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    In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus has forewarned there will be spectacularly deceptive "false prophets" who will emerge and perpetrate a highly successful and terribly tragic deception...which will cause a great many to fall from the faith.

    Any number of us have come across (what seems to be) evidence of a sizable number of these "undercover agents" who have infiltrated the church world. I have attempted to blog about all of this.

    For openers, I would invite any and all to offer any observations about this 1986 Time magazine cover photo of Pat Robertson (seen below). I emphasize that I would NEVER expect anyone to jump to a conclusion about what is going on with Robertson and this photo.

    BUT...this deserves to be questioned: WHAT is he doing with this bizarre posing of his hand?

    I can tell you right now - with relatively little research, ANYONE can begin to uncover a huge and hidden world of occultism among the powerful and elite. As any Bible student should know, the Devil is undertaking a global conquest which will result in an Antichrist world regime. The Devil doesn't get to just wave a magic wand and install his Antichrist at the pinnacle of world government. The Bible describes "wars and rumors of wars". In the end times, nation will rise up against nation.

    Occultism, by very definition, is all about hiddenness and secretiveness. That's what the word "occult" means - "hidden" or "secret".

    So I ask you - do you think there is anything to be concerned about here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus has forewarned there will be spectacularly deceptive "false prophets" who will emerge and perpetrate a highly successful and terribly tragic deception...which will cause a great many to fall from the faith.

    Any number of us have come across (what seems to be) evidence of a sizable number of these "undercover agents" who have infiltrated the church world. I have attempted to blog about all of this.

    For openers, I would invite any and all to offer any observations about this 1986 Time magazine cover photo of Pat Robertson (seen below). I emphasize that I would NEVER expect anyone to jump to a conclusion about what is going on with Robertson and this photo.

    BUT...this deserves to be questioned: WHAT is he doing with this bizarre posing of his hand?

    I can tell you right now - with relatively little research, ANYONE can begin to uncover a huge and hidden world of occultism among the powerful and elite. As any Bible student should know, the Devil is undertaking a global conquest which will result in an Antichrist world regime. The Devil doesn't get to just wave a magic wand and install his Antichrist at the pinnacle of world government. The Bible describes "wars and rumors of wars". In the end times, nation will rise up against nation.

    Occultism, by very definition, is all about hiddenness and secretiveness. That's what the word "occult" means - "hidden" or "secret".

    So I ask you - do you think there is anything to be concerned about here?

    Geez can a guy scratch himself during a photo shoot or is that also a SIN!?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    For openers, I would invite any and all to offer any observations about this 1986 Time magazine cover photo of Pat Robertson (seen below). I emphasize that I would NEVER expect anyone to jump to a conclusion about what is going on with Robertson and this photo.

    BUT...this deserves to be questioned: WHAT is he doing with this bizarre posing of his hand?
    You're asking others what he is doing with his hand. I really don't know. What do you think it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus has forewarned there will be spectacularly deceptive "false prophets" who will emerge and perpetrate a highly successful and terribly tragic deception...which will cause a great many to fall from the faith.

    Any number of us have come across (what seems to be) evidence of a sizable number of these "undercover agents" who have infiltrated the church world. I have attempted to blog about all of this.

    For openers, I would invite any and all to offer any observations about this 1986 Time magazine cover photo of Pat Robertson (seen below). I emphasize that I would NEVER expect anyone to jump to a conclusion about what is going on with Robertson and this photo.

    BUT...this deserves to be questioned: WHAT is he doing with this bizarre posing of his hand?

    I can tell you right now - with relatively little research, ANYONE can begin to uncover a huge and hidden world of occultism among the powerful and elite. As any Bible student should know, the Devil is undertaking a global conquest which will result in an Antichrist world regime. The Devil doesn't get to just wave a magic wand and install his Antichrist at the pinnacle of world government. The Bible describes "wars and rumors of wars". In the end times, nation will rise up against nation.

    Occultism, by very definition, is all about hiddenness and secretiveness. That's what the word "occult" means - "hidden" or "secret".

    So I ask you - do you think there is anything to be concerned about here?

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    what I see is a man "clutching at his heart" which could imply that THE GOSPEL is received and hidden in the heart

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    Jude gives three examples.....

    One pushed works
    One for money
    One usurped a God called man to lead

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    The hand looks fairly suspicious and unnatural here, so there is something that should be looked into.

    The three fingers are the top of the numbers 666, with the bottom knuckle representing the bottom of each 666 number.

    These days they use the OK sign (thumb and index finger touch, with the other three pointing up)


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    You do know that 666 is what Isis has on their forehead and armband?

    It's not numbers, it's symbols. Read Walid Shoebat's writings.
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    Let's try rumitroid arthritis. He also shakes. Seen a lot of these photo conspiracies it's a shame.

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    I like Pat Robertson alright, he does not seen nearly as bad as many TV Ministers, however that is one very strange pose, why in the world would he pose like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by preacher4truth View Post
    You're asking others what he is doing with his hand. I really don't know. What do you think it is?
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    I like Pat Robertson alright, he does not seen nearly as bad as many TV Ministers, however that is one very strange pose, why in the world would he pose like that?
    When I'm trying to get people to understand my thought processes regarding this subject...I ask them first to use some common sense. Yes, later on, we can get into some 'deeper' stuff and some specific evidence but...I ask:

    What can we deduce right off the top?

    Well...I think it fair and reasonable to observe this hand posture is a deliberate pose. But the next question is...what is the significance? What is the meaning?

    Well...one thing is for sure: Back in 1986, NO ONE outside of certain circles would have the vaguest idea what this hand posture signified.

    And even today, with the advent of the Information Age and the Internet...99.99% of conservative Christians have no foggy idea what is signified by this hand posture.

    So then...I would argue we should call a spade, a spade...and simply describe this hand signal for what it is: A secret signal.

    It's a secret to those of us who don't know what it signifies. Is that fair enough of an observation?

    OK so...I'll let the cat out of the bag at this point and tell you I received confirmation directly from two of the top ex-Freemasons in the country...that this is indeed an occult signaling. Mind you, they were very, very quick to add...they didn't think Pat Robertson was aware of what he was doing and that they believed the photographer manipulated him into posing like this.

    But to me, I found that to be a very hasty, premature 'jump to a conclusion'. I picked up almost an anxious vibe in their haste to 'clear' Robertson of intrigue. A kind of prejudice against the idea there could be such a thing as a concealed wolf who had risen to a top level of Christian leadership.

    Mind you, I'm not asking anyone to conclude anything about this magazine cover or conclude anything about Robertson...at this point.

    BUT...I would assert you run out of "innocent" explanations" rather quickly. More thoughts later.
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    Who will go up to Ramoth gilead with me

    all this is is men casting suspicion of others and gathering around them a troop who will agree with them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris1975 View Post
    The hand looks fairly suspicious and unnatural here, so there is something that should be looked into.

    The three fingers are the top of the numbers 666, with the bottom knuckle representing the bottom of each 666 number.

    These days they use the OK sign (thumb and index finger touch, with the other three pointing up)

    a bazaar concept for sure, next it will be the peace sign, fears of shadow hands indeed.

    Need one and half people to complete that sign, lol
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    So anyway...yes, this is an occult signaling. It's called "the Lion's Paw", also known as the Sign of the Fellow Craft. It signals a blood oath, that the person will keep the secrecy of the occult group he is a apart of...upon penalty of supposedly having his heart torn out (ouch).



    This occult salute has been previously made famous by, among others, Napoleon. Robertson's salute was boldly out in the open. Others had concealed the salute:






    US President Franklin Pierce


    Karl Marx


    President Rutherford Hayes


    President Andrew Johnson


    Interestingly, Robertson had previously denounced secret societies, Freemasonry, etc.. So...I think any clear-thinking Christian individual should immediately have ALL his alarm bells go off. Alas, we live in an age of sleeping, snoring, snoozing, slumbering believers. I have found most believers don't care. Or don't want to know about it or think about it. Don't want to interrupt their Caffè Latte sitting over at Starbucks.

    A clear-thinking believer should really be pressing for answers: Why in the world is Robertson doing an occult signal?

    Yes, there is the argument that he might have been 'instructed' to pose in this fashion. But...first of all, if you go far enough down the trail of evidence, you will find there are, in fact, dozens upon dozens of Christian "luminaries" who are similarly flashing occult signals and/or symbols. So there's that.

    Secondly, it's a bit weak to suggest Robertson was 'ordered' to make this otherwise bizarre pose: Like him or not, he is a very strongly self-directed man with a strong personality and a near-billion dollar portfolio. He's nobody's waterboy. And here he is posing for a momentous once-in-a-lifetime Time magazine cover photo...and he's going to let some photographer gofer tell him to make a bizarre, embarrassing pose which he has no understanding of? That's weak.

    And notice below, he posed for a variation of the Time cover...and is still holding his hand in this weird (and slightly varied) fashion. This was no accident, it would seem:

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    How do we recognize false prophets? The Biblical answer is we will know them by their fruits.

    I don't know Masonic hand signs. Most of the pictures seem to be lower than Robertson's. Johnson's had his thumb out of his jacket, which looks like a different gesture. Robertson's gestures aren't exactly the same. How specific does the hand gesture have to be to be masonic. Was it the style to pose with one's hand in one's jacket way back when, or was that specifically Masonic? Freemasons just might also claim people who weren't theirs because that is what they were told-- that certain historical figures were masons to make their group seem important. These people may have been. Freemasons may not think of themselves as 'the occult', and they may not be taught the incriminating stuff until they get really high up, like in the 32 degree or whatever, or leave the regular Masons for the Shriner or those other groups that require one to get up to the highest level in the normal group. It's been a while since someone explained the freemasonry stuff to me.

    If it was one pose, I'd wonder if some liberal photographer went home laughing to himself for convincing Robertson to pose with some sort of symbol like that, only regretting that he hadn't gotten Jerry Falwell on a cover of a magazine doing the same thing. Robertson could also be kind of gullible when it comes to this sort of thing and posed a hundred different ways, twice, and the photographer got him to do 100 different kinds of poses with his hand, and picked one with a symbol that might hurt him in the election. He didn't seem to have a good grip on how to work the media like Reagan did.

    If someone on here used to be a freemason, or maybe a Mormon (if they borrowed this particular symbol) they could tell us how exact the position has to be to serve as the legitimate signal, whether it has to be in the coat if there is one, if it has to be over the heart, like Robertson's, or over the ribcage like some of the others, etc.

    It is possible to go really overboard accusing people of stuff because they move their hand a certain way or hold their arms a certain way on some occasion. "Look there-- he did that with his fingers or his hand in this part of the video, which is a sign of the occult in some obscure religious movement."
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    Quote Originally Posted by presidente View Post
    If someone on here used to be a freemason, or maybe a Mormon (if they borrowed this particular symbol) they could tell us how exact the position has to be to serve as the legitimate signal, whether it has to be in the coat if there is one, if it has to be over the heart, like Robertson's, or over the ribcage like some of the others, etc.
    You may not have read my OP? I had related that two of the top ex-Masons in the country conceded to me, this is indeed an occult signaling that is used by Freemasons and other occultists...in answer to your question.

    I don't want to reveal the Internet location where this conversation took place, because I was using my real name at the time...and I have had a number of 'unfriendly' encounters with occultists in the past, so I take a few precautions.

    It is possible to go really overboard accusing people of stuff because they move their hand a certain way or hold their arms a certain way on some occasion. "Look there-- he did that with his fingers or his hand in this part of the video, which is a sign of the occult in some obscure religious movement."
    It's possible also to go overboard...in aggressively pooh-poohing and dismissing and attempting to shut down conversations about this kind of thing. There needs to be an opportunity to discuss this. Robertson, for example, has put this behavior out in a public place...therefore it is appropriate for public discussions to take place.

    And your comments about "holding their hand in a certain way" are flying in the face of common sense, so I would argue:

    Obviously he is signaling something. Come on. Is someone going to seriously argue he is just scratching himself or adjusting his jacket or something? Freemason experts I have talked to have confirmed this is an occult signaling. And I had already previous explained and commented about the idea that the photographer asked Robertson to pose this way. That's talked about in post #13. Yes, we need to consider all possibilities.

    picked one with a symbol that might hurt him in the election.
    This Time cover was in 1986. No Internet. Virtually not a soul outside of occult practitioners would know or recognize this signal. There was not one peep of complaint or concern. I actually remember this Time issue. At the time, I was a diehard "Reagan Republican" excited about the fact Robertson had defeated Bush Sr. in the first primary, the "Iowa caucus"...in a run for the US presidency. The strange thing is...I clearly remember this Time issue and remember the cover...but have zero recollection of this bizarre hand pose. Moral of the story: The brain tends to filter out that which it does not understand.

    Freemasons may not think of themselves as 'the occult',
    Both my grandfathers were Masons. one of them was a 32nd degree. Almost all Masons would admit they utilize occult symbols. And in any case, Bible students (and anyone with common sense) shouldn't have to wait for anyone to concede these are occult symbols. Occultists are those who engage in secrecy and in secret symbol display and occult signaling.

    they may not be taught the incriminating stuff until they get really high up, like in the 32 degree or whatever
    Exactly right. Apparently you know a few things about Masons?

    I don't know Masonic hand signs. Most of the pictures seem to be lower than Robertson's. Johnson's had his thumb out of his jacket, which looks like a different gesture. Robertson's gestures aren't exactly the same. How specific does the hand gesture have to be to be masonic. Was it the style to pose with one's hand in one's jacket way back when, or was that specifically Masonic?
    First of all...clearly, Robertson is making a signal with his hand. And equally clear...no one would know what this signal is outside of the occult world. If you are able to take the time to begin looking at how these guys present these symbols...it is exactly NOT about exact replication. It's the opposite. They try to create as many variations and sneaky modifications as possible and still keep the symbols and signals recognizable.

    Take for example, the "all-seeing-eye" occult symbol...one of the most popular and oft-used occult symbols...and quite often depicted inside of a triangle shape, yet another occult symbol in itself. And no, occultists do not "own" the triangle shape nor do they "own" the eye depiction. But is these are still popular occult symbols. The classic example is on the US One Dollar bill:



    I make a comment about this occult symbol on the US Dollar in my blog:

    "It is amazing and disappointing how many Bible Christians there are who will breezily and absentmindedly declare this is simply the “eye of God”. Come on, people! It doesn’t take two minutes of research to confirm this is a thousands year-old occult/satanic symbol. The eye/triangle is one the most iconic occult symbols there are. And on the Dollar bill it is seen hovering over an Egyptian pyramid. What does the Lord Jesus have to do with Egyptian pyramids? The imagery is signifying an endorsement of the ancient mystery religions of Egypt…which were thoroughly and explicitly satanic."

    More examples:



    Is the movie “Aeon Flux” trying to give glory and indicate allegiance to the Lord God? Is Madonna trying to give honor to the Lord Jesus? No. They are tipping the hat to the “spirit of this world”. In other words, the Devil.


    Most conservative Christians have never realized this but…it becomes quite obvious upon closer examination that there are hundreds if not thousands of corporate logos which utilize occult symbolism. It certainly drives home the point of 1John 5:19 – “the whole world lies under the control of the evil one”.


    And so this is where one begins to see modified versions of the “all-seeing eye (also referred to as the “Eye of Ra” or the “Eye of Horus”). Below are some examples.


    Top to bottom: America Online, Time Warner…a bit further down, ICON Entertainment, and LucasArts.




    The Time Warner logo is actually depicting the “Eye of Ra” occult symbol fairly straightforwardly, by virtue of that line that comes swooping down beneath the ‘eye’ (compare it to the Eye of Ra presentation to the the right).


    ICON Entertainment and LucasArts (both shown below) on the other hand, are examples of the eye/triangle combo version of the “all-seeing eye” symbol.





    And going back to the question of whether Robertson's pose is "exact"...these two logos above give you a good idea of the subtle (and one could even say ‘sneaky’) modifications that are often incorporated in an apparent attempt to disguise the symbol. By that I mean…notice with these two logos (ICON and LucasArts) how, in both instances, the “eye” is rather slyly tilting into the corner, to create a rough approximation of a triangle/eye combination.

    Also, notice the visual misdirection of the LucasArts logo, whereby the stick figure ‘man’ with the uplifted arms is all that most people will ever notice.

    You are going to see a wide variety of modifications with these occult symbols. This sort of thing is considered ‘par for the course’ in the occult world. After all, the very word “occult” means “secret” or “hidden”. It is the objective of any true occultist…to disguise and to hide his occult allegiance (a salute to the powers of darkness) from “regular” folks.

    Notice the cover art of this Michael W. Smith album from 1986 and how, once again, there is apparent subtlety and slyness...in that one of the child's eyes has been obscured in the shadows, and the other remaining eye has been positioned into one of the corners of the picture frame:



    Anyway...I don't know who is even looking in on this thread. Apparently not many. I'm hearing crickets over here, LOL. Come on, people. This is important stuff.
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    By the way, compare the LucasArts logo design to the design of a Kay Arthur book cover:



    In both examples, an "all-seeing-eye" presentation is accomplished through the visual misdirection of a kind of 'stick man'. From my experience in putting these depictions in front of people unfamiliar with occult symbolism...they never come close to spotting the 'eye'. They're thrown off by the visual misdirection of the 'stick man'.

    And notice how Arthur's depiction subtly includes both an "eye" AND 'triangles -- the "eyelashes" are individual triangular shapes. Is Arthur personally involved in arranging for this depiction to be placed on her book cover? Well...that's what we're discussing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattTooFor View Post
    In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus has forewarned there will be spectacularly deceptive "false prophets" who will emerge and perpetrate a highly successful and terribly tragic deception...which will cause a great many to fall from the faith.

    Any number of us have come across (what seems to be) evidence of a sizable number of these "undercover agents" who have infiltrated the church world. I have attempted to blog about all of this.

    For openers, I would invite any and all to offer any observations about this 1986 Time magazine cover photo of Pat Robertson (seen below). I emphasize that I would NEVER expect anyone to jump to a conclusion about what is going on with Robertson and this photo.

    BUT...this deserves to be questioned: WHAT is he doing with this bizarre posing of his hand?

    I can tell you right now - with relatively little research, ANYONE can begin to uncover a huge and hidden world of occultism among the powerful and elite. As any Bible student should know, the Devil is undertaking a global conquest which will result in an Antichrist world regime. The Devil doesn't get to just wave a magic wand and install his Antichrist at the pinnacle of world government. The Bible describes "wars and rumors of wars". In the end times, nation will rise up against nation.

    Occultism, by very definition, is all about hiddenness and secretiveness. That's what the word "occult" means - "hidden" or "secret".

    So I ask you - do you think there is anything to be concerned about here?

    False prophets lemme see - umm

    They often use flowery complicated language as they think it makes people take more
    notice of them and it gives them an air of authority.
    Ya know like Olivet discourse

    Its like people who pray in ye old king James - kind of help thee or lord, thine be
    thou thy yourself etc etc because they think it makes their prayers extra special.
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    no offense but it looks like you really overthink things,yes the bible says that many will come using jesus' name as a front for being anti christ but you will know them by thwir fruits,as in works,not some hand posture,whether on purpose or not it shows that you are focused more on a mere posture than what the person in question actually does in their life,that actually matters,sure plenty of people hand posture and have hand postured,john cena,hitler,hippies,americans during pledge of allegiance,shawn michaels and triple h,barney the dinosaur,big bird,elmo,red foxx,but it has no necessary bearing on what they believe,for instance someone holding up their middle finger to press a button(because it's the longest finger)and someone nearby sees the person yet think their flipping them the bird,anything can be misinterpreted,but still one posture doesn't tell you the truth about a person because only God knows people's hearts not us,and anyways obsessing over such things is not good,for it can overlap you actually being for God and working for God,for God nor Jesus said to try to weed these people out as if it is some mystery we must solve,if you actually read the bible alongside the holy spirit then you can "learn" how to know whom is for God and who is not,instead of "trying" to figure it out by yourself,and besides even if you did succeed it is of no"grand" help to God for in the time that you've wasted on trying to weed out these antichrists you could have been doing alot for God instead of a little,such as,going to church,praising,donating offering to God,helping a neighbor or family member,teaching people God's word,if they wish to learn,you know something "Truly" useful to God,I will be praying for you just as I and my church do for so many others whom are so close to being led astray.
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    False prophets? On CC they are often the ones in the conspiracy section ... Making claims that do not turn out to be true
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