Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

When a man that has not had a lick of Chinese can stand up and speak fluent Chinese and another man who has not had Chinese can understand it and proclaim in English a message that honors God and is biblical in scope......then I might start buying it....

Not to say I would.......

Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Meggido said:

Was the reverse also true? When he spoke, he heard Spanish and when you heard him speak, you heard English?

If he heard Spanish, how can he tell you that since he does not speak English?

Some contentions with this report which leads me to conclude you are assuming much from that encounter.

Paul testified that when he speaks in tongues, he does not understand it himself which is why he prays for interpretation so that the tongue as manifested by the Holy Spirit would be fruitful even to himself.

Being hard of hearing, I can be embarrassed in not being able to keep up with the person or group of people talking and so I would just no my head in an affirmative fashion which on a few occasion, has gotten me in trouble.

So if that local was just nodding his head when you were speaking, he may just be being polite when he knows that you know full well that he does not understand English, but yet you are speaking to him anyway.

As it is, your report regarding tongue does not line up with scripture.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

So I have to conclude that you are assuming much from that encounter. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are being sincere about the encounter and mayhap overzealous, because otherwise, the report is a flat out lie.

Andycross · Jun 20, 2017

zone said:

If you have no knowledge of things you don't know don't speak against it.
I am not one to judge, the Heavenly Father will be

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Rockrz said:

Actually, not all of scriptures supports the kind of tongues you guys are endorsing. There is God's real gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people that is to be understood by foreigners or the Holy Spirit will give another the gift of interpretation in the assembly.

Taking 1 Corinthians 14:2,&28 out of context of the message in chapter 14 as going against chapters 12 which sets the precedent for those gifts as well as dispelling the notion that gifts are received by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, leaves you guys in the lurch as the ones doing the cherry picking.

The end results of your arguments is to glorify the gift of tongues and how you got them as separating yourselves from other believers whom had not that "supernatural encounter" nor do they care to when they know they have the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ at their salvation as promised.

1 Corinthians 12:13 testifies against that second supernatural encounter apart from salvation in how you got that tongue.

That is why that tongue does not comes with interpretation and you guys are assuming much with this vain & profane babbling.

How can it benefit the individual believer as listed in the OP if you do not know what you are doing? It is unfruitful unless interpreted to the tongue speaker.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

That report has to be an example of being overzealous and assuming much about that encounter as his report does not line up with scripture at all. Paul did not understand what was being spoken and needed an interpretor himself or it would be unfruitful to himself. I give the poster the benefit of the doubt that he was being overzealous and assuming much, otherwise the report is a flat out lie.

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Meggido said:

No. That kind of tongue that is just vain and profane babbling would just be confusing to a child as it is to us, and even a child can know that God is not the author of confusion.

I believe in God's actual gift of tongues that speaks unto the people which has to come with interpretation as the Holy Spirit does not do anything in half measures in the assembly.

Tongues never meant to be a stand alone gift since Paul explained that tongues to himself, it is unfruitful and he prays that some one would interpret that tongue for that to be fruitful to himself by understanding that tongue he is speaking by the Holy Spirit.

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

stonesoffire said:

Paul said that when he speaks in tongues, he does not understand it and thus that tongue is unfruitful to himself. That is why he said that he prays that someone will interpret that tongue.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

So I doubt the report by reason of scripture alone and I am giving the reporter the benefit of the doubt that he was just being overzealous and assuming much over his encounter with the local.

If you think about it, how can the local confirm to him that he heard Spanish if he does not understand English to tell him that? Lacking detail of the encounter, I am assuming that the local was being polite, nodding his head as he was speaking but not really understanding anything he was saying like a hard of hearing person would do to avoid embarassment or to not offend the speaker for not listening.

The report just does not line up with scripture.

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Rockrz said:

It is amazing how a lack of patience and Christ's love is not being seen in that reply.

Again... lacking Christ's love.

If you are referring to 1 Corinthians 14:2 , that is taking those one verse out of context of the whole chapter that Paul was talking about seeking the gift of prophesy over tongues or any other spiritual gift so as to edify the body withal because tongues is not nor was it ever a stand alone gift as that tongue in 1 Corinthians 14:2 has to come with interpretation as explained thru out that entire chapter.

Paul gave the bottomline on tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:20-22 that it is of other men's lips to speak unto the people and it will NEVER serve as a sign to the believers, but to unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

So that means that this tongue which never comes with interpretation GAINED by what believers assumed was the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life bringing that tongue is NOT god's gift of tongues NOR was that the Holy Spirit bringing it when the Holy Spirit had already been in you as promised for coming to & believing in Jesus Christ when you were saved.

You are cherrypicking by using verse 2 at the expense of what Paul said was God's gift of tongues is thru out that chapter.

In context, Paul was explaining why the gift of prophesy was the gift to seek over all spiritual gifts and began to show WHY by comparing the gift of tongues by itself against the gift of prophesy in showing the gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift which is why the gift of prophesy was even better than the gift of tongues.

But this thread opposes Paul's exhortation as if tongue speakers can benefit without the body of Christ as not neeeding any one else to interpret that tongue as if they can understand it and it is fruitful to themselves individually that they need no other member of the body of Christ WHICH is also OPPOSING this truth in 1 Corinthians 12th chapter.

1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many........[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

That is what this OP is saying in explaining the benefits of speaking in tongues as if they can get all that and not need interpretation from another member of the body at all for that tongue to be truly edifying to themselves to be fruitful.

It cannot be fruitful if the tongue speaker does not know what is truly being said and thus not truly edifying themselves.

Verse 2 was Paul's attempt to explain that tongue is not a stand alone gift when taken in context of his message to the whole chapter on why believers that are zealous for spiritual gift, should seek the gift of prophesy, but you guys seem to believe Paul was exalting the gift of tongues over prophesy the way you are going.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

That same tongue spoken of in verse 2 is the same tongue needing interpretation in verse 6.

Pray for discernment because only HE can show you that you are the one deceived on this subject as you have fallen away from the faith when Jesus Christ has been in you when you were first saved, and thus by chasing after the Holy Spirit to receive after a sign of tongues is denying Him as being in you when you were saved. That is why that tongue never comes with interpretation and is just vain and profane babbling because it is not the real God's gift of tongues when gained by apostasy.

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

Enow said:

The below passage refutes you completely. This is what manifested with us in Spain and lines up with scripture perfectly.

Acts 2
When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6[/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.”

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

Rockrz said:

Totally agree with you on this rock

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Rockrz said:

The phrase, "for no man understandeth him" is pointing out what Paul meant by "speaketh unto God" because God understand what is being said as manifested by the Holy Spirit BUT that is not testifying that the Holy Spirit is using tongues to speak TO God.

Proof of that is there is no mysteries to God so why would the Holy Spirit speak mysteries to God? It is mysteries to those hearing the tongue spoken; not exactly a ringing endorsement for using tongues by yourself, now is it?

So Paul was comparing the gift of tongue by itself why believers should seek the gift of prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

So verse 2 in context of the message is that tongues is not a stand alone gift as that tongue in verse 2 is the same tongue Paul is talking about in verse 6 as needing interpretation.

So when saved believers pray for the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them bringing that tongue which never comes with interpretation, were they praying OUT of the Holy Spirit?

See how your application in this defense of this tongue in how you got it does not line up with scripture?

So when any believer pray, it is in the Holy Ghost. It does not say anything about using tongues as a means for praying IN the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

That is praying IN the Holy Ghost.

You are cherrypicking verses to overlook what Paul was giving the bottomline on what tongues are used for.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.[SUP]23 [/SUP]If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

If that image is seen when all speak in tongues with no interpretation, the same is true for the individual believer in being seen as mad when that tongue does not come with interpretation that benefit not the body of believers nor the individual believer that is speaking in tongues. It is a poor witness either way and why the Holy Spirit is not the One manifesting that tongue, especially when it was gained by apostasy when seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.

2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Go before that throne of grace and pray normally for help from Jesus Christ for discernment and deliverance from this iniquity and that tongue

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

DJ2 said:

Yet Jesus tells people to come to him with the mind of child....your about as deep as thimble in your Bible knowledge there big guy.

How do you suppose I prove to something that happened over 5 years ago there big guy. There were no video camera's no tape recorders.

The funny thing about people like you is the amount of demonic energy and time you spend trying to tell people how powerless God really is.

The simple fact is not one bit of evidence or even you witnessing it would change your mind. The only thing that will is when the Holy Spirit manifests it for you.

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

DJ2 said:

What proof would appease you?

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

Enow said:

Acts 2
When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6[/SUP]And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. [SUP]7 [/SUP]They were amazed and astonished, saying, “Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, [SUP]11 [/SUP]Cretans and Arabs—we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” [SUP]13 [/SUP]But others were mocking and saying, “They are full of sweet wine.”

miknik5 · Jun 20, 2017

Meggido said:

Who THE HOLY SPIRIT was supposed to manifest/reveal to us, HE has done

there is no more need for those who have received THE GIFT and THE PROMISE of GOD (CHRIST in us through faith in THE GOSPEL) for further evidence and validation of THAT GIFT and PROMISE

If HE chooses to give a gift of THE SPIRIT it isn't to witness to that particular gift but to continue to witness to CHRIST by that particular gift

garee · Jun 20, 2017

Its the word of God that easy to understand why would we change it and make it into words we do not understand (gibligook) .How would that bring glory to God?

I believe that God works in us in a mysterious way to both will and perform His good pleasuse. Tongues is clearly a sign for the “unbelievers”. Tongues is clearly a sign for the unbelievers. Tongues is clearly a sign for the unbelievers.
Study if you dare to find the difference between tongues and prophecy. Showing your not interested is what you have been doing as something you must keep ignoring if you are to keep coming up with empty fleshly boasts.

Here the evidence, show us how you make noises that have no meaning making the portion of scripture below to no effect.

1Co 14:22 Wherefore "tongues" are for a sign, "not" to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

The word unknown in the passage you offered was added by those who want to make sounds that no one can understand and say it’s a sign as evidence they have the Holy Spirit. Its what the apostate Jew required making the cross without effect.

The words in the verse you offered are not unknown to the speaker; scripture verifies that the words that Peter spoke being moved by the Holy Spirit are recorded. They do not read .....and then Peter spoke up and said nothing that anyone could understand.

Every Christian prays in the Holy Spirit . Our Father in heaven knows what we need before we ask Him and moves us giving his desire to make them our desire

Why would we not believe it if it’s easy to understand? The words of prophecy do not say …eke mioto be da coocoo up semnee ca tra la la do be wad um sum dum

We keep praying making our request know to Him not our non requests and hope he guesses correctly .

Right back to square one. Are tongues a sign to those who believe or to those who believe not? Can’t serve two master which way….for those who believe or the other ones who believe not.

A trumpet must have sounds easy to understand. That is unless they have them so that they might glory in their own flesh then the skies the limit… just believe yourself as your own source of faith

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men.

Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:That thine alms may be in secret: (not a secret form our own self) and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions,(speaking into the air) as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of,before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:2

And not this manner; eke mioto be da coocoo up semnee ca tra la la do be wad um sum dum shu be dubee du wap

Enow · Jun 20, 2017

Rockrz said:

Use your Bible version to look up John 16:13 to see why you are reading an errant translation of that message and compare it with the KJV below on the correct message.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

That means the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues as His personal prayer language and why His tongue is for speaking unto the people ONLY.

Now you check your Bible version of John 16:13 as you will find that truth in your Bible version that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself, but speak what He hears. This truth is in all modern Bibles and this is why all modern Bibles are wrong in Romans 8:26-27 as it goes against that plain truth of John 16:13 in all Bibles.

The KJV has it correct.

Romans 8:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

That means no sound at all. Hence not tongues.

So how can the unspeakable intercessions of the Spirit's are made known if He cannot utter the groaning of them?

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

So who is the "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit? It is the same "he" that searches our hearts.

Hebrews 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

What is false is that the correct scripture of John 16:13 in ALL Bibles testifies that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use tongues as a personal prayer language back to God.

When gained by preaching to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, the tongue is of Satan which is why it never comes with interpretation or understood by a foreigner for God's gift of tongues speaks unto the people.

2 Corinthians 11:[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Is it not hypocrisy for those who say they have the Holy Spirit but you can receive Him again with a sign of tongues?

How can you assure believers that you have not fallen away from the faith when these scriptures says that you are?

If those scripture is not applicable and yet you believe we are living in the latter days, then where is that falling away from the faith if preaching to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation by a sign of tongue is not it?

So are you saying what you complained about when tongue speakers say that if a believer does not speak in tongues, he does not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore he is not saved?

Salvation is the born again of the Spirit moment. That is how you become His having His seal. There is no other calling.

Meggido · Jun 20, 2017

miknik5 said:

This is a given and an elementary truth, why are you assuming we do not know this?

garee · Jun 20, 2017

There is one manifeatation of speaking in tongues. It’s a sign for those who believe not (no faith coming from Christ).Prophecy produces faith.

Very handy when needed for what?.. Exulting ones own flesh as evidence they produced that they have something even though they understand not their own gibberish. It s what the apostate Jews required before they would believe their own self.

1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Its an evil generation as the generation of Adam natural man that does seek after signs.... designed for the rebellious.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Which master will you serve. That for those who do believe or for those who would rather believe their own selves and call that evidence they have the Holy Spirit? ?

1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Rockrz · Jun 20, 2017

This is correct since we are to be co-laborers with God, walking in agreement with Him

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

God desires to live in us, and WALK in us which includes praying thru us...

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God desires to live and move thru us personally as well as collectively... It's not God's will nor is it His fault that some refuse to cooperate with Him.

God's Word teaches us that tongues are used for self edification AND for edifying the church...

It's too bad you have allowed satan to cheat you out of this major gift, this major offensive weapon against darkness that the Lord has made available to all people.

This is like a soldier in the army throwing rocks at the enemy... and complaining about not being able to push the enemy back... and his commanding officer calls him on the radio asking him why he doesn't use those machine guns they sent to him... and the solder replies that he doesn't believe in machine guns.

That doesn't mean they don't exist, or that they were not sent to him to use, or that they wouldn't be very effective in protecting himself as well as his fellow soldiers... he's just slow... ignorant... refusing to accept what has been made available to him.

Apparently there's nothing there for you... you'll have to just go without.

Yes, you are sorry... in the end we'll see that God's Word is right and you have been deceived by satan in to not accepting this gift God made available to everyone.

So, you do things your way... and I'll take God at His Word and I can assure you I will come out victorious in my life!... and you'll just be... sorry.

That's exactly what satan says! You must have received his satanic revelation claiming that God's Word is not true, just like ol slewfoot told Adam and Eve.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion... even erroneous ones. Enjoy!

This simply demonstrates that you are yet carnal and do not believe 1 Corinthians 14:2

If you knew your Bible better you'd know the Lord touched on this:

1 Corinthians 14:13-18
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

This is contrasting personal tongues for personal edification as well as tongues used in a public setting to edify others.

And just so you know... many times when praying in tongues in one's prayer closet... the Lord does reveal what is being prayed and it's called revelation knowledge which must always be judged by God's Word which is where many charismatics fail cause they be gettin all kinds of false doctrine.

That doesn't mean praying in tongues is wrong, it simply means they have departed from God's Word and are listening to some other spirit rather than the Holy Spirit Who ALWAYS leads us into Truth which is God's Word....

Some have gone overboard in to just that which is spiritual and they are in the ditch following a false holy spirit and a false jesus that looks real to them because they do not judge what they get in the spirit with God's Word... which in the end they will find is a "grave" mistake.

Those that believe don't need a sign cause... they believe, and this does not diminish the gift of tongues as satan would like to see since he can't understand it and he doesn't want the Holy Spirit praying the perfect will of God thru us in personal prayer or using this in a church service with interpretation to edify the saints.

You have most definitely been deceived on this subject... satan did a very good job teaching you that this is not for you, and since you believe it's not... it isn't!

"whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" yes... that's the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ praying thru the believer the perfect will of Go when we know not how to pray which is most of the time.

So, you are stuck with your mental understanding when you pray... and I am unlimited because I'm yielding to the Holy Spirit Who reveals God's will and provides revelation of His Word.

There have been many, many things I've had to deal with in life personally over the years where I did not know the answer... and the Holy Spirit provided the answer and also provided the scriptural basis for the answer. I would simply come boldly to the throne of grace to obtain help in time of need (Hebrews 4:16) and ask for God's Wisdom (James 5:1) and wait on the Lord... He always provides answers and direction that I need to deal wisely in all the affairs of life based on His Word, what He has already said cause He changes not.

Seriously, I feel sorry for you carnal Christians who refuse to access this gift and instead just go by your little pea brain's understanding cause you are very limited and it's no wonder the devil be all slapping you around all the time!

You obviously don't believe scripture which clearly shows different manifestations of this gift... but it' your life. Enjoy!

1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

wolfwint · Jun 20, 2017

wolfwint: the Holy Spirit prays only for those which have the gift of speaking in tongues.

Ricky: This is correct since we are to be co-laborers with God, walking in agreement with Him

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

God desires to live in us, and WALK in us which includes praying thru us...

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God desires to live and move thru us personally as well as collectively... It's not God's will nor is it His fault that some refuse to cooperate with Him.

wolfwint: would we have not more benefit if we would build up each other, then only ourselfes?

Ricky: God's Word teaches us that tongues are used for self edification AND for edifying the church...

It's too bad you have allowed satan to cheat you out of this major gift, this major offensive weapon against darkness that the Lord has made available to all people.
This is like a soldier in the army throwing rocks at the enemy... and complaining about not being able to push the enemy back... and his commanding officer calls him on the radio asking him why he doesn't use those machine guns they sent to him... and the solder replies that he doesn't believe in machine guns.
That doesn't mean they don't exist, or that they were not sent to him to use, or that they wouldn't be very effective in protecting himself as well as his fellow soldiers... he's just slow... ignorant... refusing to accept what has been made available to him.
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Ricky, it would be better if you dont mix the answers from different posts together, so that nobody knows whom you answer.
Well, if this is your personel belief what should I say?
But if you sell your view as truth, I must say you are wrong!

To say that the gift of speaking in tongues is for all believers is a false teaching!

To say that the Holy Spirit only prays for those which speaking in tongues is false teaching! In romans where Paul mentioned that the Holy Spirit prays for us (chapter 8) is no link, as in the whole letter, to speaking in tongues.

To say that God is only working together which those whose who speaking in tongues is false teaching!

To say not having the gift of speaking in tongues is not cooperate with God is false teaching!
Nowhere in the scripture it is said that speaking in tongues is a major gift! Read 1. Cor 14,1-5
"Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophesy. 2 For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; but in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he that prophesies speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself; but he that prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would that you all spoke with tongues, but rather that you prophesied: for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."

So if you search for an gift to please God more then search to get the gift of prophecie!

Nowhere in the scripture it is said we as christians should ues the speaking of tongues as weapon against satan and his co-workers. From where you got this teaching? Maby you should read Ephesians chapter 6.

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