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OneFaith

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I don’t think many people understand salvation, at least, not many younger people.

One group of people seems to think that people will burn in hell forever. If you believe this, then you must believe the Lord is incapable of, or unwilling to, discipline the people he creates into fulfilling that which is required to avoid such a fate.

Another group seems to think that if at some point you accept the Lord as your Savior, you live happily ever after, no matter what you do. If you believe this, I think you are in for a rude awakening.

I believe we are all bound for heaven. It will be a much, much easier ride for those who accept the Lord’s discipline.

"For if it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" 1Peter 4:18
 
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With all due respect I don't think that accepting Jesus is the last thing going thru a suicide bomber's mind as he kills his victims.
Blessings
Bill
In one micro second, the Lord can do what it would take you and me a thousand years to do.
 
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Sexual sinners go into the Great Tribulation (Rev. 2:18–24). If they've rejected the gospel prior to the rapture they will be sent a strong delusion to believe the lie (2 Thess 2:11).
I suspect most people are wrestling with one or more sins (pride, immoral sexual lust, substance abuse, etc.), so when you say, "We've graduated from the Ten Commandments." I have to wonder where you are coming from.
 
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[Our law higher not lower (Mt 5-7)]...[W]hen you say, "We've graduated from the Ten Commandments." I have to wonder where you are coming from.
I'm coming from the church.
Are you still under the law?
Haven't repented? Never plan to?
1 Ti 1:9

See:

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miknik5

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I don’t think many people understand salvation, at least, not many younger people.

One group of people seems to think that people will burn in hell forever. If you believe this, then you must believe the Lord is incapable of, or unwilling to, discipline the people he creates into fulfilling that which is required to avoid such a fate.

Another group seems to think that if at some point you accept the Lord as your Savior, you live happily ever after, no matter what you do. If you believe this, I think you are in for a rude awakening.

I believe we are all bound for heaven. It will be a much, much easier ride for those who accept the Lord’s discipline.
Can you explain what the outcome is for those whose names are not found in the book of life
 

Jimbone

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In one micro second, the Lord can do what it would take you and me a thousand years to do.
Yeah but all we can go on is what is written, all you are presenting is presumption. Are YOU your own final authority? Because you are not anyone else's, and this universalism you are trying to convince everyone of is totally foreign to the Bible, and against everything that not only Jesus told us, but against the very reason He even came. Please back up that everyone will be saved with scripture please. If you are just saying that you feel God will not let anyone stay in hell for eternity, and there is a way for them to enter back into His presents after dying a lost soul, then you are so FAR outside of what the Bible even talks about as to be lost in the land of personal opinion. If you feel that way then that's one thing, but please don't act like we should share that opinion, or that the WHOLE Bible doesn't directly contradict that idea.

If we were all going to end up with God regardless of our sin, then Jesus was not needed and died in vain. This whole idea is so far from Biblical Christianity it's hard to even call it heresy, it's just you own made up fantasy feeling that has nothing to do with whats written in the Bible. You have to be careful not to form God in your own personal image, and base Him on what you "think" He is.
 
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notuptome

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notuptome

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You don't know what happens on a person's deathbed.
You remember the great and first commandment is to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls. Does that suggest to you that he desires to have personal relationships with us?
The law was given to reveal to us our sin. The law does not give life but condemnation.

Sin separates us from God and prevents any relationship other than that of enemies.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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The sinner at the point of death is not concerned with forgiveness but one more breath of life.

How many deathbeds have you witnessed?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You can't read people's minds.
 
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The sinner at the point of death is not concerned with forgiveness but one more breath of life.

How many deathbeds have you witnessed?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You can't read people's minds.
What goes on between a person and the Lord in the last seconds of a person's life is hidden from you and me.
 
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The law was given to reveal to us our sin. The law does not give life but condemnation.

Sin separates us from God and prevents any relationship other than that of enemies.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes, sin separates us from the Lord. You might have noticed I frequently quote Matt 4:17 (Revised Standard Version):

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

There is your key to heaven. There is nothing preventing us from walking in at this very moment.
 
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We should obey the Lord's commandments. Why wouldn't you want to?
An unbeliever and a make-believer don't obey--can't obey the law (Ro 7).
The law showed us how sinful we are and we agreed with God that we need a savior; so, we put our trust in him. We live by faith (Ro 8).
 
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notuptome

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What goes on between a person and the Lord in the last seconds of a person's life is hidden from you and me.
You seem to have an aversion to the blood of Christ making atonement for your sin. I know that God hardened the heart of Pharaohs heart was hardened so he no longer desired to repent. So it is with the sinner that resists to the end.

Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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An unbeliever and a make-believer don't obey--can't obey the law.
The law showed us how sinful we are and we agreed with God that we need a savior so we put our trust in him. We live by faith (Ro 8).
When we obey the Lord, we avoid a lot of serious trouble.
 
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When we obey the Lord, we avoid a lot of serious trouble.
We obey the Lord because we love him and we love our neighbor (Ro 8).


I don't cheat on my husband because I have a post-it note on the visor in my car that reads: Don't forget--don't cheat on hubby today and then drive through town like a braying horse looking for someone to bed (Ps 32:9, Pr 26:4, Jer 2:24, Jas 3:3)--
whilst remembering my pledge for the day.


Who could keep that up for a lifetime? 1 Ti 1:19
 

tourist

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The sinner at the point of death is not concerned with forgiveness but one more breath of life.

How many deathbeds have you witnessed?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Personally, I have witnessed one.