Chose Your Theological Flower, TULIP, ROSES or DAISY

[Johnny_B]

CALVINISM: TULIP
T: Total depravity – Every facet of every person everywhere has been marred by sin.
U: Unconditional election – God chooses those to be saved based solely on His will.
L: Limited atonement – Christ died only for those who are elect.
I: Irresistible grace – The elect cannot resist God’s call to salvation.
P: Perseverance of the saints – The elect cannot lose their salvation.

ARMINIANISM: DAISY*
D: Diminished depravity – Humanity is depraved, but God uses prevenient grace to restore man’s ability to respond to Him.
A: Abrogated election – God bases His election on His foreknowledge of those who freely choose Him.
I: Impersonal atonement – Christ died for everyone, making salvation possible for everyone.
S: Sedentary grace – God calls everyone to salvation, but many freely reject it.
Y: Yieldable justification – The saved can fall from grace and lose their salvation.

*The DAISY acronym is much harder to pin down as there are several different versions (I’ll discuss another when analyzing Arminianism). Also, many Arminians do not like the acrostic. Several versions of DAISY have been pushed by Calvinists as caricatures of Arminian theology. Many Calvinists seem to also enjoy making the lame joke that the Arminian flower is a daisy because they pull the petals off saying, “God loves me. He loves me not.”

MOLINISM: ROSES*
R: Radical depravity – Every aspect of humanity is depraved, but we are not always as bad as we could be.
O: Overcoming grace – God’s grace is persistent in the life of the believer, but it can be resisted.
S: Sovereign election – God desires the salvation of all, but our salvation is based on His choice not ours.
E: Eternal life – God grants believers eternal security in their salvation.
S: Singular redemption – Christ died sufficiently for all people, but efficiently only for the saved.

*Timothy George, a Calvinist Baptist, uses the same acrostic as Kenneth Keathley, a Molinist. The differences lie in the way the terms are defined. I will focus on the Molinist understanding as we will discuss the various forms and moderations of Calvinism with the TULIP.

Tomorrow, we will start off our exploration of the flower bed with the most well known of the botanical acrostics – TULIP.

 

[Chris1975]

In my opinion, this can begin to confuse those who are coming to the faith.

It almost sets in concrete a new believer into framing all of his/her theology according to this (one of these), as opposed to allowing the scriptures to speak for themselves.

That is why, probably, there exists this arm-wrestling in the body of Christ.

You should never substitute bible study (where the Holy Spirit teaches a soul) with an indoctrination program.

 

[Johnny_B]

Beauty In All the Flowers: TULIP, DAISY & ROSES - The Wardrobe DoorThe Wardrobe Door

 

[trofimus]

ROSES sounds quite good to me.

DAISY sounds sometimes good, sometimes not to me.

TULIP sounds good to me

 

[Johnny_B]

In my opinion, this can begin to confuse those who are coming to the faith.

It almost sets in concrete a new believer into framing all of his/her theology according to this (one of these), as opposed to allowing the scriptures to speak for themselves.

That is why, probably, there exists this arm-wrestling in the body of Christ.

You should never substitute bible study (where the Holy Spirit teaches a soul) with an indoctrination program.

I posted all three and new believers need to know what these are, so no one can feed them a line as to what it is. I remember all the lies I was told and told, about Calvinism because I did not know the truth about. All the need not is one for Dispensationalism, like P.A.N.S.Y., V.I.O.L.A., O.R.P.I.N., P.O.P.P.Y. all we need top do is figure out what their five points are and we'll have a theological flower bed.

 

[trofimus]

And my favourite and the best theory - the best world view is not present again... sigh

 

[Chris1975]

Or this flower:

B
I
B
L
E

 

[Muzungu256]

all of those look ok but i think the most God based is the tulip so i would choose that if those three are options!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all glory to God at the end of the day!!!!!!!!!!

 

[preacher4truth]

Or this flower:

B
I
B
L
E

That sounds good and all on the surface but once you begin to tell others your Bible beliefs you'll fall into one camp or the other. Of course no one wants to believe that as if they were Spiritual mavericks but the fact remains; it is true.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I would recommend any new believer to just read the bible first before hearing the oponions of human doctrines.

And then see what seem to agree with what scripture has revealed.

Learning mans doctrines before reading the bible puts a biased potential lens over truth in scripture.

 

[Marano]

I would recommend any new believer to just read the bible first before hearing the oponions of human doctrines.

And then see what seem to agree with what scripture has revealed.

Learning mans doctrines before reading the bible puts a biased potential lens over truth in scripture.

That's what happened to me, I found out I believed what people called calvinism after reading romans 9 alone, it was my belief that without presuppositions, we would all see the same thing, if we just started with God.

 

[WineRose]

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Well...

You know what I'm gonna say, right...

(The hint is in the username...)

 

[Johnny_B]

ROSES sounds quite good to me.

DAISY sounds sometimes good, sometimes not to me.

TULIP sounds good to me

Roses is what Timothy George in his book Amazing Grace, which is on sale at CBD for 3.99 it was 2.99 last month, came up with he is a moderate Calvinist or a Molinist. Someone is trying to put one together for Dispensationalists, he was calling it dispy but that not a flower, but their beliefs that he posted had nothing to do with salvation.

 

[Dino246]

That sounds good and all on the surface but once you begin to tell others your Bible beliefs you'll fall into one camp or the other. Of course no one wants to believe that as if they were Spiritual mavericks but the fact remains; it is true.

This is essentially true, though it still looks like a false trichotomy (as though these three were actually the only options).

There is an amazing amount of discussion on this matter. I generally avoid it, because, fundamentally, those of us who are saved and escape the eternal punishment for our sin do so only because of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. All the rest, while it might satisfy the intellect or the emotions, doesn't change that fact. To me, the rest seems a bit like fussing over who took the garbage out after the truck carries it away. I think there is a valid place for this discussion, but I also think there are more important things to get on with doing.

 

[Desertsrose]

all of those look ok but i think the most God based is the tulip so i would choose that if those three are options!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all glory to God at the end of the day!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Muzungu,

Why choose any. There's another choice. Read the bible, study it and let God teach you His truths. Not truths formulated by man.

God gave us His word, man gives us some form of systematic theology.

 

[Desertsrose]

CALVINISM: TULIP
T: Total depravity – Every facet of every person everywhere has been marred by sin.
U: Unconditional election – God chooses those to be saved based solely on His will.
L: Limited atonement – Christ died only for those who are elect.
I: Irresistible grace – The elect cannot resist God’s call to salvation.
P: Perseverance of the saints – The elect cannot lose their salvation.

ARMINIANISM: DAISY*
D: Diminished depravity – Humanity is depraved, but God uses prevenient grace to restore man’s ability to respond to Him.
A: Abrogated election – God bases His election on His foreknowledge of those who freely choose Him.
I: Impersonal atonement – Christ died for everyone, making salvation possible for everyone.
S: Sedentary grace – God calls everyone to salvation, but many freely reject it.
Y: Yieldable justification – The saved can fall from grace and lose their salvation.

*The DAISY acronym is much harder to pin down as there are several different versions (I’ll discuss another when analyzing Arminianism). Also, many Arminians do not like the acrostic. Several versions of DAISY have been pushed by Calvinists as caricatures of Arminian theology. Many Calvinists seem to also enjoy making the lame joke that the Arminian flower is a daisy because they pull the petals off saying, “God loves me. He loves me not.”

MOLINISM: ROSES*
R: Radical depravity – Every aspect of humanity is depraved, but we are not always as bad as we could be.
O: Overcoming grace – God’s grace is persistent in the life of the believer, but it can be resisted.
S: Sovereign election – God desires the salvation of all, but our salvation is based on His choice not ours.
E: Eternal life – God grants believers eternal security in their salvation.
S: Singular redemption – Christ died sufficiently for all people, but efficiently only for the saved.

*Timothy George, a Calvinist Baptist, uses the same acrostic as Kenneth Keathley, a Molinist. The differences lie in the way the terms are defined. I will focus on the Molinist understanding as we will discuss the various forms and moderations of Calvinism with the TULIP.

Tomorrow, we will start off our exploration of the flower bed with the most well known of the botanical acrostics – TULIP.

Arminians came up with their own. Just the facts, please.

Freed by Grace (to Believe)
Atonement for All
Conditional Election
Total Depravity
Security in Christ

 

[Johnny_B]

Arminians came up with their own. Just the facts, please.

Freed by Grace (to Believe)
Atonement for All
Conditional Election
Total Depravity
Security in Christ

I got that at a website that I posted. I came up with this one.

Dispensationalism VIOLA
Violent depravity — Mankind is deprived, they can do good, but in pleasing God.
Inclusive reconciliation — Christ died for all mankind, that they might be saved.
Omniscient election — God chooses whom He wills, for His purpose.
Life everlasting — Believers are seal by the promised Holy Spirit, until they receive their inheritance.
Alluring grace — God’s grace works in the believe’s life to accept it, but it can be rejected.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

That's what happened to me, I found out I believed what people called calvinism after reading romans 9 alone, it was my belief that without presuppositions, we would all see the same thing, if we just started with God.

After reading the whole bible alone my beliefs fit more with the Wesleyan version of Armenian. I took all scripture as one message. Not one letter but all of scripture.

 

[Christian71]

Born again thru the...
Incarnate Christ...
Because of the...
Love of the...
Eternal Godhead!

That's doctrinal enough!... K. James

 

[Demi777]

Well Ill make my own flower up for this
B Believe
I Inner peace by Christ
B Be Born again
L Love that's ever lasting
E Eternal life