Earth is Flat and Stationary

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Is he immune from being a liar because he has "stein" in his name?
I judge what jews tell me about science and philosophy the same as a muslim, atheist, or any unbeliever.

Christians seem to think the pharisees of Christ's day, are not the same as the jewish leaders and figures of today. They want to minimize the Messiah and get us living as backwards as possible to serve them instead of God.
 

trofimus

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Is he immune from being a liar because he has "stein" in his name?
I do not understand it. Are you fascinated by Germany?

But you should know who this specific person was.
 

Dino246

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You don't understand, the equinox they are referring to is the spring and fall equinox, a calendar event, not a location.
I do understand. That I am referring to a time point is evident in what I wrote. The sun is at the same latitude at the equinox, spring and fall... the equator. Even your map shows "Equator" in bright yellow.

You selected a different flat earth map after I presented the pictures of the Sydney Opera House, but you dodged the fact that Sydney is south of the Tropic of Capricorn, which is roughly consistent with your light-green line on the latest map. That Tropic is just south of 23 degrees, while Sydney is at about 33 degrees. You have ten degrees of "impossible" to account for the sun appearing to the southeast of the Opera House. Changing your map doesn't cut it. :)
 
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I do understand. That I am referring to a time point is evident in what I wrote. The sun is at the same latitude at the equinox, spring and fall... the equator. Even your map shows "Equator" in bright yellow.

You selected a different flat earth map after I presented the pictures of the Sydney Opera House, but you dodged the fact that Sydney is south of the Tropic of Capricorn, which is roughly consistent with your light-green line on the latest map. That Tropic is just south of 23 degrees, while Sydney is at about 33 degrees. You have ten degrees of "impossible" to account for the sun appearing to the southeast of the Opera House. Changing your map doesn't cut it. :)
The sunrise and sunset would be perceived as faster at equinox because the equator is traveling faster than the higher latitudes. The rotational velocity is constant, but the actual velocity is different depending on the latitude. In the flat earth hypothesis, the fastest sunrise/sunset would be in southern summer, when the transit of the sun requires the greatest distance. Once again, flat earth fails.
You were referring to a location, the equator

I'm still waiting on a time of day and date for the pictures you posted. You don't know.

The flat earth theory and model can account for all the change in sunrise and sunsets in the world throughout the year.
 
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I do understand. That I am referring to a time point is evident in what I wrote. The sun is at the same latitude at the equinox, spring and fall... the equator. Even your map shows "Equator" in bright yellow.

You selected a different flat earth map after I presented the pictures of the Sydney Opera House, but you dodged the fact that Sydney is south of the Tropic of Capricorn, which is roughly consistent with your light-green line on the latest map. That Tropic is just south of 23 degrees, while Sydney is at about 33 degrees. You have ten degrees of "impossible" to account for the sun appearing to the southeast of the Opera House. Changing your map doesn't cut it. :)
Globe has a varying tilt and orbit, flat earth has a sun with a varying path.

Just like you think the sun and moon appear to be same size because the sun is 400x larger and 400x the distance from earth as the moon, flat earth has a sun and moon the same size.

They both have ways of explaining everything observable that occurs, one of them is a lie.

Look into outer space videos and images and curvature being fake, and those promoting the globe being occultists, that's how you know which one the lie is.
 

Dino246

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You were referring to a location, the equator ...
Here's what I wrote: "The sunrise and sunset would be perceived as faster at equinox because the equator is traveling faster than the higher latitudes. ..."

I used both "equinox" and "equator" in the same sentence. The temporal reference is "equinox", the spatial reference is "equator". Please don't accuse me of not understanding what I wrote.

If the flat earth hypothesis can account for the sun being visible toward the southeast of a location south of which the sun never appears at nadir, you have yet to provide such an explanation. You keep dodging by asking for the date and time, without addressing the fact that your model doesn't allow the sun to be in that location at any date or time.
 

Dino246

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Globe has a varying tilt and orbit, flat earth has a sun with a varying path.
... which according to your map is always North (more toward the centre of your flat earth) of Sydney, Australia. You provided the map, I used it as a reference. I'd encourage you to consider the angle of the photograph. It is take from a point between 40 and 50 degrees north of west from the Opera House. That means that the sun is between 30 and 40 degrees south of east, and rose even further south of east. You have claimed that your model can account for this, but you have not actually provided the accounting for it.
 

Dino246

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On a spinning ball, the rotational speed (angle of rotation per unit of time) is constant for the whole ball. However, in a given unit of time, any point on the "equator" of the surface of the ball is traversing a greater linear distance (circumscribing a larger circle) than any point off the "equator" because it is farther from the axis of rotation. Hence, the equator is travelling faster.
 
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On a spinning ball, the rotational speed (angle of rotation per unit of time) is constant for the whole ball. However, in a given unit of time, any point on the "equator" of the surface of the ball is traversing a greater linear distance (circumscribing a larger circle) than any point off the "equator" because it is farther from the axis of rotation. Hence, the equator is travelling faster.
The articles I posted were discussing how the sunset and sunrise were faster in the northern and southern hemisphere, not the equator, during the equinoxes.

"Tonight – at sunset – here’s a natural phenomenon you might never have imagined. That is, the sun actually sets faster around the time of an equinox. The fastest sunsets (and sunrises) occur at or near the equinoxes. And the slowest sunsets (and sunrises) occur at or near the solstices. This is true whether you live in the Northern or Southern Hemisphere."

[h=3]"Why the Sun Rises and Sets Fastest at the Equinox (and Slowest on the Solstice)[/h] The phenomenon occurs in both the Northern and Southern hemisphere because the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees on its axis, but its tilt with respect to the Sun changes. At either the vernal (spring) or autumnal (fall) equinox, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west at the steepest possible angle. Day and night are the same duration."

In response to these articles, you posted this:

The sunrise and sunset would be perceived as faster at equinox because the equator is traveling faster than the higher latitudes. The rotational velocity is constant, but the actual velocity is different depending on the latitude. In the flat earth hypothesis, the fastest sunrise/sunset would be in southern summer, when the transit of the sun requires the greatest distance. Once again, flat earth fails.
Clearly you are confused as to the point i was making or what was written in the articles.
 
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joefizz

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I thought this was bible discussion forum not astronomy class??? did I take a wrong turn somewhere???
 
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pckts

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I thought this was bible discussion forum not astronomy class??? did I take a wrong turn somewhere???
A misguided self-righteous flat earther made a thread here to get the most attention he could, and after being banned the thread remained.

There are multiple flat earth threads in the conspiracy forum, but this one gets the most activity, so if I want to talk flat earth I usually end up here.
 
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joefizz

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A misguided self-righteous flat earther made a thread here to get the most attention he could, and after being banned the thread remained.

There are multiple flat earth threads in the conspiracy forum, but this one gets the most activity, so if I want to talk flat earth I usually end up here.
????????????(mind cannot compute)
 

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I am sorry. Weather satellites and analysis of the surface of the earth are big money.
Street view on google maps. google maps built from space.

Millions of $ are made by this being accurate time specific information.
The whole industry relies on this and pictures from space can be compared to events
on the ground, one to one.

So you saying it is fake is just standing up like a child and having a temper tantrum that
the world is not like you want it or think it is.

Please grow up, and face reality before reality comes and faces you. God bless.
do you know anything about weather balloons? Do you know anything about the Van Allen Belt? oh well it is of now use to keep trying..... As I stated before, it would not change anything. I am satisfied that when God tells us he created the earth immovable then I believe he made it immovable.
 
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DarkRose

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I'm learning so much on this site.
Like, that a flat earth is still being debated. After all these years...

:confused:
 
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For a flat earther, the deception and mockery is right in your face and you can't avoid it. The logos, cheap tricks, poorly told lies, it's so obvious you question how you were ever deceived to begin with. It's from being born into a world as a child and placing trust and confidence in the adults/authority over you. We believe in Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, the American dream,True Love(we still should, but many never find it, as children we all do though), legal justice, and a righteous government as a child.

What do globe believers tell themselves about the photos I posted? The NASA logo is a coincidence it looks like a snake tongue? The word NASA meaning deception in hebrew is a coincidence? All the people that died in the challenger have lookalikes by coincidence?
MICHAEL J. SMITH____________ Michael J. Smith (UW University)


You can go right to Michael's professor page at the University of Wisconsin:
https://directory.engr.wisc.edu/ie/Faculty/Smith_Michael/


Why do you subscribe to a model backed by entities that mock and deceive you? Because you do not believe you are being mocked and deceived, and you think the entire world verifies their claims.

The world can't verify NASA's claims, they make claims adventuring into outer space and using high powered telescopes that are also in places we can't get to. So we do have to take much of what they say on faith, because only they have the resources to gather the data and make such claims.

The globe earth is a model that warps the creation with half-truths and lies like light years, black holes, curvature, dark matter, and universal expansion, so that you filter your senses and thoughts through these lies and see the world through the globe lens.

My faith in the flat earth is stronger than your globe beliefs, because I once believe what you did and already know what you know, when I hear you describe or make accusations about flat earth theory it's clear you do not understand the theory. It's rejected without consideration or understanding. For example, an individual of our community recently dismissed the theory because "light years" would be impossible on it.

On top of this, you are yet to be aware of the tools and deceptions in place to keep you locked into your false beliefs. If you took me up in a spaceship and showed me the globe earth, I would still reject the moon landing and ISS because I know NASA are liars and the evidence for the existence of those things are all fake. You may claim that you believe in the globe earth because of flight times, rotation, and shadows cast on Australian theaters, but your foundations are also built on NASA being honest and outer space travel being a verifiable fact.

Another problem is, we have running water, air conditioning, and smart phones I can use to play Mortal Kombat against my friend in Vietnam. They didn't have these things when the globe was discovered, so it looks as though man realized the universe at the same time he realized the technology that built the "civilized" world with. I understand your confusion, but consider the possibility that man used the tools of the civilized world to deceive you. Literacy, mathematics, and a controlled education system to deceive you into the globe, and 2001: Space Odyssey special effects to trick you into believing we landed on the moon.



You need to be aware of the deception first, than when you see the reason you believe in the globe is because of false images and videos and the testimony of liars, you can become open to a more than equally plausible model of the world you live in.

This is kind of long and you may scroll through it or skip it entirely, I know that I do when you post long equations and facts about the globe, but give it a look.
 
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For a flat earther, the deception and mockery is right in your face and you can't avoid it. The logos, cheap tricks, poorly told lies, it's so obvious you question how you were ever deceived to begin with. It's from being born into a world as a child and placing trust and confidence in the adults/authority over you. We believe in Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, the American dream,True Love(we still should, but many never find it, as children we all do though), legal justice, and a righteous government as a child.

What do globe believers tell themselves about the photos I posted? The NASA logo is a coincidence it looks like a snake tongue? The word NASA meaning deception in hebrew is a coincidence? All the people that died in the challenger have lookalikes by coincidence?
MICHAEL J. SMITH____________ Michael J. Smith (UW University)


You can go right to Michael's professor page at the University of Wisconsin:
https://directory.engr.wisc.edu/ie/Faculty/Smith_Michael/


Why do you subscribe to a model backed by entities that mock and deceive you? Because you do not believe you are being mocked and deceived, and you think the entire world verifies their claims.

The world can't verify NASA's claims, they make claims adventuring into outer space and using high powered telescopes that are also in places we can't get to. So we do have to take much of what they say on faith, because only they have the resources to gather the data and make such claims.

The globe earth is a model that warps the creation with half-truths and lies like light years, black holes, curvature, dark matter, and universal expansion, so that you filter your senses and thoughts through these lies and see the world through the globe lens.

My faith in the flat earth is stronger than your globe beliefs, because I once believe what you did and already know what you know, when I hear you describe or make accusations about flat earth theory it's clear you do not understand the theory. It's rejected without consideration or understanding. For example, an individual of our community recently dismissed the theory because "light years" would be impossible on it.

On top of this, you are yet to be aware of the tools and deceptions in place to keep you locked into your false beliefs. If you took me up in a spaceship and showed me the globe earth, I would still reject the moon landing and ISS because I know NASA are liars and the evidence for the existence of those things are all fake. You may claim that you believe in the globe earth because of flight times, rotation, and shadows cast on Australian theaters, but your foundations are also built on NASA being honest and outer space travel being a verifiable fact.

Another problem is, we have running water, air conditioning, and smart phones I can use to play Mortal Kombat against my friend in Vietnam. They didn't have these things when the globe was discovered, so it looks as though man realized the universe at the same time he realized the technology that built the "civilized" world with. I understand your confusion, but consider the possibility that man used the tools of the civilized world to deceive you. Literacy, mathematics, and a controlled education system to deceive you into the globe, and 2001: Space Odyssey special effects to trick you into believing we landed on the moon.



You need to be aware of the deception first, than when you see the reason you believe in the globe is because of false images and videos and the testimony of liars, you can become open to a more than equally plausible model of the world you live in.

This is kind of long and you may scroll through it or skip it entirely, I know that I do when you post long equations and facts about the globe, but give it a look.
well now you said"theory" so therefore you admit that your claims are not true and mere speculation,so now we can all move on from this thread,and get back to what"actually" matters,which would be serving God,not disputing a bunch of theories and conspiracies because we can better serve God with faith in God,leading people to him,and not getting caught up in "worldly" matters that don't concern us or God,so let us all go out and serve God with faith and "truth" not "theories"! God bless you all!
 
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well now you said"theory" so therefore you admit that your claims are not true and mere speculation,so now we can all move on from this thread,and get back to what"actually" matters,which would be serving God,not disputing a bunch of theories and conspiracies because we can better serve God with faith in God,leading people to him,and not getting caught up in "worldly" matters that don't concern us or God,so let us all go out and serve God with faith and "truth" not "theories"! God bless you all!
I'm speaking in the language of my target audience, I also didn't put quotation marks around globe, moon landing, and ISS. In this world we share, it is a theory unfortunately.

I see you post a lot in the how to ruin a date in 4 words thread, that isn't serving God either. Leave me to my hobbies and I'll leave you to yours.