False Prophets!!!

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So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL :cool:
 
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So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.
Go figure.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL :cool:
Uh, maybe you should take a waltz through a Bible and look in the OT prophets maybe. And they were exposed as God ordered.

But, dig through your Bible and find it, it is tiring proving you wrong, showing you texts only to watch you reject plain truth that expose your errors and false assumptions.

Oh, and by the way, the NT carries on the same theme and mandate against false teachers who were at times named. God and His truth are immutable, but you don't believe in immutability, what you teach on here denies this truth.
 

Desertsrose

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So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL :cool:

Hi Denadii,

I don't know that the bible says to expose by name, but in the NT Paul sure did do it. And so did John.

I think you might be mixing me up with another poster (old posts). :)

 
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I too have looked into this and couldn't find anything about exposing a person by name where anyone is talking to the church in general.

I do see where Paul spoke to Timothy - a local leader in the local assembly where he told him that he had handed over 2 people to satan so that they would be taught not to blaspheme.

This was a private letter to Timothy concerning his work as a leader in the local assembly. Some try to use this as a "be all to end all" belief that they can publicly attack anyone that has a different opinion on a subject then they do. It is not.

Leaders in any local assembly today can learn from this letter to Timothy as we all can too - but the context is Paul writing privately to Timothy about a situation in his local assembly of which Paul in his apostleship dealing with Ephesus had authority as well

Hymenaeus was mentioned twice in Paul’s letters to Timothy (this verse and 2 Timothy 2:17-18). In this verse, he was paired with Alexander, and in 2 Timothy 2:17, he was paired with Philetus. Apparently, these three men were together in their blasphemy.

2 Timothy 2:18 reveals that these three men’s heresy was that they were saying the resurrection had already taken place. They didn’t deny the resurrection of Jesus but taught there would be no further resurrections.
 
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Hi Denadii,

I don't know that the bible says to expose by name, but in the NT Paul sure did do it. And so did John.

I think you might be mixing me up with another poster (old posts). :)

LOL Ok..Could you save me a little time by telling me where Paul did that?
 

bluto

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So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL :cool:
This is Sunday School stuff denadii! How about at 2 Timothy 2:15-17 where vs 17 says, "and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus." The Apostle Paul had no trouble nameing names. In fact he also said, "
And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkenss, but instead EVEN EXPOSE THEM." Ephesians 5:11

Did it ever occur to that false prophets and false teachers are over the place even to the point of not knowing their names? So when a wof teacher like kenneth copeland teaches that Jesus Christ was born again in hell and that He/Jesus was tortured by Satan and his minions in hell would you deem that teaching and unfruitful deed of darkness that is a complet lie and false?

Then there is 2 Peter 2:1-3. I highly suggest you also read Ezekiel 3:18-19 where if you "DON'T" speak out against false teaching God is going to hold you responsible. Read Acts 20:28. Finally, the reason you can't find it is because you don't know your Bible. This is not some small matter but rather it needs to be taken seriously. Lastly, what are you doing to expose false teachings and if you claim to be a Christian and don't HATE sin in whatever form it appears there is something wrong with your Christianity. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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This is Sunday School stuff denadii! How about at 2 Timothy 2:15-17 where vs 17 says, "and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus." The Apostle Paul had no trouble nameing names. In fact he also said, "
And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkenss, but instead EVEN EXPOSE THEM." Ephesians 5:11

Did it ever occur to that false prophets and false teachers are over the place even to the point of not knowing their names? So when a wof teacher like kenneth copeland teaches that Jesus Christ was born again in hell and that He/Jesus was tortured by Satan and his minions in hell would you deem that teaching and unfruitful deed of darkness that is a complet lie and false?

Then there is 2 Peter 2:1-3. I highly suggest you also read Ezekiel 3:18-19 where if you "DON'T" speak out against false teaching God is going to hold you responsible. Read Acts 20:28. Finally, the reason you can't find it is because you don't know your Bible. This is not some small matter but rather it needs to be taken seriously. Lastly, what are you doing to expose false teachings and if you claim to be a Christian and don't HATE sin in whatever form it appears there is something wrong with your Christianity. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Thank you...Ive never been to Sunday school
 

RickyZ

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Thank you RickyZ There is no verse there that says to expose the false prophet...I was there about an hour ago and just went over it again.
It gave the bigger picture, to expose wrongdoers of any form. Including prophets.
 
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den,

try and be thankful to those who love you here: try and feel it, for It Is REAL in Christ's
name and sacrifice...
 
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Thank you...Ive never been to Sunday school
Ok 2 Timothy 2:15-17 shows precedent for speaking the names of false prophets....I have no problem whatsoever with standing against false prophesy but with the naming of the perpetrators. Paul went to great depths in his teaching about it..What to watch for, signs of a false prophet...but there appears to be but one verse where he actually named somebody as a false teacher. Does one single verse make a base for a doctrine, or a tradition, or a way of operating for the general Christian population? For an example.....You disagree with a preacher on some teaching. Is it right if you look in the Word and see that Paul did that and following his example you come against the preacher...Besmirching his name and starting a groundswell against him, which eventually wrecks his life and his ministry....Only to learn what he is talking about is right?
 
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Sorry it seemed like a couple posters seemed so.....abrupt.
You were just asking a question....
 
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Go figure.



Uh, maybe you should take a waltz through a Bible and look in the OT prophets maybe. And they were exposed as God ordered.

But, dig through your Bible and find it, it is tiring proving you wrong, showing you texts only to watch you reject plain truth that expose your errors and false assumptions.

Oh, and by the way, the NT carries on the same theme and mandate against false teachers who were at times named. God and His truth are immutable, but you don't believe in immutability, what you teach on here denies this truth.
Is this an example of reformed brotherly love?
 
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Sorry it seemed like a couple posters seemed so.....abrupt.
You were just asking a question....
LOL Lots of abrupt posters...But its a world wide epidemic

I was suggesting that one instance by Paul, naming false prophets might not be enough to base a policy of naming what we see as false prophets
 

bluto

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Ok 2 Timothy 2:15-17 shows precedent for speaking the names of false prophets....I have no problem whatsoever with standing against false prophesy but with the naming of the perpetrators. Paul went to great depths in his teaching about it..What to watch for, signs of a false prophet...but there appears to be but one verse where he actually named somebody as a false teacher. Does one single verse make a base for a doctrine, or a tradition, or a way of operating for the general Christian population? For an example.....You disagree with a preacher on some teaching. Is it right if you look in the Word and see that Paul did that and following his example you come against the preacher...Besmirching his name and starting a groundswell against him, which eventually wrecks his life and his ministry....Only to learn what he is talking about is right?
Oh please denadill, why did I know you were going to "backpeddle" and make a "lame" statement that one should not base a doctrine on a single verse? First of all I'm not basing a doctrine on one verse, I was addressing your question and gave you a legitimate Biblical answer. Besides, if there is only one verse as a model and a hundred verses that say the opposite the one verse still stands.

Do you want me to give you an example of what I mean? Read Acts 10:44-48 and tell if it is teaching that you must be water baptized to be saved? Now, getting back to naming names look what the Apostle Paul stated about what Moses had to go through with Jannes and Jambres. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 and take note of vs8.

And then again your embarassing yourself by giving me this lame example of disagreeing with a preacher and that is suppose to lead to besmirching his name? :rolleyes: Apparently you have not read Matthew 7:15-23 and how we are to be aware of false prophets and teachers and how to identify them. There is a BIG difference between disagreeing with someone on an issue and confronting them with false teachings that have an effect on ones salvation.

Finally, tell me how you determine what is right teaching and what is wrong teaching? And btw, they do have Sunday School for adults at Churches. Does the church you attend have an adult Bible study, assuming you go to church? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Blain

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Never heard of a scripture directly saying to call them out by name but warning people about them even if you have to use their name can save a soul from being corrupted
 
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Then to answer the posts of a couple others here, you pointed out the difference between YOU doing it and Paul or the other big names in the Old Covenant....God told them to do it!! When did He tell you? Christians in general seem to point out anybody they disagree with as a false prophet and they themselves are little more than babies in their growth spiritually speaking. Everybody is growing...Learn that!! Everybody is at a different place in their growth...Learn that! You can take one paragraph in the book of Timothy for an example and learn every day for ten years from that one paragraph....That's Gods Word for you. He teaches line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little.....Are you where Paul was in his growth?
 
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It is obvious from scripture in the New Covenant that those in authority in the local assembly are the ones to address the specific people. Paul talked about these people's names to Timothy who was in spiritual authority in his local assembly where these men were operating from.

Paul too had the spiritual authority to speak with Timothy who was also in spiritual authority there because Paul was the "spiritual father" of the church in Ephesus where these men were a part of the local assembly.
 
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So, some one insisted that the bible says to expose the false prophet, by name...Where does the Word say that? I cannot find it.

OH...And Desertrose? This is not an old post. LOL :cool:
im not really aware of that scripture, I am aware of many that say " Have nothing to do with them" or the same type principle. the pattern is the same of all false prophets as the serpent " partial truth, ommitance of Gods words, replacing them with untruths"