
But hey, if you wanna believe satan's narrative... you can and obviously you have which proves Jesus knew what He was talking about in Mark 4:13-20
You are directly contradicting what I said...I said there is nobody that does not get healed because of a lack of faith. EVERYBODY has enough faith. Everybody has been given the same amount of faith. Romans 12:3
I said sin in a persons life has nothing to do with healing, except that sin can cause sickness.
You said that most of the people Jesus healed, died later because of other diseases...Really. You resort to conjecture? Where does it say that in the Word? Yes! Everybody Jesus healed, died later. That was two thousand years ago. Even their social security would have run out by now. I would guess that most died of old age, but that too is conjecture.
The point is. Because of the fact that Jesus paid for our healing, there is no reason at all that we cannot walk in perfect heath. We ARE the HEALED! There is hope to be healed IF the Lord will? REALLY?? It's a done deal. By Jesus stripes we were healed. 1Peter 2:24
I said sin in a persons life has nothing to do with healing, except that sin can cause sickness.
You said that most of the people Jesus healed, died later because of other diseases...Really. You resort to conjecture? Where does it say that in the Word? Yes! Everybody Jesus healed, died later. That was two thousand years ago. Even their social security would have run out by now. I would guess that most died of old age, but that too is conjecture.
The point is. Because of the fact that Jesus paid for our healing, there is no reason at all that we cannot walk in perfect heath. We ARE the HEALED! There is hope to be healed IF the Lord will? REALLY?? It's a done deal. By Jesus stripes we were healed. 1Peter 2:24
Good post. Christians lay the blame so much on a lack of faith. Which is true in one sense, but wrong big time in other ways. Look. Matthew 17:19-20 Why could we not cast our the demons. Because of unbelief...Why did I not get healed? Because of unbelief. Why am I stuck in debt? Because of unbelief. Why why why? Because of unbelief!!!!!!!!!!
There is little God can do for you if you won't believe His Word Matthew 13:58
People want what they want and they want it their own way. They choose to disbelieve God and choose to believe doctrines of demons (doctrines taught by demons)
There is little God can do for you if you won't believe His Word Matthew 13:58
People want what they want and they want it their own way. They choose to disbelieve God and choose to believe doctrines of demons (doctrines taught by demons)
Excuse me, I did not read what you wrote before. I just answered to your post (no 47)
I dont wont be sarcastic, but what do you understand among physical healing? I work as nurse in hospital and see many sick persons. In the scripture I understand that when Jesus healed them they were free from their sickness! If I understand you rigth you meant we are healed (free from sickness), but nobody can see it. You say to a cancer patient you are healed, but he dies because of his cancer! Sorry thats crazy! If you say to soembody you are healed then this Person and others too will realize it, see it if it is true!
What help it is for somebody to get said your are healed, but nothing happend?
I would say to somebody who says to me you are healed and Jesus paid for that you are healed now and nothing happend. You are a liar ore Jesus has no power! You understand what i want to say?
Thats the different to that what Jesus did! When Jesus said to somebody be healed he realy was physically healed!
Yes, I was not their to proof that the healed people which died later died because of another sickness ore because of an old age.
But we can proof it today!
If you see into the world you will see also many non believers which are not sick and have a long life. Are they special blessed from God? I would say this is life! And it is not the main reason for christians to live a healthy good Life! Christians serve with their Life to God and this includet all the weaknesses and sicknesses which we have.
BTW do you reallyshure that 1. Peter 2,24 speaks from physically healing? In this verse it is speaking from our sins and not our sicknesses!
I dont wont be sarcastic, but what do you understand among physical healing? I work as nurse in hospital and see many sick persons. In the scripture I understand that when Jesus healed them they were free from their sickness! If I understand you rigth you meant we are healed (free from sickness), but nobody can see it. You say to a cancer patient you are healed, but he dies because of his cancer! Sorry thats crazy! If you say to soembody you are healed then this Person and others too will realize it, see it if it is true!
What help it is for somebody to get said your are healed, but nothing happend?
I would say to somebody who says to me you are healed and Jesus paid for that you are healed now and nothing happend. You are a liar ore Jesus has no power! You understand what i want to say?
Thats the different to that what Jesus did! When Jesus said to somebody be healed he realy was physically healed!
Yes, I was not their to proof that the healed people which died later died because of another sickness ore because of an old age.
But we can proof it today!
If you see into the world you will see also many non believers which are not sick and have a long life. Are they special blessed from God? I would say this is life! And it is not the main reason for christians to live a healthy good Life! Christians serve with their Life to God and this includet all the weaknesses and sicknesses which we have.
BTW do you reallyshure that 1. Peter 2,24 speaks from physically healing? In this verse it is speaking from our sins and not our sicknesses!