Negativity

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JaumeJ

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I believe there is a lot of negativity in the OP's these days.

What I am seeing is more a sense of despair than of hope.

Titles reflecting the bad news of the enemy are more prevalent than those reflecting the Good News delivered by our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

There is no vot here, nor is there a bid for contention, just an opinion on how many approach discussing the Word.
 
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important post thanks for taking the direction given you.

i find also ALOT of confusion, leading to arguments, i think if we would carefully follow what a person is saying, and make sure were not adding to it, or taking from it changing whats actually said could also help. God bless
 
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Hope you don't get offended but your title is the most negative of all in the forum currently..,most are about free will and lots of random things.

I can find quite a bit of positive in each thread if I looked.
.in fact this thread and its title uplifting:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153269-sharing-my-heart.html

Truthfully, you can find good and bad any where ..,,the question is what do YOU focus on?
 

JaumeJ

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You cannot offend me. God bless you and lead you in His light always, amen.


Hope you don't get offended but your title is the most negative of all in the forum currently..,most are about free will and lots of random things.

I can find quite a bit of positive in each thread if I looked.
.in fact this thread and its title uplifting:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153269-sharing-my-heart.html

Truthfully, you can find good and bad any where ..,,the question is what do YOU focus on?
 

JaumeJ

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OK, for those who are interested...........the theme of this thread relates to the teaching that no fountain will give seet and brackish water at the same time............

It is written the written word kills. Only the Holy Spirit teaches any of us the spiritual aspect of the written word. Without the Spiritm those who quote the word without understanding from the Holy Spirit are indeed killing and not giving life.

The Words Jesus christ has spoken to us are life. We must all learn from Him.......
 

notuptome

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We speak of those things that issue from the heart.

There are some here who have an agenda that they are intent on promoting. Some of the titles on the threads are at once puzzling and some are offensive to the holiness and purity of Christ.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


I choose not to judge the motives but to inject something from Gods word that will frame the argument for Gods glory.

Pr 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

For the cause of Christ
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OK, for those who are interested...........the theme of this thread relates to the teaching that no fountain will give seet and brackish water at the same time............

It is written the written word kills. Only the Holy Spirit teaches any of us the spiritual aspect of the written word. Without the Spiritm those who quote the word without understanding from the Holy Spirit are indeed killing and not giving life.

The Words Jesus christ has spoken to us are life. We must all learn from Him.......
Some of this negativity you speak of is the outright lying some members do. But when someone tries to remedy the problem, they are attacked & labeled something bad.

When one has to be in agreement or else, that's negative, & controlling.

Good thread, BTW.:)
 

JaumeJ

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Thanks. It is good and pleasant to know others understand the stimulus for posting this.

If we are to think in terms of all things beautiful, seeds of doubt and putting God's motives on trial are deeply saddening events to witness in a forum that is dedicated to the sharing of the Wor; I believe this is to be done within the influence solely of the Holy Spirit.

If people rely strictly on how they interpret scripture they may cut and paste the entire Bible and yet be missing out on all its true beaut and wisdom and truth.......God bless all in Jesus Christ.amen

Some of this negativity you speak of is the outright lying some members do. But when someone tries to remedy the problem, they are attacked & labeled something bad.

When one has to be in agreement or else, that's negative, & controlling.

Good thread, BTW.:)
 
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Some of this negativity you speak of is the outright lying some members do. But when someone tries to remedy the problem, they are attacked & labeled something bad.

When one has to be in agreement or else, that's negative, & controlling.

Good thread, BTW.:)
its really sort of a form of temptation when that Happens brother, it draws others into conflict and argument which digresses the good things so many have said previously. im not sure that makes sense but i feel its a good thought to consider. we plant good seed often, then engage in the digression and the seed then is stamped out by the bitterness that ensues. this is part of my take on the ops purpose, which i agree is a good one
 
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I disagree...what we have is an ongoin battle between right and wrong, true and false, light and darkness.....those who post and defend truth as opposed.to those who post and defend lies......the same fight and ongoing battle that started with Cain and Abel......it will continue until Jesus stands and ends the sowers of darkness and false ways........the problem is simple...humanity has been coddled to the point of being easily offended over the slightest contention............thats my view...right or wrong.....!
 
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"thats my view...right or wrong.....!"

what if its wrong? lol just messin with ya dc.






 

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I believe there is a lot of negativity in the OP's these days.

What I am seeing is more a sense of despair than of hope.

Titles reflecting the bad news of the enemy are more prevalent than those reflecting the Good News delivered by our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

There is no vot here, nor is there a bid for contention, just an opinion on how many approach discussing the Word.
***CORRECTAMUNDO***fighting negativity is a never ending battle; and Christians tend to fall into this trap along with the world***being negative, bitter, and contentious will only stifle your spiritual growth***if you don't know how to connect to being positive with faith, ask God for He will be glad to help all who come to Him...
 
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I'm a negative person and it comes out in my posts. I have been working or recognizing when it's getting really bad. I probably delete or just exit away from responses I type out somewhere around 75% of the time. Other times, I just don't say anything at all and stay quiet for a day or two. Other times, I slip and say something horrible or very depressing.
 

JaumeJ

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My only concern is the manner in which some folks title their posts in order to shock or dismay other and get them to be a little upset before reading the actual post. The truth is even those with the negative titles oft times post good posts with good messages, but the titles are like mixing lies with truth and there is only one who does that.

Let us all (yes, me too) work to make our shares peaceful and kind fromt he title to the sigin off.

Someone in this thread says the title of this thread is negative, but negativitiy is the subject.....so only in that facet is that true, but it certainly hurts no one, nor does it mix the sweet with the brackish.
 

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I don't want to pour scorn for the sake of being scorn-less so I need not talk about the problem people, for who am I to judge? But, to the answer; namely Jesus Christ - to that I can serve in love always.

An important trip we all must take is meeting people half-way; not doctrinally, but simply acceptingly; and parent some followers in love, while lovingly planting seed with others.We are to discover and discuss God's truths, as Jesus did with His disciples and with those in the groups that came to hear Him speak, as well as those He simply came upon in life.

An oak and a reed were arguing about their strength. When a strong wind came up, the reed avoided being uprooted by bending and leaning with the gusts of wind. But the oak stood firm and was torn up by the roots.

If our bottom line is to love people and to have God draw all men to Himself we must adopt a flexible way to serve men (again, only, yet, being loyal to His Word). We must get out of the way, and lift up Christ by going alongside people as Jesus did, not pushing, or even pulling (unless at times they allow you to mentor them; and then only as a means to an end of them being wholly dependent on God thru accountability) , but showing Jesus as the example of truth, and love, and power, and wisdom encouraging them with affirmation and honoring God by way of truth over appealing to men; while always loving them.

"Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible....I have become all things (not sinful) to all people so that by all means I might save some. I do this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." (1 Corinthians 9:19-23).

The gospel is the "good news" and we need to represent it this way; even while being persecuted for His name sake.
 

JaumeJ

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Jesus has taught us in no uncertain terms to judge. No not to condemnation but for ourselves what is right. He told the Pharisees to judge for yourselves what is right.......otherwise they were just more hypocrites.

It is not right to do many things, but these things we keep to ourselves in the sight of God that we are not guilty of hypocrisy.

I do know if I love someone I will certainly be there for them whether it is to correct them in tough love or in the gentle. It does take both you know. Even Jesus was pretty hard on many when He gave us th good new. <onr indysvr esd ehrrn yhr msn vsllrf <him Hoof, snf <hr sndertrf him dsyinh, "Who are you to call Me good, only God is good." Of course He knew He is God, but others were not yet convinced, the man with whom He was speaking in particular.


Love does not always dictate a soft approach, actually it dictates a stern approach much of the time, so let us be stern without reproaching others.
 

slave

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Jesus has taught us in no uncertain terms to judge. No not to condemnation but for ourselves what is right. He told the Pharisees to judge for yourselves what is right.......otherwise they were just more hypocrites.

It is not right to do many things, but these things we keep to ourselves in the sight of God that we are not guilty of hypocrisy.

I do know if I love someone I will certainly be there for them whether it is to correct them in tough love or in the gentle. It does take both you know. Even Jesus was pretty hard on many when He gave us th good new. <onr indysvr esd ehrrn yhr msn vsllrf <him Hoof, snf <hr sndertrf him dsyinh, "Who are you to call Me good, only God is good." Of course He knew He is God, but others were not yet convinced, the man with whom He was speaking in particular.


Love does not always dictate a soft approach, actually it dictates a stern approach much of the time, so let us be stern without reproaching others.
Hardness comes from judgement and I mean condemnation here not discernment of the spirit for visions of need to love them all the more. If we are to rebuke or correct we are to let the active and alive Word do that, not our judgements. For how can we judge? If God is the only one to know the hearts of man how can you judge at all. And how can you ignore God's warning? Do not judge lest ye be judged? Love does always dictate a soft approach, and a gentle and respectful demeanor, even when God will judge the hearts of men. This is our Co-working with Christ. Our job is to not do anything that God has not commissioned us to do. And He says not to judge. This is not discernment, which He does expect us all to do in testing the spirits; and evaluating the needs of man, to help reconcile men to Himself as we lift Jesus up, so as to let Him draw all men to Himself.

Your emotions are to be buried, and used no more - that is the flesh. We are to only use the spirits emotions within yourself. We have no place that is independent of Christ being first in all things. God knows if we were to judge we would not stay wrapped in love and would become prideful. So, we are to love men in truth. This does put conviction into mens hearts, that results in a burden of love laid within them, to come to grips with the truths of Spiritual truths, but only by way of the Holy Spirit and not by way of our righteous indignation applied by a false doctrine of judgement made to serve man in love.
 

JaumeJ

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God bless you always with His light.
 
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Hardness comes from judgement and I mean condemnation here not discernment of the spirit for visions of need to love them all the more. If we are to rebuke or correct we are to let the active and alive Word do that, not our judgements. For how can we judge? If God is the only one to know the hearts of man how can you judge at all. And how can you ignore God's warning? Do not judge lest ye be judged? Love does always dictate a soft approach, and a gentle and respectful demeanor, even when God will judge the hearts of men. This is our Co-working with Christ. Our job is to not do anything that God has not commissioned us to do. And He says not to judge. This is not discernment, which He does expect us all to do in testing the spirits; and evaluating the needs of man, to help reconcile men to Himself as we lift Jesus up, so as to let Him draw all men to Himself.

Your emotions are to be buried, and used no more - that is the flesh. We are to only use the spirits emotions within yourself. We have no place that is independent of Christ being first in all things. God knows if we were to judge we would not stay wrapped in love and would become prideful. So, we are to love men in truth. This does put conviction into mens hearts, that results in a burden of love laid within them, to come to grips with the truths of Spiritual truths, but only by way of the Holy Spirit and not by way of our righteous indignation applied by a false doctrine of judgement made to serve man in love.

Amen I am thankful for the people who did not let me just continue as I was, but judged me, and showed me the err of my ways.

In fact, the word of God is alive and powerful it judges itself. So by just sharing the word, we are judging others through Christ

the problem is not the judging, it is the hard heart and closed minds. We are told to share the word in season and out, so that by seeing they may not see, and by hearing they may not hear. God hardens (literally strengthens) ones heart by continually putting truth in front, So the more they have to deny truth, the harder it will be to repent.
 

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Amen I am thankful for the people who did not let me just continue as I was, but judged me, and showed me the err of my ways.

In fact, the word of God is alive and powerful it judges itself. So by just sharing the word, we are judging others through Christ

the problem is not the judging, it is the hard heart and closed minds. We are told to share the word in season and out, so that by seeing they may not see, and by hearing they may not hear. God hardens (literally strengthens) ones heart by continually putting truth in front, So the more they have to deny truth, the harder it will be to repent.
I am in complete agreement on one aspect of your comments; and diametrically opposed to another. As long as things are kept covered up we think God's judgement is severe, but let the Holy Spirit reveal the secret vileness of sin until it blazes out in conspicuous glare, and we realize that His judgement is right. To this end I am in complete biblical agreement. But, once again, this is not a place for our judgement it is the Holy Spirit's and His Word's role.I never have even suggested to let sin not be called what it is in what we don't judge. I am saying just the opposite; when we don't judge we let God do what He does best - Be God!... and implement His judgement on mens hearts thru His convictions of spirit, not by mans cynicism plowing the fields.

We say that a man is not right with God unless he acts on the line of the precedent we have established. We must drop our measuring-rods for God and for our fellow men. All we can know about God is that His Character is what Jesus Christ has manifested; and all we know about our fellow man presents an enigma (or riddle) which precludes the possibility of the final judgement being with us. In every life there is one place where God must have "elbow room." We must not pass judgement on others, nor must we make a principle of judging out of our own experience. It is impossible for a man to know the views of Almighty God.( not in what views He decides to give us in His will, but in all His thoughts as they exist).

Ironically, whenever a truth comes home to me my first reaction is to want to fling it back on you, but the Spirit of God brings it straight home, "Thou art the man." We always want to lash others when we are sick with our own disobedience. So, God has wrought me out and I understand now, that if I see mean, and wrong, and evil in others, let me take the self-judgement at once - that is what I would be guilty of if I were in their circumstances.

The searching light of the Scriptures comes over and over again on this line, and we find that there is no room in a Christian for cynicism made to be painted as proactive love. But immediately satan will say to you, "Well this is not my character or goodness, so it is not me he is speaking to!"

But, we pronounce judgements, not by our character or our goodness, but by the intolerant ban of finality in our views, which awakens resentment and has none of the Spirit of Jesus in it, (And it shows in our demeanor; set aside from our doctrines that outside of our judgements would be the food to feed them in reconciling if God would so direct). Jesus never judged like that. It was His presence, His inherent Holiness that judged. Whenever we see Him we are judged instantly.

We have to practice the presence of Jesus and work on the basis of His disposition. When we have experienced the unfathomable forgiveness of God for all our wrong, we must exhibit that same forgiveness to others; and not adopt a policy of judging them for their greater good, meaning holding them in contempt until they change while saying we only hold their sins in contempt... Again God says not to judge lest ye be judged. You have not accounted for this yet. And if we lift Christ up in front of men He will draw all men unto Himself. Which also means He will convict as you cannot nor should try. As we see and discern their needs by way of our spirit intuitively, it is our mission (if called) to reconcile, restore, bridge the gap of a relationship mis-aligned to God to being re-aligned properly. God says unless we wrap it in love it is like clanging cymbals.

We cannot judge ourselves by ourselves or by anyone else; there is always one fact more in everyone's life that we do not know. Harsh judgement is based not on the sternest of the Holy Spirit, but on my refusal to bear someone else's burden. There is no room for harsh judgements on the part of a child of God, regardless of how you paint it up.