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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
 
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Romans 6:18-23

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.






just so you know

youre a servant too... like it or not


John 8:34

“Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.”

John 8:35

“And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.”

John 8:36

“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
 

Desertsrose

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I don't have to, I want to serve the Lord. Because Jesus fixed my wanter, I want to obey him, it's not a matter of having to obey Him ......I now want to where before I didn't.

Galatians 5:1 “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.”
Galatians 2:4 “…our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus…”
John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.”
Galatians 5:13 “For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.”
Romans 6:6-7 “We know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin.”
Romans 8:15 “For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, ‘Abba! Father!’”
John 8:32 “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Luke: 4:18-19 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
1 Peter 2:16-17 “Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.”
Hebrews 2:14-15 “Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death He might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.”
Psalm 118:5 “Out of my distress I called on the Lord; the Lord answered me and set me free.”
 
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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
That is funny,because everybody follows someone,for nobody is a lone wolf out of all the billions of people,why,because they also follow rules and regulations.

Can someone in the world say,I am free to do what I want,and not have to follow an authority above them,like government,and laws,and parents for the children,and the world follows people,quoting these people,and those people,and following these people,and those people,all the while saying,I am free.

But the world clutches at straws,and sometimes silly questions,and saying silly things,all in an attempt to thwart that which they do not like.

They are free for the punishment of sin does not have a hold on the saints,and death does not have a hold on them.

God gives power,love,and a sound mind,and peace,and joy.

You cannot get that from the world,but there are hypocrites,but God said there would be many hypocrites at this time.

But Jesus said hypocrites do not belong to Him,and they do not change,or void out,Christianity.

This is something I would like to know.When you did believe,did you believe in OSAS,for if you did,I know they will say,well he was not saved in the first place,but it opens up the possibility that maybe they were not saved either.
 
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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
The freedom Jesus Christ spoke of is a "freedom from sin."

The Pharisees could not perceive that they were enslaved...

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jesus clarified their slavery in the context of "committing sin."

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Jesus then claimed that it is the Son whom can set them free from committing sin indeed...

Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

We see this reflected in the words of Paul...

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Paul then states that "freedom from sin" is wrought through "obedience from the heart."

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

This is why Paul taught that the Gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ was made known to all the nations for obedience of the faith.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Jesus is basically inviting all people into union with God through the Spirit of His life. This union is true freedom indeed because all our works become alive through the Spirit, thus we are no longer slaves to sin, nor are we in bondage to the law, for our hearts have been purified and we simply walk by a faith that works by love in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ.

It is a beautiful thing and it is true freedom.
 
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psalm6819

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Are you the guy that never sins???? Lol
 
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The only real freedom is having a clean conscience and free from past sin in repentance and then continuing in he word and he that endures to the end the same shall be saved... Its the only real freedom that one can have in this world. Jesus was telling the Jews that they could be free from sin in John 8. No great surprise, because in Matthew 1, it says HIS purpose was to free HIS people from their sin. And John 8 says the servant of sin abides not in the house of God forever...
 
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kaylagrl

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I don't have to, I want to serve the Lord. Because Jesus fixed my wanter, I want to obey him, it's not a matter of having to obey Him ......I now want to where before I didn't.

Galatians 5:1 “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery.”
2 Corinthians 3:17 “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.”
Galatians 2:4 “…our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus…”
John 8:36 “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.”
Galatians 5:13 “For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.”
Romans 6:6-7 “We know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin.”
Romans 8:15 “For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, ‘Abba! Father!’”
John 8:32 “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Luke: 4:18-19 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
1 Peter 2:16-17 “Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.”
Hebrews 2:14-15 “Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death He might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery.”
Psalm 118:5 “Out of my distress I called on the Lord; the Lord answered me and set me free.”
Shoot I cant rep. "Jesus fixed my wanter" lol I love that!

 
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Are you the guy that never sins???? Lol
you seem to have a very rebellious spirit, you have a built in habitual hardening to resit the light and mock obedience from heart purity at all cost...i would suppose many will present their filthy rags of iniquity on judgement day, but they wont be mocking those wearing white robes at that time , but rather nashing their teeth, when Jesus says depart from me ye workers of iniquity..
 

Desertsrose

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Shoot I cant rep. "Jesus fixed my wanter" lol I love that!
Hee hee!!!

I had a friend who was struggling with sin and she said her problem was that she didn't want to do something that the Lord wanted her to do.

So I told her she needed to pray and ask God to change her wanter and then she'd be able to have victory over that particular sin.

We both kind of chuckled because of the way that came out of my mouth, but she also
acknowledged how true that was. it wasn't a grand theological statement, but it worked. So now I use that and give God the glory for taking something so simple that helped her relate to what was going on in her life. :) Thanks for wanting to rep me!
 
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Are you the guy that never sins???? Lol
Why do you consider it funny to sinneth not?

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Jesus actually saves people from their sins, that is why He came.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

He saved me from mine and I am very thankful.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
Its still you choosing by surrender to his will. Slaves is the word bondservant which is basically someone who willingly chooses to serve a master.
 
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Its still you choosing by surrender to his will. Slaves is the word bondservant which is basically someone who willingly chooses to serve a master.
why argue with an athiest whos purpose is to instigate christians? and create some kind of doubt about things he doesnt believe to begin with?

read the intro to the post "why do christians" and then " youre obviously not free..."
 
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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?


​I'll ask a question to your question,what do you consider freedom?
 

BenFTW

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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
What freedom is there in isolation, when there is unity to be had? You speak as if being of the mind of Christ is not freedom, and yet to feel, to think, and to act in union with Christ is to walk in holiness, and obedience. This is not slavery, this is breaking the chains that bind us and walking in liberty! The things that once we were bound to are broken, their dominion throttled.

I would ask you what stipulation does God set that is not liberating? Do you suppose drunkenness is freedom? Sexual exploits, of which there is no honor for self and is lacking in love of others? What of murder? Do you suppose murder is freeing, or has rage so entrapped you? Maybe lying, is freedom found in a lie, or is the truth the means by which reality is found? What sin does not lead to death, spiritually, emotionally, and/or physically? What freedom do you profess to have found that only God offers? The freedom you speak of is not a liberation to walk in the light, that believers so love, but is to toy in darkness, to play with fire, to only be burned. Both in the now, and even in the afterlife.

Stipulation or not, the way of righteousness is a demand we are incapable of doing in and of ourselves. God's demand, if you may call it that, is faith, not righteousness. Righteous perfection is indeed the criteria to be saved and yet we are not able, and for that reason the Son, Jesus Christ, was sent to die for our sins and pay their penalty reconciling us to God. He is our righteousness, He fulfilled the Law of Moses. He imputed His righteousness to us, His blood cleansed us, paid our penalty, and justified us before God, through His resurrection. The standard may be perfection, but such a standard is not possible and therefore salvation is of faith and not works, lest we boast. If there be any boast it is in God, it is in Christ. The glory is to the Lord.

We are no longer slaves to sin, but of righteousness and this is not a burden or oppressive, but rather empowering and liberating. We are dead to sin and alive unto God. Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are not under the law but under grace. The Lord is faithful to sanctify and chastise us, and this is ultimately our desire for sin not only is an offense to God, but it grieves our very own spirit. It is tormenting to be found in it, to entertain it, and not even for reasons of condemnation but for the feeling of knowing better. It isn't our desire. Its not. Its a battle of the flesh, and breaking free from habits of old, renewing our mind to who we are in Him.

When you so let your mind, conduct, and all that you are be dictated by the desires of God, this is not slavery but freedom and when you so walk in the will of God, you find that it is most fulfilling. If you were not free while following Christ it is because you were not introduced to your Lord and Savior, but to rules and regulations that were a burden onto you. One that God has no desire to lay on you, except to reveal your need for His Son, for God's grace to be the means by which you are saved. You see, you didn't know God, you knew of Him, but you didn't know Him personally.

There is an actual relationship to be had. Intimacy in that of a closeness, fellowship. A two way conversation, not as if you are speaking to the wall. God is very much existent and very much active in the lives of His children. If you wish to hear Him, seek Him. Pray. Listen. Ask to be able to hear His voice and find out the means by which you hear (some visually, some audibly, some mentally, etc). What you had was not the Gospel, indeed, you speak of slavery and that very well may have been what you were sold. A lie. God loves you, He wishes to fellowship with you. Not rules and regulations or stipulations, but reconciliation and a new birth. To be born again, made anew. To be set free from sin and to awaken to righteousness.
 

wolfwint

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Why do Christians claim they are free, but accept they are slaves to Christ? Are not those two concepts contradictory in nature.
When I think back to those believing days, I can't say I was actually free while following Jesus. I mean If I am letting my feelings, thinking and actions be effected by someone else's feelings, thinking and actions, I can't say I am free.

Because freedom would be to feel, think and act as a separate unit.

But I digress

Why do you think you are free, when you have to follow certain stipulations, apply and conform yourselves to a rule book?

You're obviously not free from sin, or sickness, or satan, or death.

So my question is, what actually are you free from?
I am free from the judge about my sin. Satan can attack me, but he has no controle over me.
If you are not belong to Jesus, then you are a slave of Satan and under the judgement.
I prefer to be a slave of God, who makes me to his child more, then to be the Slave of Satan who let you in the believe that you are free. You are not free!
 
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kaylagrl

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To do what you want, when you want. So long as your left with a clear conscience.

Why does a clear conscience matter? You're putting yourself back under the rule book again. Who are you to say if what I want to do is wrong or right? What if I murder someone and it doesn't bother my conscience? See the problem?
 
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Hi MrMoo: The truth is a Christian is not free from the world, the flesh, or the Devil, if we were free from those things we would not have to contend with them every day as we do. When we come to God through faith in Jesus Christ then we are immediately set free from the sentence of Hell and the lake of fire. If you had died the day before accepting Christ as Savior you would be in hell in constant pain and suffering, if you died the day after accepting Christ as Savior you would be in a place where there is no pain and suffering. So Jesus sets us free from the most horrible thing imaginable.
 
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Why does a clear conscience matter? You're putting yourself back under the rule book again. Who are you to say if what I want to do is wrong or right? What if I murder someone and it doesn't bother my conscience? See the problem?
The clear conscience bit infers you've kept things right with the great upstairs. Something we can only do as individuals.