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You are bending the Scripture to make it say silly ideas.
If I would care what the "world" thinks, I would not be a protestant Christian in a country, where there are only 1% of protestants, 5% of Catholics and is the most atheistic country in the world. I am in some kind of opposition practically to everybody around me.
Also, you still ignore that you are against the vast majority of Christians too,not just against "world".
If I would care what the "world" thinks, I would not be a protestant Christian in a country, where there are only 1% of protestants, 5% of Catholics and is the most atheistic country in the world. I am in some kind of opposition practically to everybody around me.
Also, you still ignore that you are against the vast majority of Christians too,not just against "world".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Czech_Republic
Now, you tell me, who cares what the world thinks... you, being Christian in the Christian majority or me, being Christian in 1% minority.
Also, you should concentrate on the text of the Bible, not on any personal motives.
Now, you tell me, who cares what the world thinks... you, being Christian in the Christian majority or me, being Christian in 1% minority.
Also, you should concentrate on the text of the Bible, not on any personal motives.
No, you're bending scripture, I'm not. Let's prove it:
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I don't care how many Christians are against me, it's irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I don't care how many Christians are against me, it's irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
No, you're bending scripture, I'm not. Let's prove it:
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I don't care how many Christians are against me, it's irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I don't care how many Christians are against me, it's irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
That you are against 99% of Christians is not irrelevant, because church is the temple and people of God.
You have not brought forth any working flat earth model explaining all the reality we experience.
So... there is actually nothing to talk about. Your ideas do not work, your Bible reading is on the very surface without understanding and your dogmatic position is actually very unchristian.
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I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
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I've been focusing on the text. It literally disproves the big bang theory. The big bang theory is so stupid, the more you believe God, the more shocking it is that people believe it.
None of the pictures of a globe earth are real and there shouldn't be any evidence of a flat earth if you're living on a sphere.
Genesis;
Verse 1: heaven & earth
Verse 3: light, day & night (time)
Verse 10: dry land
Verse 11: seeds, herbs, trees
Verse 16: God made the Sun, Moon & Stars
Verse 17: God PLACED them in the firmament.
Yes, your favourite word "placed", as if you believe God pulled it out of His pocket after forming it on day 1. Nope, that happened in verse 17.
Like I've been saying to you:
Heaven, earth, light & time were created before the Sun was. Deal with it.
Essentially you believe that things which scientists mock are either poetry, metaphors or mistakes made by bible translators.
Even if God - in verse 1 - in some kind of "big bang" fashion - 'created' the physical atoms-and-molecules "matter" - that was "without form, and void" -- it was not until later that He formed any of it into the different things that are described - in the order that He made them - in the rest of the verses of Genesis 1. In other words, even if you want to assume that verse 1 describes a "fully complete world created" -- the rest of the verses of Genesis 1 are a description of how that was accomplished - in the order that God accomplished it.
It does not matter whether the rest of Genesis 1 is contained within verse 1 -- it is a description of the "particular order and arrangement" by which God made everything - according to the days in which it was made by Him - according to the order in which it was made by Him.
The Word of God tells us in what order God made everything. Whether the "stuff" it was 'made' from was all 'created' at the same point in time beforehand is completely beside the point...
Also -- 'Flat Earth' has nothing to do with it. Even if you consider Genesis 1 from a 'Ball Earth' model, it still indicates that there was an order in which God made everything.
You're wasting your time, I'm afraid.
6 days in the bible could mean 6 billion years to these people, even though it's literally days and the sabbath is a whole day.
It doesn't matter that it tells us which day contained which work, they don't believe us. We have to speak Hebrew, apparently. Because you know, the bible is full of contradictions, holes, mistakes, and mistranslations, etc--bad news I'm afraid, Christianity is a joke, let's all convert to atheism.
Sorry guys, we got Christianity wrong. Those of us who only speak 1 language are mistaken, but don't worry, some guy who speaks more than 1 language can show you the real meaning of scripture.
6 days in the bible could mean 6 billion years to these people, even though it's literally days and the sabbath is a whole day.
It doesn't matter that it tells us which day contained which work, they don't believe us. We have to speak Hebrew, apparently. Because you know, the bible is full of contradictions, holes, mistakes, and mistranslations, etc--bad news I'm afraid, Christianity is a joke, let's all convert to atheism.
Sorry guys, we got Christianity wrong. Those of us who only speak 1 language are mistaken, but don't worry, some guy who speaks more than 1 language can show you the real meaning of scripture.
Zen - it is fine stopping talking to people. People will believe what they believe, but to
be taken seriously they need more than just an idea which has no foundation.
Once the idea is put in this category, you become a myth believer not interested in truth.
Now those interested in truth and openness will spend time putting points to you, but not
forever, because it becomes pointless.
We will though continually put up the alternative interpretations, because there are always
new people who need to be shown why these ideas fail, and that the world is not out to deceive
them but rather the opposite, we have progressed because of the truth and the love Christ has
for us.
be taken seriously they need more than just an idea which has no foundation.
Once the idea is put in this category, you become a myth believer not interested in truth.
Now those interested in truth and openness will spend time putting points to you, but not
forever, because it becomes pointless.
We will though continually put up the alternative interpretations, because there are always
new people who need to be shown why these ideas fail, and that the world is not out to deceive
them but rather the opposite, we have progressed because of the truth and the love Christ has
for us.
Galatians 4:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
If you keep using this logical fallacy, you can say that most people are not Christian, therefore they are correct. 5 billion non-Christians can't be wrong. Most Christians are Catholics, so Catholicism is correct. Most people believe the world is a sphere so it is, etc.
You can also write about "truth" all you want to, but how can you be taken seriously if you reject truth? One of you said 'I don't need the Holy Spirit to tell me the shape of the earth' or something like that. Maybe that's your problem, you trusting liars and claiming to not need God in such matters.
Truth isn't "the most convincing argument" or "the latest theory from the lab".
And if you're going to claim that someone taking creation scripture as literally true or bending it is unChristian, then why aren't you preaching against it? Make a thread called "The KJV bible is wrong, only my Czech bible is correct" and tell everyone how all the people reading the KJV are reading a bunch of mis-translated and uninspired nonsense, and how they need to speak Hebrew to get the actual meaning. A bunch of people will laugh at you and tell you that God's Word is preserved. Those same people hang out here laughing at people who don't believe NASA or the big bang theory. Funny how it works.
Psalm 12:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Preserved forever, but only in Czech and Hebrew?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
If you keep using this logical fallacy, you can say that most people are not Christian, therefore they are correct. 5 billion non-Christians can't be wrong. Most Christians are Catholics, so Catholicism is correct. Most people believe the world is a sphere so it is, etc.
You can also write about "truth" all you want to, but how can you be taken seriously if you reject truth? One of you said 'I don't need the Holy Spirit to tell me the shape of the earth' or something like that. Maybe that's your problem, you trusting liars and claiming to not need God in such matters.
Truth isn't "the most convincing argument" or "the latest theory from the lab".
And if you're going to claim that someone taking creation scripture as literally true or bending it is unChristian, then why aren't you preaching against it? Make a thread called "The KJV bible is wrong, only my Czech bible is correct" and tell everyone how all the people reading the KJV are reading a bunch of mis-translated and uninspired nonsense, and how they need to speak Hebrew to get the actual meaning. A bunch of people will laugh at you and tell you that God's Word is preserved. Those same people hang out here laughing at people who don't believe NASA or the big bang theory. Funny how it works.
Psalm 12:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Preserved forever, but only in Czech and Hebrew?
But God says the earth has foundations and doesn't move.
Scientific garbage:
1 Timothy 6:
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Immovable earth:
Psalm 93:
1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Foundations of the earth:
Job 38:
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Heliocentric garbage:
The big bang created all matter
The gas separated itself in to stars while heavier elements separated itself in to planets
The planets orbit the stars because of gravity and inertia
The Earth moves around the sun
The sun and stars are what cause light
Stars are thousands of times larger than the Earth
Scientific garbage:
1 Timothy 6:
20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Immovable earth:
Psalm 93:
1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Foundations of the earth:
Job 38:
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Heliocentric garbage:
The big bang created all matter
The gas separated itself in to stars while heavier elements separated itself in to planets
The planets orbit the stars because of gravity and inertia
The Earth moves around the sun
The sun and stars are what cause light
Stars are thousands of times larger than the Earth