2 Peter 2 (Let's get into it)

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Chris1975

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2 Peter 2New King James Version (NKJV)

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

  • These false teachers are amongst the body of Christ
  • The Lord bought them – they are included in the redemption offer
  • Yet we see a different response from these false teachers to what is considered a godly response to this redemption – they “deny” the Lord.
  • How do they “deny” Him in a church context? Do you think they come in and say Christ cannot save you? Do they not speak Church lingo?
  • “Denying” here is the Greek G720 – Which means to “contradict”. They contradict the Lord Jesus’ words. They twist scriptures 2 Peter 3 v16b which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
  • 1 John 4v1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

  • Notice there is only one way (singular) of truth, but many ways (plural) of destruction
  • What is the way of truth?
  • Jesus said John 14v6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
  • Galatians 1v6-10 [SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
  • A man pleasing gospel is not a God pleasing gospel. Unfortunately this is what we find in the corporate church today. A man pleasing gospel cannot save you.
  • Luke 13v24 [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
  • Those who seek to enter were those who thought they had the truth of the gospel but didn’t (verse 25 and 26). What disqualified them was simply this: (verse 27) – they were workers of iniquity. They thought they could have both Christ and their sins.
  • A true gospel message will always include the renunciation of your sins as a core gospel message. This means not only confession and seeking forgiveness, but also forsaking them. Proverbs 28v13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
    But whoever confesses
    and forsakes them will have mercy.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[SUP][a][/SUP] not slumber. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

  • Do not be confused. The topic here remains on “sin”.
  • This next passage is going to build for you a comparison of God’s righteous judgements on sin, no matter what part of His creation He is dealing with.
  • He will over the next few passages of scripture show that these false prophets will likewise be in line for the same judgements that God meted out on all of these enemies of the cross. Philippians 3v18-19 [SUP]18 [/SUP]For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

  • Ungodliness brings judgement; Righteousness brings deliverance.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked [SUP]8 [/SUP](for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)—

  • Ungodliness brings judgement; Righteousness brings deliverance.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.

  • Let’s look at verse 9 again: The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations.
  • Hebrews 4v15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
  • Because Jesus overcame sin in the flesh Romans 8v3 [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
  • Now that Jesus (praise the Lord) obtained victory over the flesh, He by the power of the Spirit working in us can appropriate the same to His believers.
  • 1 Corinthians 10v13 [SUP]13 [/SUP]No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
  • So believer, do you “believe” these scriptures? If indeed you believe.

They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, [SUP]11 [/SUP]whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

  • Presumptuous : Def: (of a person or their behaviour) failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
  • Self-willed – the opposite of “Thy Will Be Done”
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.

  • You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7v15-16a [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will know them by their fruits.
  • They cannot cease from sin. As we can see, the gospel message commands us to abstain from sinning. It commands us to resist temptations. Yet these teachers make allowances for this lifestyle.
  • And by this lifestyle, and the message of “Grace, Grace” they entice unstable souls away from the truth. The theme could be: “Here, we are Christian brothers, you can do as I do. God isn’t the same as the strict Old Testament God anymore. We are not under the law but under grace, so you are now free indeed. All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Thank God for His grace and mercy. Let’s go party tonight.” And so they fall into the snare of the enemy.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; [SUP]16 [/SUP]but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are wells without water, clouds[SUP][b][/SUP] carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.[SUP][c][/SUP]

  • To forsake means to leave behind or abandon (Strongs 2641)
  • They have left behind the right way and chosen a path of unrighteousness, the way of the flesh.
  • For Balaam, a prophet of God (yes he was a prophet of God, and heard the voice of God) was willing to go a curse the nation of Israel, his brothers, for a sum of money. Instead of heeding the leading of the Spirit, he succumbed to the riches of the world. Balaam eventually sold out again in Numbers 31v16 and showed the way to bring the curses upon Israel through their disobedience. That’s right – the curses of God land on those who are walking in disobedience. Both Israel, as well as Balaam were judged.
  • In the same way, both the deceiver as well as the deceived both share in the same judgement from God. Matthew 23v15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[SUP][d][/SUP] from those who live in error.

  • let it be clear from this scripture, that there is a distinction being made in this verse between the (A) false teacher and (B) those who are being deceived.
  • The ones speaking swelling words and alluring are the false teachers.
  • The ones targeted are those “who have escaped” from those who live in error.
  • Many assume that because the preceding paragraphs in this chapter talk about false teachers, that this applies to this and the next few verses. No. You are now able to see the effects of the teachings and seductions of these false teachers upon those who have previously escaped the world.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

  • They (false teachers) promise them (believers who have previously escaped the world) liberty
  • Yet this promise to the believer of liberty is pointless, because the false teachers themselves are slaves of corruption.
  • And what exactly is this bondage? It is bondage once again to sin.
  • Romans 6v16 [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
  • Believer, do you believe you have such liberty that sin is of no consequence to your eternal security?

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

  • Who is this scripture referring to? It is referring to the same ones in verse 18 (who have actually escaped).
  • These are those who have committed their lives to Jesus Christ, have escaped to pollutions of the world (escape means escape). For one cannot escape unless there is a deliverance by the Lord. For a person cannot escape by their own moral effort, as it has been proven in scripture that: Romans 3v10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
  • Yet we have a situation where those who have escaped have not continued to heed the Lord’s warnings to test the spirits 1 John 4v1, not rightly dividing the word of truth 2 Timothy 2v15; not leaned on the Lord for understanding 1 John 2v26-27. They have misjudged the standard of righteousness, through the seduction of false teachers.
  • And because they have heeded these teachings, they have fallen back into a sinful and fleshly lifestyle. This becomes a snare to them (Hebrews 12v1; Job 18v9)
  • They begin to ignore the true warnings from the Lord to repent, for they have been lulled into the false teaching that repentance was a one-time event at conversion. That it’s no longer needed. And so this believer, having started off so well, remains entangled and eventually overcome. The end state apostasy is the fruit of unrighteousness.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,”[SUP][e][/SUP] and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

  • The apostates, having once known the way of righteousness, having once actually escaped the world – if they be overcome – will be judged more harshly than an unbeliever who never accepted Christ.
  • Luke 12 v46-48 [SUP]46 [/SUP]the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP] 48 [/SUP]But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.
 

notmyown

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hey, Chris?

my closest friends in the 90s called me the nego-queen, and rightly so at the time. :eek:

just thought i'd mention it.
 

Zmouth

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  • 1 John 4v1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
That is a good passage to use since most interpret it as saying believe not every person, but test them, whether they be of God.

So what spirits would you test would you use to determine whether they be of God?

The test Jesus gave was "seeing the Father", as in John 6:46;

"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
 

EarsToHear

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II Peter 2:1 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord That brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


There have always been false prophets among the people, those that like to get on their ego trips and teach against what God's Word teaches. They claim to be preachers and an authority of the Word, but they go to other sources for their direction and most of the people like to be led astray by them. Even though their words are a lie and misleading, in their minds, they are honest people and innocent of what they are doing. Many of these false prophets are taught to do this in their seminaries, and the errors in the teachings have built up from generations past.


It is a very serious thing for a preacher or teacher to deny the Lord. The word "Lord" in the Greek tongue is # 1203 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. This is about the only use of this Word in the New Testament. "Despotes, des-pot'-ace; a husband, an absolute ruler: Lord, Master."


The important thing to pick up here is; when does the Lord Jesus Christ play the role of husband (spiritually speaking, of course)? This is why Peter used this word. Jesus Christ comes back at the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet, on the day of the Lord, to be in the role of a husband to His bride to be. So we see that Peter is encouraging us, especially in this final generation, to be very careful. The very word "Lord", in the sense of being a husband set the time element of when this chapter is directed to. So it is time to start thinking in the right mode, for they will start coming around you and deny the Lord. Why? Because they do not know that there are two Lords coming, and the first one is a fake or counterfeit christ, and today he is called the Antichrist or "instead of Christ".


Heresies always work their way into the church in innocence, and in time those heresies become traditions that people come to rely on. That is the way that many of the simple things like Easter bonnets and rolling Easter eggs became acceptable to Christians. Today the most important part of the Christian's year, or Passover, the day that Christ came out of the tomb, and it is completely rejected in favor of the heathen festival, "the feast of Ishtar" which is called "Easter". The eggs part of the Easter celebration was part of a sexual orgy that was held in the woods, and down through the years, it has been allowed to represent something spiritual. Sure all these things are done in ignorance, but what is sad is that the true thing that is important to our Lord are completely overlooked.


When Christ went to the cross, He became our Passover. He became all those things that our Heavenly Father told us to remember for all generation at Passover. He became the blood on the doorpost, that when the death angel Lucifer saw the blood, he was ordered by God to pass over and leave those behind the door alone. This is all said to illustrate how traditions and heathenism can work into something as sacred as that day of Jesus Christ's crucifixion. It shows the complete lack of scholarship that exists in most churches today. It is truly sad to see what the great day of Passover has become down through the years.
 

AllenW

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2 Peter 2New King James Version (NKJV)

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

  • These false teachers are amongst the body of Christ
  • The Lord bought them – they are included in the redemption offer
  • Yet we see a different response from these false teachers to what is considered a godly response to this redemption – they “deny” the Lord.
  • How do they “deny” Him in a church context? Do you think they come in and say Christ cannot save you? Do they not speak Church lingo?
  • “Denying” here is the Greek G720 – Which means to “contradict”. They contradict the Lord Jesus’ words. They twist scriptures 2 Peter 3 v16b which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
  • 1 John 4v1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

  • Notice there is only one way (singular) of truth, but many ways (plural) of destruction
  • What is the way of truth?
  • Jesus said John 14v6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
  • Galatians 1v6-10 [SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
  • A man pleasing gospel is not a God pleasing gospel. Unfortunately this is what we find in the corporate church today. A man pleasing gospel cannot save you.
  • Luke 13v24 [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
  • Those who seek to enter were those who thought they had the truth of the gospel but didn’t (verse 25 and 26). What disqualified them was simply this: (verse 27) – they were workers of iniquity. They thought they could have both Christ and their sins.
  • A true gospel message will always include the renunciation of your sins as a core gospel message. This means not only confession and seeking forgiveness, but also forsaking them. Proverbs 28v13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
    But whoever confesses
    and forsakes them will have mercy.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[SUP][a][/SUP] not slumber. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

  • Do not be confused. The topic here remains on “sin”.
  • This next passage is going to build for you a comparison of God’s righteous judgements on sin, no matter what part of His creation He is dealing with.
  • He will over the next few passages of scripture show that these false prophets will likewise be in line for the same judgements that God meted out on all of these enemies of the cross. Philippians 3v18-19 [SUP]18 [/SUP]For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

  • Ungodliness brings judgement; Righteousness brings deliverance.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked [SUP]8 [/SUP](for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)—

  • Ungodliness brings judgement; Righteousness brings deliverance.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.

  • Let’s look at verse 9 again: The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations.
  • Hebrews 4v15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
  • Because Jesus overcame sin in the flesh Romans 8v3 [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
  • Now that Jesus (praise the Lord) obtained victory over the flesh, He by the power of the Spirit working in us can appropriate the same to His believers.
  • 1 Corinthians 10v13 [SUP]13 [/SUP]No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
  • So believer, do you “believe” these scriptures? If indeed you believe.

They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, [SUP]11 [/SUP]whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

  • Presumptuous : Def: (of a person or their behaviour) failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
  • Self-willed – the opposite of “Thy Will Be Done”
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.

  • You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7v15-16a [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will know them by their fruits.
  • They cannot cease from sin. As we can see, the gospel message commands us to abstain from sinning. It commands us to resist temptations. Yet these teachers make allowances for this lifestyle.
  • And by this lifestyle, and the message of “Grace, Grace” they entice unstable souls away from the truth. The theme could be: “Here, we are Christian brothers, you can do as I do. God isn’t the same as the strict Old Testament God anymore. We are not under the law but under grace, so you are now free indeed. All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Thank God for His grace and mercy. Let’s go party tonight.” And so they fall into the snare of the enemy.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; [SUP]16 [/SUP]but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are wells without water, clouds[SUP][b][/SUP] carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.[SUP][c][/SUP]

  • To forsake means to leave behind or abandon (Strongs 2641)
  • They have left behind the right way and chosen a path of unrighteousness, the way of the flesh.
  • For Balaam, a prophet of God (yes he was a prophet of God, and heard the voice of God) was willing to go a curse the nation of Israel, his brothers, for a sum of money. Instead of heeding the leading of the Spirit, he succumbed to the riches of the world. Balaam eventually sold out again in Numbers 31v16 and showed the way to bring the curses upon Israel through their disobedience. That’s right – the curses of God land on those who are walking in disobedience. Both Israel, as well as Balaam were judged.
  • In the same way, both the deceiver as well as the deceived both share in the same judgement from God. Matthew 23v15 [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[SUP][d][/SUP] from those who live in error.

  • let it be clear from this scripture, that there is a distinction being made in this verse between the (A) false teacher and (B) those who are being deceived.
  • The ones speaking swelling words and alluring are the false teachers.
  • The ones targeted are those “who have escaped” from those who live in error.
  • Many assume that because the preceding paragraphs in this chapter talk about false teachers, that this applies to this and the next few verses. No. You are now able to see the effects of the teachings and seductions of these false teachers upon those who have previously escaped the world.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

  • They (false teachers) promise them (believers who have previously escaped the world) liberty
  • Yet this promise to the believer of liberty is pointless, because the false teachers themselves are slaves of corruption.
  • And what exactly is this bondage? It is bondage once again to sin.
  • Romans 6v16 [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
  • Believer, do you believe you have such liberty that sin is of no consequence to your eternal security?

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

  • Who is this scripture referring to? It is referring to the same ones in verse 18 (who have actually escaped).
  • These are those who have committed their lives to Jesus Christ, have escaped to pollutions of the world (escape means escape). For one cannot escape unless there is a deliverance by the Lord. For a person cannot escape by their own moral effort, as it has been proven in scripture that: Romans 3v10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
  • Yet we have a situation where those who have escaped have not continued to heed the Lord’s warnings to test the spirits 1 John 4v1, not rightly dividing the word of truth 2 Timothy 2v15; not leaned on the Lord for understanding 1 John 2v26-27. They have misjudged the standard of righteousness, through the seduction of false teachers.
  • And because they have heeded these teachings, they have fallen back into a sinful and fleshly lifestyle. This becomes a snare to them (Hebrews 12v1; Job 18v9)
  • They begin to ignore the true warnings from the Lord to repent, for they have been lulled into the false teaching that repentance was a one-time event at conversion. That it’s no longer needed. And so this believer, having started off so well, remains entangled and eventually overcome. The end state apostasy is the fruit of unrighteousness.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,”[SUP][e][/SUP] and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

  • The apostates, having once known the way of righteousness, having once actually escaped the world – if they be overcome – will be judged more harshly than an unbeliever who never accepted Christ.
  • Luke 12 v46-48 [SUP]46 [/SUP]the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP] 48 [/SUP]But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few.
Hi Chris, are you getting things twisted and mixed up here?
Judas Iscariot was bought by Jesus, yet he knew all along he was a devil.

1 John 2:19;
:They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
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1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
These false teachers are amongst the body of Christ
among them but not of them

The Lord bought them – they are included in the redemption offer
Even as He gave Himself as a ransom for all. But the majority rejected Him.


Yet we see a different response from these false teachers to what is considered a godly response to this redemption – they “deny” the Lord.
They were never His.
How do they “deny” Him in a church context? Do you think they come in and say Christ cannot save you? Do they not speak Church lingo?

There are many such today. They were never real Christians.
“Denying” here is the Greek G720 – Which means to “contradict”. They contradict the Lord Jesus’ words. They twist scriptures 2 Peter 3 v16b which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
  • They twisted the Scriptures because they were not His.
 
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Hi Chris, are you getting things twisted and mixed up here?
Judas Iscariot was bought by Jesus, yet he knew all along he was a devil.

1 John 2:19;
:They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
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Interesting way to describe Judas Iscariot, what would be some of the verses in the bible that support Judas Iscariot as being bought by Jesus, I do know the verses that say Jesus was sold out by Judas Iscariot, though maybe I'm not understanding correctly what you mean?

You mentioned Jesus always knew Judas Iscariot was A devil, what do you mean by this?
 
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[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

Who is this scripture referring to? It is referring to the same ones in verse 18 (who have actually escaped).
And in 2 Peter 2:18, the "they" who speak great swelling words of vanity are those referred to in verse 1 --- the false prophets and false teachers.
 

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And in 2 Peter 2:18, the "they" who speak great swelling words of vanity are those referred to in verse 1 --- the false prophets and false teachers.
Correct. Then the "They" referred to in verse 18 begin to deceive the ones who have actually escaped. See below.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[SUP][d][/SUP] from those who live in error.

"They" allure the "Ones who have actually escaped".



Then verse 20....refers to the Ones who have previous escaped (in verse 18). It is now talking about the ones who have been deceived by the false teachers....

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
 

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They were never His.
It says that [SUP]15 [/SUP]They have forsaken the right way and gone astray,

See commentary above.

This part still refers to the false teachers in verse 1
 
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The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with usforever!

2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of
the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

As for 2 Peter 2 - here is the answer to that - that has been talked about in light of the New Covenant many times.

The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1 - then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )

then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus 1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.

Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell as works-based belief systems try to always say.

Here is a post #49 from mailmandan that dissects 2 Peter 2:20 down for us. Click on the link below or maybe mailmandan will see it and post about this.

Twice dead
 

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The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1 - then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )

then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus 1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.

Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell as works-based belief systems try to always say.

Verse 18 the transition is made. In plain English. So the chapter talks about false teachers (up to verse 18) and then the impact on believers who fall for this deception, from verse 18 onwards.

Then the impact is hell. Why? Because all unbelievers go to hell. Therefore a believer who turns away from the Lord through this deception is worse off than the unbeliever who never believed, then that means hell as well.
 
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The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
The Spirit of truth is with usforever!

2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of
the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

As for 2 Peter 2 - here is the answer to that - that has been talked about in light of the New Covenant many times.

The whole chapter 2 in 2 Peter is talking about false prophets in verse 1 - then in verse 9 Peter talks about the unrighteous ( the unbeliever )

then in verse 13..they are stains and blemishes ( believers have no spot or blemish because of Jesus 1 Peter 1:19 Eph 5:27 Eph 1:4 )..all through that chapter he is not describing a believer in Christ.

Even "IF" it is talking about a believer it still does not say they go to hell as works-based belief systems try to always say.

Here is a post #49 from mailmandan that dissects 2 Peter 2:20 down for us. Click on the link below or maybe mailmandan will see it and post about this.

Twice dead
Nice post Bro, surely you be a fisher of men... :)
 
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Verse 18 the transition is made. In plain English. So the chapter talks about false teachers (up to verse 18) and then the impact on believers who fall for this deception, from verse 18 onwards.

Then the impact is hell. Why? Because all unbelievers go to hell. Therefore a believer who turns away from the Lord through this deception is worse off than the unbeliever who never believed, then that means hell as well.
he IS talking about those who heard the word, maybe believed it, but never really trusted it, tasted it, but never swallowed it (hence why it did not take root or produce fruit)

it it is worse for them, because they were this close to salvation, and let it slip away, then the unbeliever who never gave it any thought but rejected t outright from the beginning.
 
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Chris1975 said:
"They" allure the "Ones who have actually escaped".
Please see the verse as written in numerous translations.

New International Version
For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

New Living Translation
They brag about themselves with empty, foolish boasting. With an appeal to twisted sexual desires, they lure back into sin those who have barely escaped from a lifestyle of deception.

English Standard Version
For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.

New American Standard Bible
For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,

International Standard Version
By talking high-sounding nonsense and using sinful cravings of the flesh, they entice people who have just escaped from those who live in error.

NET Bible
For by speaking high-sounding but empty words they are able to entice, with fleshly desires and with debauchery, people who have just escaped from those who reside in error.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
When they utter empty horrors, they seduce by filthy desires of the flesh those who had just escaped from those who were employed in deception.

New American Standard 1977
For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For, speaking proud words of vanity, they allure by the desires of fleshly riotousness, those who for a little while escape, such as converse in error:

English Revised Version
For, uttering great swelling words of vanity, they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by lasciviousness, those who are just escaping from them that live in error;


In the version you posted, the word "actually" is the Greek word oligōs:


few, small, a while.
Of uncertain affinity; puny (in extent, degree, number, duration or value); especially neuter (adverbially) somewhat -- + almost, brief(-ly), few, (a) little, + long, a season, short, small, a while.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance


It is used in Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

It is used in James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.


2 Peter 2:18 tells us that these false prophets and false teachers speak great swelling words of vanity to those who have been attending church for a little time, almost born again (like King Agrippa in Acts). They are searching for truth but have not yet been born again. And these false prophets / teachers prey on those who are searching for the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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he IS talking about those who heard the word, maybe believed it, but never really trusted it, tasted it, but never swallowed it (hence why it did not take root or produce fruit)

it it is worse for them, because they were this close to salvation, and let it slip away, then the unbeliever who never gave it any thought but rejected t outright from the beginning.
No. It says they escaped. And there is only one way to escape. And that is by God's mercy and grace. For He initiates it, no? Not of yourselves, correct?
 

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Please see the verse as written in numerous translations.

New International Version
For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

New Living Translation
They brag about themselves with empty, foolish boasting. With an appeal to twisted sexual desires, they lure back into sin those who have barely escaped from a lifestyle of deception.

English Standard Version
For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error.

New American Standard Bible
For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,

International Standard Version
By talking high-sounding nonsense and using sinful cravings of the flesh, they entice people who have just escaped from those who live in error.

NET Bible
For by speaking high-sounding but empty words they are able to entice, with fleshly desires and with debauchery, people who have just escaped from those who reside in error.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
When they utter empty horrors, they seduce by filthy desires of the flesh those who had just escaped from those who were employed in deception.

New American Standard 1977
For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For, speaking proud words of vanity, they allure by the desires of fleshly riotousness, those who for a little while escape, such as converse in error:

English Revised Version
For, uttering great swelling words of vanity, they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by lasciviousness, those who are just escaping from them that live in error;


In the version you posted, the word "actually" is the Greek word oligōs:





It is used in Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

It is used in James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.


2 Peter 2:18 tells us that these false prophets and false teachers speak great swelling words of vanity to those who have been attending church for a little time, almost born again (like King Agrippa in Acts). They are searching for truth but have not yet been born again. And these false prophets / teachers prey on those who are searching for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well we can be thankful that verse 20 clarifies it all..... for 'After' they have escaped.

So escape happened.
 
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No. It says they escaped. And there is only one way to escape. And that is by God's mercy and grace. For He initiates it, no? Not of yourselves, correct?
Yes. God initiates. He always calls us to Him.

However, what happens in those who never come to faith in Him is they suppress the truth in unrighteousness, just as Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. ( ESV)
 

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Well we can be thankful that verse 20 clarifies it all..... for 'After' they have escaped.

So escape happened.
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If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before.

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first.

For if, having escaped the pollutions of the world through theknowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, now again having been entangled in these they are subdued, the last state has become worse to them than the first.

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For if, having escaped the world's impurity through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in these things and defeated, the last state is worse for them than the first.

For if, after escaping the world's corruptions through a full knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah, they are again entangled and conquered by those corruptions, then their last condition is worse than their former one.

For if after they have escaped the filthy things of the world through the rich knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again get entangled in them and succumb to them, their last state has become worse for them than their first.

For if, after they have escaped the defilement of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in it and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

For if when they have fled the abominations of the world by the teaching of our Lord and our Savior, Yeshua The Messiah, they are again entangled in these things, they are overcome again, and their end is worse than the beginning.

People can know our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and escape the world's filth. But if they get involved in this filth again and give in to it, they are worse off than they were before.

For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

Certainly, if having separated themselves from the contaminations of the world, by the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they again entangle themselves therein and are overcome, their latter end is made worse for them than the beginnings.

For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first.

For if, flying from the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they be again entangled in them and overcome: their latter state is become unto them worse than the former.

For if after having escaped the pollutions of the world through [the] knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, again entangled, they are subdued by these, their last state is worse than the first.

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For if, after escaping from the pollutions of the world through a full knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, people are once more entangled in these pollutions and are overcome, their last state has become worse than their first.

For if, after they have escaped the defilement of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in it and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

for, if having escaped from the pollutions of the world, in the acknowledging of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and by these again being entangled, they have been overcome, become to them hath the last things worse than the first,





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Yes. God initiates. He always calls us to Him.

However, what happens in those who never come to faith in Him is they suppress the truth in unrighteousness, just as Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. ( ESV)
Yet this passage says they escaped. You can only escape by faith, no? Or is there any other way to escape the world biblically?