Help! Ramadan is in my house.

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toinena

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I have earlier written about my part time foster daughter that stays here every third week. She is a Muslim, but hasn't been that religious. We avoid pork when she is here, otherwise it goes very smoothly. Now she is here again, and she has changed. She wants to pray and wear hijab and cover herself when she is praying. And I feel bad. I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home. But I can't stop her, can I? It is OK that she doesn't eat when it is light, and she eats nuts, pizza and olives when she breaks fast. But prayer? Can I refuse her, or just be confident that we serve a mighty God and that my prayers in the Spirit will protect my home and that any other principalities have no authority in my house?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i have no answer

but im going to pray for you

and pray for me too....

if God shows me something i promise ill share it...



but i dont want to just blurt out my opinion or my own understanding


im sorry

: (
 
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Practically speaking it is your home ,not to sound like a jerk but these considerations should have been taken into account before you accepted her into your home.

Now these are just my opinions and I'm kinda nutso,so you know how that goes.

I think that if your initial reason for taking a child of different faith into your home just to change her then that is wrong.

It's just my opinion that all of God's creations are His children even animals....you see how nuts I am?
 
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Ugly

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If you refuse her permission to do so what positive outcomes do you see?
What negative effects do you predict by allowing her to do so?

If she wants to sit in the privacy of her room, then I feel it shouldn't matter. If it's going to be inside on others in the house, such as an insistence to pray in a common area forcing people to go out of their way to avoid disturbing her I'd tell her too bad, not allowing that.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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What he said ^
 
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toinena

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Practically speaking it is your home ,not to sound like a jerk but these considerations should have been taken into account before you accepted her into your home.

Now these are just my opinions and I'm kinda nutso,so you know how that goes.

I think that if your initial reason for taking a child of different faith into your home just to change her then that is wrong.

It's just my opinion that all of God's creations are His children even animals....you see how nuts I am?
I took her in one year ago, and then it was also Ramadan. It wasn't an issue, then. I have prayed so much over this, so i am confident it is God's will that she was placed under my care and influence somehow. And she was moving very nicely in the right direction. Even coming with me to church, asking if she could come with me every time she stays here. Until that point when her own faith was questioned.

I guess she is going through a crisis, she is a teenager after all, and when things are messy, you tend to turn to religion. Well. I turn to Christ every day, but that's how it should be.

I think the what has to be done, is to say no praying in common rooms, and praying for protection for this house and myself. I can't change anyone, but I believe when you feel the Holy Spirt's presence in a room, that can change people. So I put my armor on and keep on praying.

We are all created in God's image, and God can do wonders. This weekend seems to be set for Spiritual Warfare. Now it is time to pray.
 
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toinena

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If you refuse her permission to do so what positive outcomes do you see?
What negative effects do you predict by allowing her to do so?

If she wants to sit in the privacy of her room, then I feel it shouldn't matter. If it's going to be inside on others in the house, such as an insistence to pray in a common area forcing people to go out of their way to avoid disturbing her I'd tell her too bad, not allowing that.
Agreed. It will do no good to refuse her now. I will meet her with love, and pray for protection. And living room is out of question for muslim prayers.
 

valiant

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I have earlier written about my part time foster daughter that stays here every third week. She is a Muslim, but hasn't been that religious. We avoid pork when she is here, otherwise it goes very smoothly.

It strikes me that this was your first error. You gave way on a religious principle, and this has now led on to other things.

Now she is here again, and she has changed. She wants to pray and wear hijab and cover herself when she is praying.
Does she do it privately or in public? I would suggest that she confine herself to her room when praying and dressing so, out of respect for your Christian beliefs..

And I feel bad. I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home. But I can't stop her, can I?
You can demand that she does it in private.


It is OK that she doesn't eat when it is light, and she eats nuts, pizza and olives when she breaks fast. But prayer?
She should confine herself to her own room out of respect for your Christian position,

Can I refuse her, or just be confident that we serve a mighty God and that my prayers in the Spirit will protect my home and that any other principalities have no authority in my house?
It is difficult. You need to plead the blood of Christ over your house constantly, and you have a right to see that your position is respected. At the least she must be circumspect and keep it to herself. After all she is serving antichrist. With the rest I must leave it to your judgment.
 
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My suggestion to you is
Tell her all of this
Let her know your thoughts
Just like any mom would to her daughter
And then perhaps you will have a clearer answer
 

Kavik

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“I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home.”

Not sure I understand that comment – the God of Abraham and Isaac is the same God of Ishmael. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God no matter how he is referred to in different beliefs.

Just because the methods of worship are different than yours does not make them somehow wrong (or evil, etc., etc.)

Or are you asserting that the God of the OT is a different deity than that of the NT and therefore she's not worshiping the same God you do??
 

Chris1975

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“I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home.”

Not sure I understand that comment – the God of Abraham and Isaac is the same God of Ishmael. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God no matter how he is referred to in different beliefs.

Just because the methods of worship are different than yours does not make them somehow wrong (or evil, etc., etc.)

Or are you asserting that the God of the OT is a different deity than that of the NT and therefore she's not worshiping the same God you do??
^^^ Allah is not the God of the Bible. This you have gotten very wrong.
 
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Zi

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She's not worshipping in truth and that makes all the difference
“I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home.”

Not sure I understand that comment – the God of Abraham and Isaac is the same God of Ishmael. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God no matter how he is referred to in different beliefs.

Just because the methods of worship are different than yours does not make them somehow wrong (or evil, etc., etc.)

Or are you asserting that the God of the OT is a different deity than that of the NT and therefore she's not worshiping the same God you do??
 
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wwjd_kilden

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“I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home.”

Not sure I understand that comment – the God of Abraham and Isaac is the same God of Ishmael. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God no matter how he is referred to in different beliefs.

Just because the methods of worship are different than yours does not make them somehow wrong (or evil, etc., etc.)

Or are you asserting that the God of the OT is a different deity than that of the NT and therefore she's not worshiping the same God you do??
They are indeed not the same god.
the "god" of Islam says Kill the infidels.
the God of Christianity says Forgive your enemies
 
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Are you the adult of your house...how old is she....Under your roof do you not have the authority.......??
 

trofimus

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“I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home.”

Not sure I understand that comment – the God of Abraham and Isaac is the same God of Ishmael. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God no matter how he is referred to in different beliefs.
Not true at all.

"Everyone denying the Son does not have the Father. The one confessing the Son has the Father also."
1 John 2:23
 

J7

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You obviously need to pray, but in your shoes I would read the Koran and then start discussing it with her.

This requires strength in your own belief.

Ultimately, if she ended up declaring something hostile towards you,then you would need to pray again.

I would have thought 'honour your mother' would be the governing principle here.
 
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I took her in one year ago, and then it was also Ramadan. It wasn't an issue, then. I have prayed so much over this, so i am confident it is God's will that she was placed under my care and influence somehow. And she was moving very nicely in the right direction. Even coming with me to church, asking if she could come with me every time she stays here. Until that point when her own faith was questioned.

I guess she is going through a crisis, she is a teenager after all, and when things are messy, you tend to turn to religion. Well. I turn to Christ every day, but that's how it should be.

I think the what has to be done, is to say no praying in common rooms, and praying for protection for this house and myself. I can't change anyone, but I believe when you feel the Holy Spirt's presence in a room, that can change people. So I put my armor on and keep on praying.

We are all created in God's image, and God can do wonders. This weekend seems to be set for Spiritual Warfare. Now it is time to pray.
If she's not interfering with your life in her religious practices, I see no problem. She is a teen after all, so she has to check things out.

Now, if she has to eat stuff I won't/don't/never gonna happen, since she is state-placed, I'd think the state ought to pay for her choices. Say, she has to eat dandelions and a fatted lamb. Sorry, no can do. Dandelions taste disgusting, and I can't afford a lamb, once more do I want to have to cook the animal. That kind of thing. Not, something small like chitlins. (Don't ask, if you don't know. lol) But one of the kids in our group home wanted chitlins, so we had chitlins. He was eating it alone the next time though. lol

If she has to get out a rug and pray, two places she's not doing that -- in the middle of my kitchen and in the middle of my living room. Mostly because it interferes with foot traffic, and if that's where a person wants to do that, they're doing it for show and nothing else. But in her bedroom? Not a problem. I wouldn't even mind in the hallway as long as she's not blocking off the bathroom. (I'm very practical. lol)

And then in the right time, I would talk to her about her choices. More of a hear her out, than a "my way or the highway" talk. But, there would definitely be a cross-exchange on my views vs. her views. Ultimately, her decision, but the only way to make a good decision is to understand the decision being made.

I'd never force anyone into Christianity. (Well, not exactly true. I would, if I could, it's just that I know forcing someone is going to stop them from wanting Christ.) But rest assure, what I believe about God would come out, and does come out any day of the week. Whether someone hears it or not, I can guarantee God is working it out his own way, even if I never see the end result.

Isn't that about what you signed up for when choosing to become a foster mom. How likely did you expect the chances of seeing end result were, since she's a teen and will be living on her own at 18?
 

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