Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

[shrume]

1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

God does not need your cooperation.

God most certainly does need our cooperation.
Ezek 22:
30) And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

2 Tim 2:
2) And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

Acts 8:
30) And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31) And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

2 Cor 5: (NIV)
19) that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20) We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

How much you do is determined by how much you yield to His control.

Which we choose to do, or not. IOW, we cooperate with what God wants us to do.

 

[shrume]

The Holy Spirit is easily grieved by the imposition of mans will. You can believe the word of God or you can follow the ever changing landscape of the hottest ministry.

The word of God:

1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

 

[RickyZ]

1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

God does not need your cooperation. How much you do is determined by how much you yield to His control. Anything done in the strength of the arm of flesh is not of God but man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Complete nonsense fabricated without scriptural support.

Go back to the beginning and think about it.

Why did God put Adam in charge over creation? When Adam gave that authority away, why did God not take control? Why did God insist on coming as a man to reclaim authority?

BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT WANT TO BE IN CHARGE HERE. HE INTENTION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS FOR MAN TO HAVE DOMINION. THAT'S WHY HE GAVE MAN DOMINON. THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T TAKE CONTROL WHEN MAN GAVE DOMINION AWAY. THAT'S WHY HE CAME AS A MAN. SO THAT AUTHORITY OVER CREATION WOULD BE IN THE HANDS OF MAN.

Does God require our participation to do His will? Absolutely not. He is sovereign and can accomplish whatever He wants without us.

But lucky for us, He chose to include us in bringing His will to bear in this world.

Again, Jesus said the things He did we will do. Not we will watch God do. WE will do.

His power, our hands. God loves people who love to get their hands dirty for Him.

And the failure of so many to understand this is why so many fail to operate in His gifts.

 

[shrume]

Well this is not what scripture says. It does not say all.

1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

That ^^ is an example of what NOT to do, but the fact that Paul mentions it says it's possible.

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP][a][/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

1 Cor 8-11

The context of 1 Cor 12-14 is meetings within the church (1 Cor 11:17). In the church, not everyone does everything. For one thing, there simply would not be time...

 

[RickyZ]

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues,

...

the fact that Paul mentions it says it's possible.

I've always tended to think that the fact that Paul said he wished we all would do this indicates that it is at least possible.

 

[RickyZ]

Let's try this from another angle.

If God doesn't want our participation,


WHY DO YOU PRAY?

 

[UnderGrace]

Well we may agree in other areas for sure, but we will not agree here, but I will keep trying lol...

It is never good to sew together two separate verses especially in Paul's style of writing.

More later...

1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

That ^^ is an example of what NOT to do, but the fact that Paul mentions it says it's possible.


The context of 1 Cor 12-14 is meetings within the church (1 Cor 11:17). In the church, not everyone does everything. For one thing, there simply would not be time...

 

[shrume]

Well we may agree in other areas for sure, but we will not agree here, but I will keep trying lol...

I'm more optimistic than you.

It is never good to sew together two separate verses especially in Paul's style of writing.

More later...

I'll be around...

 

[notuptome]

God most certainly does need our cooperation.
Ezek 22:
30) And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

2 Tim 2:
2) And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

Acts 8:
30) And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31) And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

2 Cor 5: (NIV)
19) that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20) We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.


Which we choose to do, or not. IOW, we cooperate with what God wants us to do.

We need Him He does not need us. His mercy and love are not His need but our blessing.

Ps 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Let's try this from another angle.

If God doesn't want our participation,


WHY DO YOU PRAY?

Because we need Him.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[shrume]

We need Him He does not need us. His mercy and love are not His need but our blessing.

Ps 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You sound so spiritual, Roger!

Did you read the verses I provided?

There are many more I could add. Here's a couple:

Rom 10:
14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (ties in with our being ambassadors for Christ).

15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

We are ALL members of the body of Christ, and every member is important!

God needs people who will choose to cooperate with Him and do what he has called them to do.

 

[RickyZ]

It's not a question of need.

It's a question of want.

Does God need our participation? Nope, not at all.

Does God want our participation? Absolutely. He repeatedly asks for it.

God knows what you are going to pray for before you say your first word. He doesn't need us to pray.

Yet He says we should because He wants us to.

Same thing with tongues.

Does God need us to speak in tongues? Nope, not at all.

Does He nonetheless want us to? Absolutely. He repeatedly says so.

 

[Kavik]

Does God need us to speak in tongues? Nope, not at all.

Does He nonetheless want us to? Absolutely. He repeatedly says so.


Where exactly does God ask people repeatedly to speak in languages?

 

[notuptome]

It's not a question of need.

It's a question of want.

Does God need our participation? Nope, not at all.

Does God want our participation? Absolutely. He repeatedly asks for it.

God knows what you are going to pray for before you say your first word. He doesn't need us to pray.

Yet He says we should because He wants us to.

Same thing with tongues.

Does God need us to speak in tongues? Nope, not at all.

Does He nonetheless want us to? Absolutely. He repeatedly says so.

Gods promise to us is that all our needs will be supplied. Not our wants but our needs. God knows we need Him and that is why we pray.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

You sound so spiritual, Roger!

Did you read the verses I provided?

There are many more I could add. Here's a couple:

Rom 10:
14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (ties in with our being ambassadors for Christ).

15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

We are ALL members of the body of Christ, and every member is important!

God needs people who will choose to cooperate with Him and do what he has called them to do.

So you are attempting to confuse the issue? If you were representing tongues as a means of reaching lost souls with whom you lacked a common language I could support your position. Tongues as a form of recreational spiritualism not so much.

God does not need us we need Him. If you don't go He will use someone else.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

Psa 42:7　 Deep waters call out to what is deeper still; at the roar of your waterfalls all your breakers and your waves swirled over me.
　
Psa 42:8　 By day the LORD will command his gracious love, and by night his song is with me—a prayer to the God of my life.　

Spirit to Spirit...is tongues...praying in the Spirit. Giving a prophetic word through tongues and interpretation. Or just prophesying in the natural language, a message from God. Or a word of wisdom or knowledge as one is witnessing...or counseling.

All needed to know the will of God personally.

 

[shrume]

So you are attempting to confuse the issue?

Nope.

If you were representing tongues as a means of reaching lost souls with whom you lacked a common language I could support your position.

I wasn't. Tongues is not a witnessing tool, it is not used to spread the gospel. If tongues is being manifested in a meeting and there are unbelievers present, it should be a sign to them (1 Cor 14:22), but that it not tongues primary purpose. It is for the individual believer's edification (1 Cor 14:4), and when spoken in public and interpreted, it edifies the church (1 Cor 14:5).

Tongues as a form of recreational spiritualism not so much.

The Bible never states tongues is a form of "recreational spiritualism". That might be what you think it is, but it is not what God thinks.

God does not need us we need Him. If you don't go He will use someone else.

God will use anyone who chooses to cooperate with Him, and do what He asks.

 

[RickyZ]

Tongues as a form of recreational spiritualism not so much.

Roger

Recreational spiritualism... (shakes head sadly)

I've never met anyone who misunderstands as much as you do, my friend.

 

[RickyZ]

. If you don't go He will use someone else.

Questioning the cause of Christ
Roger

Oh, so if you won't partner with God He will find someone else who will?

You got that right!

Imagine how many people God has had to get to fill your empty shoes...

 

[shrume]

Recreational spiritualism... (shakes head sadly)

I've never met anyone who misunderstands as much as you do, my friend.

People often tend to mock and speak negatively about things they do not understand.