Arminianism

[Johnny_B]

I'm looking to understand Arminianism more, I am wondering what type of books do they write that are a must read. For me when I was a believer in search of knowledge, at that time I would say that Calvinist have great writings on grace and mercy, but they take it to far into predestination and election, then I realized how sin had taken over my life and understood what they were writing.

What are the writings of Arminianism that is a focal point that they write on, I am guessing here but it would seem that they should have great writings on Sanctification, Holiness it seems that these would be very important because if you can lose your salvation you would need to focus on Sanctification/Holiness. Any good works that anyone can think of from the Arminian view-point on any subject?

 

[Laish]

First a disclosure I am a Reformed guy so you know that upfront. No desire to deceive you.
There are a set of books ( can't remember the publisher) one called why I am not a Calvinist and the otherwhy I am not a Arminian . Neither book goes in to too much depth . Both do give the basics concerning each sides approach to their Theology. Each books reference different works that you can read .
Also note when looking in to Arminianism a lot of it is more about rejecting Calvin and his theology than what they believe. So my opinion read a character or two to see if it's about their beliefs or their rejection of someone else's beliefs. Their is a difference.
Blesdings
Bill

 

[Johnny_B]

Exactly why I made this, I see no books about the beauty of arminianism or have ever heard anyone say there's a classic book by an arminian.

 

[Ariel82]

I was told Wesley had arminian tendencies and he definitely is a proponent of "free will"

Here is an online resource I am currently reading through.

The Wesley Center Online: The Sermons of John Wesley - Chronologically Ordered

Audio

https://archive.org/details/44SermonsOfJohnWesley-Audio

 

[Ariel82]

Free will baptist statement of faith..

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ALL5SiXSk0jgEWEPA&sig2=C5SVsllm46ZvmP4EOuiiSw

 

[Johnny_B]

I was told Wesley had arminian tendencies and he definitely is a proponent of "free will"

Here is an online resource I am currently reading through.

The Wesley Center Online: The Sermons of John Wesley - Chronologically Ordered

Audio

https://archive.org/details/44SermonsOfJohnWesley-Audio

Thank you, Calvin believed in free will as well. Total Depravity is a bit misleading, they do not believe the man is so far depraved that he can do no good at all, it only means that man can do nothing good enough to please God.

 

[Calmador]

I'm looking to understand Arminianism more, I am wondering what type of books do they write that are a must read. For me when I was a believer in search of knowledge, at that time I would say that Calvinist have great writings on grace and mercy, but they take it to far into predestination and election, then I realized how sin had taken over my life and understood what they were writing.

What are the writings of Arminianism that is a focal point that they write on, I am guessing here but it would seem that they should have great writings on Sanctification, Holiness it seems that these would be very important because if you can lose your salvation you would need to focus on Sanctification/Holiness. Any good works that anyone can think of from the Arminian view-point on any subject?

I don't know any books, but I've seen some of Jerry Walls videos and Roger E. Olson who wrote theology books. I'd point more so to Roger because he's a theologian. However, Jerry Walls is a philosopher with great insight about what's wrong with Calvinism philosophically.

Roger explaining what he thinks is wrong with Calvinism --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0RWF_XByMM
Roger in a debate with a Calvinist --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D2SWKbZSIU

 

[Enow]

Thank you, Calvin believed in free will as well.

Calvin also believed in killing a heretic in doing God's service so in that respect, no disciple of Jesus Christ should be carrying the label of a Calvinist.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.[SUP]2 [/SUP]They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Excommunication or withdrawal from company with an unrepentant wayward brother is the only action scripture taught of us to do as they are still seen by Paul as brothers.

2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;............[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Just because Calvin was right about some issues, it does not mean he was right in every issue. We are to prove all things by Him since Jesus Christ is our Good Shepherd and no one else on earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


So when you are reading the books on Arminianism, do rely on your Good Sheppherd to prove or reprove everything Arminianism.

1 John 2:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.....[SUP]26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

 

[garee]

I'm looking to understand Arminianism more, I am wondering what type of books do they write that are a must read. For me when I was a believer in search of knowledge, at that time I would say that Calvinist have great writings on grace and mercy, but they take it to far into predestination and election, then I realized how sin had taken over my life and understood what they were writing.

What are the writings of Arminianism that is a focal point that they write on, I am guessing here but it would seem that they should have great writings on Sanctification, Holiness it seems that these would be very important because if you can lose your salvation you would need to focus on Sanctification/Holiness. Any good works that anyone can think of from the Arminian view-point on any subject?

I would think it has to do on how we perceive we hear God through His faith that works in us to both will and do His good purpose. and not men. Insisting we do need men to teach us is the ideology of the antichrists (1 John 2:27-28)

I would sugesst it has much to do with the parables that take the things seen temporal to give us the spiritual understanding of that not seen the eternal .

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Especially in respect of the last book of the Bible by a language that is clearly signified again using the the things seen to signify that not seen. The word thousand and how it is used to give us a spiritual understanding is where many have their differences .

But even in the amil camp there are differences. Most of the reformers I believe were of the Amil camp but so were the the Catholics.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm looking to understand Arminianism more...

You can start here and then do some further research.
The Five Articles of the Remonstrants (1610)

 

[Sagart]

I'm looking to understand Arminianism more, I am wondering what type of books do they write that are a must read. For me when I was a believer in search of knowledge, at that time I would say that Calvinist have great writings on grace and mercy, but they take it to far into predestination and election, then I realized how sin had taken over my life and understood what they were writing.

What are the writings of Arminianism that is a focal point that they write on, I am guessing here but it would seem that they should have great writings on Sanctification, Holiness it seems that these would be very important because if you can lose your salvation you would need to focus on Sanctification/Holiness. Any good works that anyone can think of from the Arminian view-point on any subject?

A vast multitude of books have been published my Arminian Christians. A few of them that deal with Arminian theology in general include the following:

• The Works of James Arminius, The London Edition, a three-volume work translated by James Nichols and Willaim Nichols
• Christian Theology by H. Orton Wiley, a three-volume systematic theology
• A Contemporary Wesleyan Theology, a two-volume systematic theology
• God, Man, and Salvation by W.T. Purkiser, Richard s. Taylor, and Willard H. Taylor, a one-volume biblical theology
• New Beacon Bible Commentary, 46 volumes
• Called Unto Holiness by W.T. Purkiser, a two-volume work on holiness

W.T. Purkiser was a very popular and prolific biblical scholar and writer, and many of his books are readily available today, both new and used.

 

[Snoozy]

You can start here and then do some further research.
The Five Articles of the Remonstrants (1610)

nehemiah are u arminian?

 

[Nehemiah6]

nehemiah are u arminian?

No I am NOT an Arminian since I do not agree with them on many points. Neither am I a Calvinist. And one can avoid both of these theologies by sticking with what Scripture actually reveals -- not what is imagined by theologians.

Article I of the Arminian Remonstrants --

(a) teaches that they also believe in election and predestination for salvation, but applicable only to those who believe. However Scripture does not teach election for salvation but for glorification (Rom 8:29,30).

(b) teaches that salvation is only for those who persevere until the end. However Scripture says that all those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved by grace through faith, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 16:31)

(c) teaches (just like Calvinism) that God simply leaves the incorrigible and unbelieving under wrath. However, Scripture says that God wants all men to be saved, and the Holy Spirit invites all men to be saved (Rev 22:17)

 

[preacher4truth]

No I am NOT an Arminian since I do not agree with them on many points.

You're semi-pelagian and hold to much arminian teachings among other errors up to an including kjvo heresy.

Neither am I a Calvinist. And one can avoid both of these theologies by sticking with what Scripture actually reveals

Which would end up being Calvinism logically anyhow.

-- not what is imagined by theologians

Yet we should believe what is imagined by your "theology" while you take a swing at others for having theology.

 

[Bladerunner]

First a disclosure I am a Reformed guy so you know that upfront. No desire to deceive you.
There are a set of books ( can't remember the publisher) one called why I am not a Calvinist and the otherwhy I am not a Arminian . Neither book goes in to too much depth . Both do give the basics concerning each sides approach to their Theology. Each books reference different works that you can read .
Also note when looking in to Arminianism a lot of it is more about rejecting Calvin and his theology than what they believe. So my opinion read a character or two to see if it's about their beliefs or their rejection of someone else's beliefs. Their is a difference.
Blesdings
Bill

Laish, It is a pretty simple difference, mainly because of the first point of Calvinism (Total Depravity). This speaks to the "Elect" of God. God Knows all long before He creates the Universe and Earth including every man before he is born. He thus, know every action, every thought, every word each and every person speaks. There is more of course but this gives one an idea of the Power of GOD.

Since, the Bible (God's WORD) tells us, He knows us before we are born, then HE knows if Laish is going to TRULY (completely without doubt) believe in Him (Jesus Christ). He knows those who like to take His WORD (a very important attribute to HIM) and add to it, confuse it, delete from it or just simply ignore it, etc.......

The Bible also tells us that Jesus does not lose ANYONE which were given to him by his father. God first has to condition ones heart to receive him. The result is that the Person GOD has elected or Changed his heart will Love Him totally and completely. These are the people that God gives HIS Son. These people are the Church.

The Calvinist believes that "Total Depravity" is needed in order for man to accept this changes from GOD

***********

The Arminians believe that the Calvinist theory shows no FREE WILL and that Man has the ability to either accept God's changes or NOT by the virtue of their own free will. Man vs GOD

It is that simple and SO SAD!

What do you think?

There are other differences but this above is the main one.

 

[Johnny_B]

I don't know any books, but I've seen some of Jerry Walls videos and Roger E. Olson who wrote theology books. I'd point more so to Roger because he's a theologian. However, Jerry Walls is a philosopher with great insight about what's wrong with Calvinism philosophically.

Roger explaining what he thinks is wrong with Calvinism --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0RWF_XByMM
Roger in a debate with a Calvinist --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D2SWKbZSIU

There in lies the problem I have with Arminians, they only write about what is wrong with Calvinism. I'm looking for writings that show what is right with Arminianism. I can read books on Calvinism that say nothing about Arminianism, that is what I am looking for from Arminians.

 

[Johnny_B]

A vast multitude of books have been published my Arminian Christians. A few of them that deal with Arminian theology in general include the following:

• The Works of James Arminius, The London Edition, a three-volume work translated by James Nichols and Willaim Nichols
• Christian Theology by H. Orton Wiley, a three-volume systematic theology
• A Contemporary Wesleyan Theology, a two-volume systematic theology
• God, Man, and Salvation by W.T. Purkiser, Richard s. Taylor, and Willard H. Taylor, a one-volume biblical theology
• New Beacon Bible Commentary, 46 volumes
• Called Unto Holiness by W.T. Purkiser, a two-volume work on holiness

W.T. Purkiser was a very popular and prolific biblical scholar and writer, and many of his books are readily available today, both new and used.

Thank you, the book "Called Unto Holiness" is something that I thought would be written by many Arminians. I think they should write the best books on holiness, since it is so important to remain saved in thier theology. Like books on grace, mercy and the security of salvation are written by Calvinists.

What about John Miley's Systematic Theology?

I looked up, Called Unto Holiness and volume one is written by Timothy Smith and the one written by Purkier has a sub-title says it is about the history of ther Nazerene Churches history from 1933-58, how is that a book on theology?

 

[Laish]

Laish, It is a pretty simple difference, mainly because of the first point of Calvinism (Total Depravity). This speaks to the "Elect" of God. God Knows all long before He creates the Universe and Earth including every man before he is born. He thus, know every action, every thought, every word each and every person speaks. There is more of course but this gives one an idea of the Power of GOD.

Since, the Bible (God's WORD) tells us, He knows us before we are born, then HE knows if Laish is going to TRULY (completely without doubt) believe in Him (Jesus Christ). He knows those who like to take His WORD (a very important attribute to HIM) and add to it, confuse it, delete from it or just simply ignore it, etc.......

The Bible also tells us that Jesus does not lose ANYONE which were given to him by his father. God first has to condition ones heart to receive him. The result is that the Person GOD has elected or Changed his heart will Love Him totally and completely. These are the people that God gives HIS Son. These people are the Church.

The Calvinist believes that "Total Depravity" is needed in order for man to accept this changes from GOD

***********

The Arminians believe that the Calvinist theory shows no FREE WILL and that Man has the ability to either accept God's changes or NOT by the virtue of their own free will. Man vs GOD

It is that simple and SO SAD!

What do you think?

There are other differences but this above is the main one.

Hello Bladerunner I do think that a lot of the heated arguments should be avoided in favor of polite discussion.
I will get back with you on some of the implications that arise from a synergistic ( Arminianism ) view of salvation.
One thing that did pop out from your post is

The Calvinist believes that "Total Depravity" is needed in order for man to accept this changes from GOD

The Reformed view is almost exactly backwards of this . It is that God needs to save us because of our total inability (Totally deprived ) Note on a few terms I don’t use words like Calvinism or Arminianism. Reason being is I don’t believe a man’s name should be attached to a theological stance. Also Totall depravity is a bit inaccurate. It’s not that everything about man is depraved it means ( a Reformed view ) in short that man is so spirituality incapable of accepting salvation without God’s assistance. Another thing to keep in mind TULIP is a acronym that came about in the early twentieth century. Being a acronym it’s wording is biased by its creator to come up with a clever word .
I will follow up with more Blade . I am pressed for time and it’s Sunday night got to get kids ready for bed and school tomorrow.
Blessings
Bill

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yet we should believe what is imagined by your "theology" while you take a swing at others for having theology.

I don't present my "theology" but Bible truth. You can hurl whatever epithets you wish, but you cannot refute Bible truth, and Gospel truth. I have said it before and I will say it again -- Five Point Calvinism is a gross distortion of the Gospel and Bible truth. And I am not the only one who has recognized the errors therein. Perhaps its time to change your tune and your theology and stick to Bible truth.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hello Bladerunner I do think that a lot of the heated arguments should be avoided in favor of polite discussion.
I will get back with you on some of the implications that arise from a synergistic ( Arminianism ) view of salvation.
One thing that did pop out from your post is
The Reformed view is almost exactly backwards of this . It is that God needs to save us because of our total inability (Totally deprived ) Note on a few terms I don’t use words like Calvinism or Arminianism. Reason being is I don’t believe a man’s name should be attached to a theological stance. Also Totall depravity is a bit inaccurate. It’s not that everything about man is depraved it means ( a Reformed view ) in short that man is so spirituality incapable of accepting salvation without God’s assistance. Another thing to keep in mind TULIP is a acronym that came about in the early twentieth century. Being a acronym it’s wording is biased by its creator to come up with a clever word .
I will follow up with more Blade . I am pressed for time and it’s Sunday night got to get kids ready for bed and school tomorrow.
Blessings
Bill

Laish... what I said was "The Calvinist believes that "Total Depravity" is needed in order for man to accept this changes from GOD" As you state, total deprivity man has no capability knowing God unless God comes to him first.

anytime my friend, have a blessed week ahead of you.
Blade