Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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this is not to create an argument, nor to belittle your personal belief its a long post mostly all scripture please consider the message of the Only begotten Son of God, it is life eternal...May God bless you in the name of His oNly begotten Son.

2 corinthians 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established".


The witness of God the Father


1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."


Jesus baptism.


matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Jesus transfigured


mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. ( Notice 3 witnesses of this on earth, peter James and john. and 3 witnesses in Heaven God, elijah and moses. ) then remember this


peters confirmation of Gods voice speaking this.
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount


the witness of the Son of God


mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"


John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"


John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."




the witness of the holy spirit, according to paul


romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"


the witness of the spirit according to John


1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." see the witness in us (1 john 5:9-12)


the witness of the apostles


Peters witness and Jesus it is blessed and comes from God.


matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven


the entire purpose of Johns Gospel


john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."


Pauls witness to who He preached as Jesus


2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


the witnes of Hebrews


Hebrews 1:2-4 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."


1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"


the witness 2 more disciples


martha


john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.


The ethiopien at His baptism


acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."


the Son of God is worshipped.
matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.




is there any question who Jesus is? there shouldnt be we can find scattered scripture and make the argument " Jesus is God" or " christ is God" its strange that all these biblical witnesses stick with very plain and straight forward words" Jesus is the Christ and Son of the Living God" and that the phrases " Jesus is God" or the Christ is God" do not appear anywhere in the Bible. and further that there is no verse saying " Unless someone believes the Jesus is God, they are wrong"


try not to make this a belief and rewuirement for anyone even if your own belief is that Jesus is God, because that Belief is not what is written for Christians to believe and confess. and in a way, its borderline denying that God has a Son. yet " the confession Jesus is the Son of God is approved and required belief that offers eternal Life. think it over. God has a Son His name Is Jesus. <<< tell people about Gods Only begotten, thats who God is telling us about.


The Life offered from the One true God, who is the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is found built upon accepting that God has an only begotten Son, that He sent into the World, to save us. there is no argument to this fact. sure "doubting thomas" says when He touches Jesus " My Lord and My God" and sure, the prohet says " He will be CALLED the mighty God, and eternal Father. thats just true some do call Him God, and the name of the Father still today passes to thier son.


the only truth of who is Jesus....is very plain and consistant for salvation and all the blessing of God, to believe in the name of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son.
 
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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so according to His deity He has no beginning,for God said,there was no God formed before Me,and there shall be no God formed after Me,and according to His humanity he has a beginning,for He was made of a woman,made under the law,and made according to the flesh.

The ruler to come will be from everlasting,having no beginning.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is an invisible God that showed a visible manifestation of Himself,God's visible relationship to the saints,and how He provided salvation,and the saints will never be able to see Jesus as Him being God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son because He is the only human to be conceived by the Spirit,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.
 

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No, there is no question about who Jesus Christ is:
He is God eternal, second person of the Trinity.

If by begotten you are trying to imply that he was created or anything less than God (divine and eternal) then it is a misinterpretation of the meaning of the verse in which you have read it.
The Greek word is this: μονογενής, (monogeneis) and it, unequivocally, means one-of-a-kind or unique. There is absolutely NO implication of either creation, or birth, or diminutive status.

Once one realises that begotten (where μονογενής is actually used) just means "unique" then all confusion that seems to imply Jesus' status as a created being, or somehow less that God, evaporate from verses where this phrase is used.
 

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Titus 2:9-14 Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

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For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

What do you think the term, "son of" means in the Hebrew culture. I Kings 20:35
"And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said to his fellow at the command of the Lord, “Strike me, please.” But the man refused to strike him."

What does this mean, "a man of the sons of the prophets" is this man a son of one of the prophets or is he a prophet? Verse 36 "
Then he said to him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, behold, as soon as you have gone from me, a lion shall strike you down.” And as soon as he had departed from him, a lion met him and struck him down."
 

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Why is it generally true that the longer the OP, the more the error?

If one has not concluded that Christ is God, is very YHWH of the OT come in the flesh it is due to the fact that He has not been revealed to said individual. Note Matthew 11:25-30.

Do these also believe the Holy Spirit to be a created being as well, after all He is not the Father either?

No, they pick on Christ instead, the One who came and died for our (His elect) sins as Savior and Lord which proves they do not know who He is because they have a different savior and lord; a created being.
 

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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so according to His deity He has no beginning,for God said,there was no God formed before Me,and there shall be no God formed after Me,and according to His humanity he has a beginning,for He was made of a woman,made under the law,and made according to the flesh.
Contradiction:

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 

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Does anyone else here find it ironic that a moniker follow"jesus" believes this Christ ("jesus") to be created? That this would also imply idolatry because all idols and false gods are created?

So we're to follow a creation, a creature (follow"jesus")? Let that sink in for a second. This doesn't seem to mince well with "...and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen." Romans 1:25, which certainly if you think about it makes a necessary and dogmatic distinction between Christ and creation.
 

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Why is it generally true that the longer the OP, the more the error?
Why is it generally true that most every post on here
has some error in it to some degree
including you?
 

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Titus 2:9-14 Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

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For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Who appeared to us, Jesus and we are waiting for Him to appear again "our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, He is the God that has appeared to the world, no other.

What do you think the term, "son of" means in the Hebrew culture. I Kings 20:35
"And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said to his fellow at the command of the Lord, “Strike me, please.” But the man refused to strike him."

What does this mean, "a man of the sons of the prophets" is this man a son of one of the prophets or is he a prophet? Verse 36 "Then he said to him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord
, behold, as soon as you have gone from me, a lion shall strike you down.” And as soon as he had departed from him, a lion met him and struck him down." No he is a prophet he prophecies in verse 36, in the Hebrew culture if you were classified as a "son of" it meant that you were what ever it referred to. Jesus Son of God, He is God, why do you think the Jews wanted to stone Him for blasphemy when He said the God was His Father? Because He was saying that He is God.

John 5:17-19 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Fatherdoes, that the Son does likewise.

John 8:56-59
Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

That is not a grammatical error, Jesus is saying "I am" as in Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’” That is why they pick up stones in verse 59, to throw at Him to kill Him for blasphemy as they wanted to do in John 5:18

You can post whatever you want it does not change the fact that Jesus is God, Lord and Christ
 

preacher4truth

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Why is it generally true that most every post on here
has some error in it to some degree
including you?
OK, the burden of proof is on you in your unfounded and unqualified accusation. Note that in my refutations I qualified them with Scriptural arguments and evidence.

You? Not so much.

Just an unfounded accusation.

Get to corroborating this with some facts. I'll be waiting to readily dismantle your fallacies when you do.
 

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Let me get this straight followjesus when you said, "try not to make this a belief and rewuirement for anyone even if your own belief is that Jesus is God, because that Belief is not what is written for Christians to believe and confess. and in a way, its borderline denying that God has a Son. yet " the confession Jesus is the Son of God is approved and required belief that offers eternal Life. think it over. God has a Son His name Is Jesus. <<< tell people about Gods Only begotten, thats who God is telling us about."

You cannot deny the deity of Jesus Christ and be a Christian so why are you telling us to "try and not tell somebody that Jesus Christ is not God?" And yes, it is written in the Bible very clearly that Jesus Christ is God. You even quoted Thomas at John 20:28 and you also quoted Isaiah 9:6 but yet you act as if has nothing to do with anything, why? It has everything to do with everything.

What your basically doing is withholding Biblical evidence from others by saying what you said in your last paragraph, " the only truth of who is Jesus....is very plain and consistant for salvation and all the blessing of God, to believe in the name of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son." Who is teaching you this stuff? In fact, one of the very first things you should tell people is the fact that Jesus Christ is God. Why would you want to withold (in your mind) this meaningful piece of information? Unbelievable! :eek: PS: And just to cover my "butt" am I missing something here? I mean do you personally believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh?

IN GOD THE SON,
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OK, the burden of proof is on you in your unfounded and unqualified accusation. Note that in my refutations I qualified them with Scriptural arguments and evidence.

You? Not so much.

Just an unfounded accusation.

Get to corroborating this with some facts. I'll be waiting to readily dismantle your fallacies when you do.
My proof is that you cannot prove what I said is incorrect. But seriously, on the serious side...
I put all my trust in God. I trust that He can see any errors that you might make in any of your posts.

I know He can see better than me.
 

preacher4truth

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My proof is that you cannot prove what I said is incorrect. .
Proof? You've offered nothing of the sort.

You're being absurd, you've offered exactly no evidence or argument, but merely an unsubstantiated and unnamed accusation.

Yeah, it would be really hard to prove an unnamed accusation to be false. ;)

You're tripping out.

Come with your named argument or you'll be ignored. Get your last word and and name it, or we're done. I don't have time for your games.
 
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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so according to His deity He has no beginning,for God said,there was no God formed before Me,and there shall be no God formed after Me,and according to His humanity he has a beginning,for He was made of a woman,made under the law,and made according to the flesh.

The ruler to come will be from everlasting,having no beginning.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is an invisible God that showed a visible manifestation of Himself,God's visible relationship to the saints,and how He provided salvation,and the saints will never be able to see Jesus as Him being God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son because He is the only human to be conceived by the Spirit,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

lol so we just cast aside the witness of God, Jesus, all the apostles. Jesus is the Son of the Living God thats Gods witness try reading the post and consider How mant times the bible says " Jesus is God" and How many times it says " Jesus is the Christ, the son of the Living God" and consider alllllllllll those witnesses especially this one

1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."


its strange that people get offended at the witness that Jesus is the christ, the son of God......but Hey to each thier own. God is pretty Clear where the Life is.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


it seems like some read this

" God so loved the world that he came into the world to save us"

myself i kind of like to stick with whats there so clearly it isnt wrong to say he is God, God Gave him that title

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


i would certainly learn to confess the name of Gods only begotten Son, seems the bible folk were pretty convinced, that eternal Life was based on believing in the only begotten Son of God. im not sure why God would trick us into thinking He was His own Son, and then made Himself both Lord and Christ. or why He would insist at Jesus baptism and transfiguration that Jesus was His Son, or why well....all the testimonies of those who prolly knew more than any of us, held to teaching about Gods Son.


is Jesus divine ? yep is Jesus the Father? no. Is Jesus one with God, because Gods spirit lives in Him? yep. are we One with God because Gods spirit Lives in Jesus disciples? yep thats the glory of the promise.......are we God because of that? naw. God the Father, Jesus The Only begotten, and believers through the Holy Ghost living in us.


john 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

john 14: 20-24 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.


it seems as if Jesus was pretty clear
 

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Proof? You've offered nothing of the sort.

You're being absurd, you've offered exactly no evidence or argument, but merely an unsubstantiated and unnamed accusation.

Yeah, it would be really hard to prove an unnamed accusation to be false. ;)

You're tripping out.

Come with your named argument or you'll be ignored. Get your last word and and name it, or we're done. I don't have time for your games.
Let me know how that works out for you.
 
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Contradiction:

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
You forget where in the same scripture it states He is the Almighty,not the Somemighty,but the Almighty.

Are you saying Jesus is a created God,for only the humanity of Jesus was made of a woman,but Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so according to His deity has no beginning.

The Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

God said,there was no God formed before Him,and there shall be no God formed after Him,and there is no such thing as a created god,for God means supreme being,and a created god would not be a supreme being.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

When the Son comes He will be from everlasting,no beginning.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The Son's deity will be God.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is more than a visible God,but He is an invisible Spirit that no person will ever see.

There was no God formed before God,and there shall be no God formed after Him,and the Son is called the mighty God,called the Almighty in Revelation,God manifest in the flesh,will be from everlasting,no beginning.

Jesus is God,and He cannot be a created God,for there was no God formed after God.
 
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You don't believe Jesus is God?
 

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The problem with these debates is that people tend to shotgun each other with dozens of scriptures at once. This makes dialogue and responses to various arguments near impossible to deal with. What ever happened to the simple back and forth Q&A?
 
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No, there is no question about who Jesus Christ is:
He is God eternal, second person of the Trinity.

If by begotten you are trying to imply that he was created or anything less than God (divine and eternal) then it is a misinterpretation of the meaning of the verse in which you have read it.
The Greek word is this: μονογενής, (monogeneis) and it, unequivocally, means one-of-a-kind or unique. There is absolutely NO implication of either creation, or birth, or diminutive status.

Once one realises that begotten (where μονογενής is actually used) just means "unique" then all confusion that seems to imply Jesus' status as a created being, or somehow less that God, evaporate from verses where this phrase is used.
I could not get past the 1st verse knowing the context the verse is found within......We cannot take our beliefs and HANG verses on them to make points..........