By Faith

followjesus · May 29, 2017

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

matthew 14: 28-33 "And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 33Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

Peter hearing the word of the Lord, saying " come" and peter followed.

hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

Genesis 6:13-14 "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make thee an ark of gopher wood..."
( detailed instructions for the ark)...v22 "Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he."

Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went."

Genesis 12:1-4 "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 4So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;"

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God"

Genesis 5: 22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

do you suppose this had something to do with enoch believing what God said? given hebrews 11:5 regarding the "testimony" ...

romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

The just shall live by faith.............

followjesus · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

" we Live by faith and not by sight"

Zmouth · May 29, 2017

followjesus said:

So was the word 'bid' 'come' or 'freeze'? Or was it 'faith'?

followjesus · May 29, 2017

Zmouth said:

Come, peter acted on that, like abraham, like noah......the word of God though, is found in the teachings of Jesus Christ

john 12:49-50 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

everything Jesus taught His doctrine, is Gods doctrine

john 7:16-17 "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."

Faith comes from the words of the One who was crucified for you the principles He taught.

followjesus · May 29, 2017

isaiah 49:1-6 "

"Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

The ot prophets have sooo much to say about Jesus, and help to build faith in Him, and understanding of what has been accomplished and for not only israel, but for all the earth.

isaiah 8:16-20 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 17And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Hebrews 2:13"And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me."

Psalm 2:6-12 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

stonesoffire · May 29, 2017

Heb 11:5　 By faith Enoch was taken away without experiencing death. He could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he won approval as one who pleased God.　

I'm not sure what point you are making in this thread. So my question is, do you think God told Enoch that he wouldn't die and Enoch believed Him?

John146 · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

That's under the NT covenant of grace. The OT covenant a man had to live by his own faith.

Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

The Holy Spirit had Paul omit the word "his" from the quote because we now live by the faith of Jesus Christ not our own individual faith like the OT saints. See Romans 3:21, Galatians 2:16, 20, among others.

samuel23 · May 29, 2017

It is interesting that Peter walked on the water after being told to do so by the Lord. I read a very sad story of that message being given in some village and three young ladies decided to trust God and walk across a deep river. Well, the poor girls drowned, they drowned in their faith because without faith they would have never done what they did. You see, Jesus told Peter personally to walk on the water, however He did not personally tell the girls to walk on water.

followjesus · May 29, 2017

stonesoffire said:

its okay if you dont get the point, maybe its not helpful to you at the moment

let me make an effort to clarify.

kjv "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God"

Gods testimony was that enoch pleased Him, enoch did this by Faith, faith Comes from the word of God

so in that thought, do you suppose enoch heard Gods word, and followed Like the other example, such as abraham, Noah is kind of what im saying, but again, its okay if its not of value to you , just a share for anyone who it is helpful to.

colossians 1:9-14 "For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"

of course, this thoughtline begins understanding that Gods Word, is the source of all things

Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Hebrews 1:2-3 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

2 corinthains 4:6 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Faith is put in our Hearts through the word of God, Jesus came to speak Gods Word......Gods word creates

followjesus · May 29, 2017

samuel23 said:

yea im definately not saying anyone should walk on the water litteraly.

"It is interesting that Peter walked on the water after being told to do so by the Lord."

i find a pretty consistant principle in your sentance here.

Jesus told judas He would betray Him, he then betrayed Him...Jesus told his disciples to go to a certain house, get the donkey and what to say to the person, it happened Just as He said....Jesus told peter He would deny Him 3 times, and peter denied Him 3 times...Jesus told His disciples He would be put to death, and raided to Life, and He was.....

do you see my point? the Word spoken By God, creates it has always been that way through Scripture. God sai " if you eat of this fruit, you will surely die, satan heard that and knew " if i can get them to eat that fruit, theyll surely die" its why the Law was removed from authority, satan used the " thou shalt nots, against us because the principle of Gods Word coming to pass Just as He spoke it, is immutable. so man, being imperfect, satan used the law to keep us bound, because Gods word will always come to pass.

if Jesus tells a specific person in the gospel to do something, or what they wil do such as Judas, or peter, its always unfolds as He said it. if it is a teaching He taught His disciples, it will always remain the same principle.

followjesus · May 29, 2017

John146 said:

faith comes through belief in the word of God, i understand what you are saying, but thats a teaching of the gog, not the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Faith comes from the power of God, His power has always been in His word.

matthew 9:28 "And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord." they werent healed because Jesus believed, but because they believed in Him. very consistant to His miracles and theres also this

Mark 6:5-6 " And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.6And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

and this again consistant in the epistles....

2 peter 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;"

1 corinthians 2:5 "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

were not saved because Jesus Had faith in God, were saved because we have faith in God through the Knowledge of Jesus...that comes through His word. we can reject or accept the faith gifted through His word. trying to build a doctrine on the word "of" and disputing the rest is not a great idea to pass on. God gave His word, and thats sufficient and leaves all glory to the One who spoke it

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

John146 said:

Hebrews 11.............the word his or hers is not found.....but BY FAITH IS......

Johnny_B · May 30, 2017

followjesus said:

What did God say to him? So far the Lord had only said, not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:16-17), subdue the earth, be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28-30) and all that is in Genesis 3:9-19. So Enoch believed that the Lord would send her Seed (Jesus) to redeem them. If you are trying to say that it was their faith that did something for them, it did after the Lord spoke to them and they responded and/or they found favor in the sight of the Lord as Noah did. As far as Enoch goes all it tells us is that when Enosh was born that man began to call on the name of the Lord, Enoch was part of Adam's family that Genesis 4:26 is speaking of and Enoch was taken as a result of them calling on the name of the Lord or honoring the covenant that the Lord gave Adam. Where Cain's family that with him wandered outside the presents of the Lord with Lemmech killing a young man, showing Cain's family followed him outside of the presence of the Lord.

We see that Enoch followed that convenient that Adam had from the Lord to be fruitful and multiply, in Genesis 5:22 "Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters." He is be fruitful and multiplying.

Here's how Joshua tells the story of our father Abraham in 24:2-3 "“Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.3 Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac. Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac."

Notice the Lord already sees Isaac and Jacob as with Abraham and Abraham had no faith in the Lord, he was serving other gods, so the Lord took Abraham from the land, once He had Abraham out of the land, He then lead Abraham. The way the Lord tells it here in Joshua, He had to take Abraham the land were he was serving other gods.

followjesus · May 30, 2017

Johnny_B said:

actually, the thing is there was a covenant set in place already that we arent told of in Genesis ( cain and able were offering sacrifice) this is before adams line is established through seth, which all humans came from adam either way so were all part of His family. the point i made about enoch, is he had to have followed Gods word, and remember that faith was established before the Law, through abram. the law is not of faith, but it came 430 years after the covenant established by the faith of abraham first promised when God spoke to Him at the beginning of genesis 12, the Law then comes through Moses 400 years after, specifically to the hebrew descendants of abraham, Faith covenant is established because abraham believed God, the law ( which is not of faith) then leads us to the seed of abraham, where Gods decree of abrahams seed ( Christ) is fulfilled being sent to bless all the families of the earth.

what the point was , is faith Hears Gods word, and acts on what God has said. Like noah ( the heir of the righteousness of faith) who hears Gods word, believes what God said, and acts according to it. or abraham, who hears God say go to a land ill show you later, He believes God, so He packs up and goes, and lot also goes. ect. the idea was to help understand that

"Faith comes by Hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God" and if belief is true, the action will follow. or " faith without action is dead"

That was the point of the op, because while you may have a great grasp of faith, others may not quite yet, its definately not an invitation for argument. conversation is welcome always, even disagreement, but ive been bowing out of the arguments by choice being reproved by scriptures like so

2 timothy 2: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

God bless you, the point of enoch was that He pleased God, and the thing that pleases God, is faith in His word.

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