Preaching To Islam

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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?

All we do as Christians is live in Christ, so we demonstrate him by our lives, and we preach him according to circumstance. So if a Muslim asks me about my religion, I explain I am a Christian. We should not be fearful about this exchange.

The root problem in Islam is that it is derived from Judaism. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet and a mighty man of God, but they do not believe specifically that he died and was resurrected. They actually believe he was taken down from the cross alive.

I'd just show a Moslem Matthew 28 if it came to discussing scripture, and explain to him he has been hoodwinked by the Jews, and leave it at that.

[FONT=&quot]11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.[/FONT]
 

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The root problem in Islam is that it is derived from Judaism. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet and a mighty man of God, but they do not believe specifically that he died and was resurrected. They actually believe he was taken down from the cross alive.
Islam is not derived from Judaism, and it does not teach that Jesus was crucified at all.
 

Magenta

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Islam is a collection of teachings and practices that were common in Arabia
during the time of Muhammad. There were several tribes of Jews preaching
monotheism in Arabia. These Jews had the Torah, along with tons of other
stories
that were recorded in the Talmud, and other sources. Many of the
stories in these
additional sources were based on Biblical characters, but
they were fictitious.
Stories about Abraham being delivered from a fire,
or a bird teaching Cain
to bury his brother, or Solomon talking to animals.

Muhammad heard the stories, and now they're in the Qur'an.

There were also a variety of tales about Jesus and Mary, that certain
heretical Christian
groups believed, stories about Jesus speaking at birth,
Jesus giving
life to clay birds; Mary giving birth under a palm tree, and so on.

No historian
on the planet believes that these stories are authentic,
but they were popular
in Arabia during the 7th century.

Muhammad heard them, and now they're in the Qur'an.

In Sura 18, Allah tells us that Alexander the Great traveled so far west
he found the place where the sun sets. This was a popular story during
Muhammad's lifetime; Muhammad heard it, now it's in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an even claims that Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim,
when we know historically that he was a complete pagan.

[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]

During Muhammad's time, the Sabians, who are mentioned several
times in the Qur'an, recited a creed, "there is no God but Allah."
Muhammad heard this creed and simply added the words, "and
Muhammad is his messenger." The Sabians also prayed at all 5 of
the times Muslims pray during their prescribed daily prayers.


Some of the Persians believed that after death, a paradise of sensual
delights
awaited them, complete with houris, the perpetual virgins
Muslims believe they will be awarded in Paradise.

It seems that Muhammad simply took a bunch of the beliefs and
practices the were popular in 7th century Arabia, gave them an
Islamic twist, and incorporated them into his new religion.


The pagans, by the way, thought this was hilarious.
They regularly made fun
of Muhammad for believing
everything he heard, so they called him "the ear."


Let's read a passage from Ib'-- about Muhammad
and one of his critics a man named Nabtal bin al-Harith

I have heard that it was of him that the Apostle said, whoever wants
to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal -- He was a sturdy man
with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.
He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him, and
then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said,
Mohammed is all ears. If anyone tells him anything, he believes it.
God sent down concerning him, in Sura 9:61 of the Qur'an, and of
them are those who annoy the profit, and say he is all ears, say,
good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and
is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the
apostle of God, for them is a painful punishment.

So the pagans could tell that Muhammad was simply
adopting stories and practices for Islamic purposes.

Not surprisingly the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, is saturated
in paganism and idolatry. D
uring the Hajj, Muslims walk circles around
the Kaaba, the cubicle shrine that they pray to. They kiss the black stone.

They run back and forth between the hills of Safa and Malwa and so on.

Where do they get these practices? Before Muhammad conquered
Mecca, the Kaaba was a center of pagan worship in Arabia. The
Kaaba was surrounded by three hundred and sixty pagan idols.


24:78 -- Narrated

The prophet entered Mecca, and at that time there were 360 idols
around the Kaaba
. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had
in his hand, and reciting, and say, truth i.e. Islamic monotheism or this
Jihad against polytheists has come, and Satan, or polytheism, has vanished.


This is when Muhammad took control of the Kaaba.

But why would he want to take control of a pagan
temple and make it the center of Islamic worship?

Let's back up a bit. When Muhammad and his followers were in
Mecca years earlier, they prayed facing Jerusalem. The pagans
prayed facing the Kaaba. Muslims prayed facing Jerusalem like
the Jews. You can line up the Kaaba and Jerusalem if you wanted
so that you were facing both, but the direction
of prayer was Jerusalem.

When Muhammad was in Mecca he really thought
that the Jews were going
to accept him as a prophet.

The Muslim Community eventually moved to Medina, and the Jews
could tell immediately that Muhammad was a false prophet, because
they knew the Torah, and Muhammad only knew some stories that
he had heard. He was all ears, remember.

But Muhammad could not even get those stories right, so the Jews
rejected him, and Allah said to Muhammad in Sura 2:144

Now shall we turn thee to a Quibla that shall please thee. Turn
then thy face in the directions of the sacred mosque. (2:144)


So Allah's goal goal in telling Muslims to face the Kaaba, was
to please Muhammad. It's amazing how much of Islam is
dedicated to pleasing the man who was receiving the revelations.

Why would facing the Kaaba please Muhammad? Two reasons:

One~ he was sending the Jews a message: this is what you get for
rejecting me. Two~ Muhammad had grown up among pagans who
prayed facing the Kaaba and all its idols. So praying to the Kaaba
was normal for them; it felt right. But how could Muhammad justify
praying towards a pagan shrine?
Well, just a few versus earlier, (2:127)
Allah declared that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael.

Now that's interesting. If it was built by Abraham and Ishmael, why
did Muslims spend more than a decade praying towards Jerusalem?
Why does it seem like Mohammed is inventing this as he goes along?

One of life's great mysteries!
(haha I know, right?)

But what evidence do we have that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and
Ishmael? Absolutely none apart from the fact that Muhammad said it.
That's good enough for Muslims, but it shouldn't be. Muhammad had
absolutely no clue what he was talking about, and I can prove it.


3366 narrated Abu Dhar
I said, oh Allah's messenger! Which mosque was first built on the
surface of the Earth? He said, at Makkah. I said, which was built
next? He replied, at Jerusalem. I said, what was the period of
construction between the two? He said, 40 years.

According to Muhammad, there was a 40-year gap between the
construction of the Kaaba and the temple in Jerusalem.

Why is this important? Well, we know when the Jerusalem Temple
was built; Solomon built it in the 10th century BC.

That's more than 1,000 years after Abraham. If Abraham built the
Kaaba, he built it more than a thousand years before Solomon built
the Jerusalem Temple. But Muhammad said they were built 40 years apart.


So we need to ask our Muslim friends, where did Abraham and Ishmael
get their time machine? Because if they didn't have a time machine,
Muhammad was wrong, and we can't trust what he says about the
construction of the Kaaba, and without Muhammad making up
stories about Abraham and Ishmael and the Kaaba, the only
evidence we have tells us that Muslims are bowing down to a
pagan temple and taking a pilgrimage to a pagan temple and
walking circles around a pagan temple.


By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba?
The pagans walked circles around the Kaaba, too.

Why did they do that? This is about half the video transcribed.
 
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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?

All we do as Christians is live in Christ, so we demonstrate him by our lives, and we preach him according to circumstance. So if a Muslim asks me about my religion, I explain I am a Christian. We should not be fearful about this exchange.

The root problem in Islam is that it is derived from Judaism. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet and a mighty man of God, but they do not believe specifically that he died and was resurrected. They actually believe he was taken down from the cross alive.

I'd just show a Moslem Matthew 28 if it came to discussing scripture, and explain to him he has been hoodwinked by the Jews, and leave it at that.

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
the stress part lately is because the majority of attacks of terrorism just happen to be using Islam as a shield to be evil,so people especially christians get nerve wracked or upset with muslims near them,it does stand to reason in a way,as to why some christians don't explain or talk to muslims about God,well many as I have come to understand,stereo type all the muslims here as the same religiously and mentally as the terrorists "using" the islam faith as a shield but certainly do not share the same faith,and so think that explaining about God to them would be a waste,and yes I wholely agree that too many religious people want to be right,instead of doing right for God! hope this shed some light on an answer to your question!
 

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Pagan practices proliferate in Islam.

Picking up again where we left off, @ 7:48 :)


By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba? The
pagans walked circles around the Kaaba too. Why did they do that?

The Muslim scholar and Qur'an translator Yusaf Ali, in his
commentary on the Qur'an, has an appendix on ancient forms
of pagan worship. He writes, It will be noticed that the Sun and
the Moon and the five planets got identified each with a living
deity, god or goddess, with characteristic qualities of its own.

The ancients knew about the stars and constellations, but they also
knew about seven heavenly objects that seemed to have their own motions:
the sun, the moon, Mercury Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. They
didn't have telescopes yet so they didn't know about the other planets.

According to the pagans, each of these seven heavenly objects was
orbiting the earth, and each was associated with a particular pagan deity.

Why did the pagans of Mecca circle the Kaaba seven times? To honor
and worship the seven planetary deities that they believed were circling
the Earth. This is as pagan as you can possibly get, and now this thoroughly
pagan practice is one of the five pillars of Islam. But let me guess: if it
looks like paganism, and walks like paganism, and talks like paganism,
it must be pure monotheism in disguise, right?

When they visit the Kaaba, Muslims do their best to kiss the black stone.
That's funny! The pagans of Arabia used to worship stones, too.

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4376 Narrated Abu Raja al Utaridi: we used to worship stones, and
when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw
the first stone and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone, then
we would collect some earth (meaning soil), and then bring a sheep,
and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When
the month of Rajab came, we used to stop the military actions, calling
this month the iron remover, because we used to remove and throw away
the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab.

What did the pagans worship? A stone. A
nd they would trade that
stone for a better stone to worship. When does that process stop?

When you get to the best stone, the black stone, at the Kaaba.
That's what the pagans did. What do Muslims do when they get
to the Kaaba? They kiss the black stone. It's as if Muslims are saying,
we want to be as idolatrous as possible, but we're still not idolators.


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Interestingly, even Muhammad's companions understood that kissing
the black stone was idolatry, but they kept doing it anyway, because
Muhammad had done it.
1597 Narrated Naris bin Abis we read:

Ramar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said, no doubt
I know you are a stone, and can neither harm any one nor benefit
anyone. Had I not seen Allah's messenger kissing you,
I would not have kissed you.

This is Umar, the second rightly guided Caliph, saying that he
knows he shouldn't be kissing a pagan idol like the black stone,
but he does it anyway, because Muhammad did it.

But there is more idolatry during the Hajj. When the pagans took
the pilgrimage to Mecca, they would run back and forth between
the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. They ran back and forth between
them to honor the pagan idols. Yusaf Ali comments on Sura 2:158
of the Qur'an: The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the
mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are the two
little hills of Safa and Marwah now absorbed in the city of Makkah
(Mecca) and close to the well of Zamzam. Here, according to tradition,
the lady Hagar, mother of the infant Ishmael, prayed for water in the
parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found
her prayer answered, and saw the Zamzam spring. Unfortunately the
pagan Arabs had placed a male and a female idol here, and their gross
and superstitious rites caused offense to the early Muslims.

Now, how do we know that Hagar and Ishmael were ever at these hills?
Because Muhammad said it, right? And Muhammad's the guy who
thought that Abraham and Solomon lived forty years apart, and that
Alexander the Great was a Muslim: least reliable source of historical
information ever. But what do we actually know here?

We know that pagans used to run back and forth as part of
their idol worship, and the early Muslims knew this as well.

3847 narrated by Ibn Abas: To run along the valley between the two
green pillars of As-Safa and Malwara (mountains), was not Sunna, but
the people in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance used to run along it and
used to say, "We do not cross this rain stream except running in great haste."


Now, this is devastating to Islam, because Ibn Abas says this practice
was just a pagan practice. It wasn't part of the sunna of Muhammad.

Notice the commentary at the bottom: This statement of Ibn Abas
is wrong, as most of the religious scholars consider it As-Sunna
of the prophet. Most of the religious scholars, in order to rescue
Islam, have to throw Ibn Abas under the bus. This is getting ridiculous!


(2574) Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa
and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them
a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we
gave up going around them. Then allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa
(i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the symbols of allah. So it is not
harmful (sin) of those who perform the Hajj (pilgrimage) of the House
(Kaaba) at Mecca - or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between
them." (2.158) (Book
#60, Hadith #23) [video said 4496]

[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]

Hear again the early Muslims understood that it was a pagan practice.
They sad that they stopped doing it when they became Muslims, but
Muhammad
liked it, so it ended up in the Qur'an.

How much paganism can you fit
into one religion?

Quite a bit, it seems. And two things are amazing here:


First, it's amazing that Muslims who are swimming in a sea of pagan
practices are deluded enough to think that they're the true champions
of monotheism. They're doing everything the pagans did.
They are just rename it, monotheism.

Second, the pagans of Arabia were local groups. They weren't going to spread
their pagan practices around the world, but Islam has taken the same idolatrous
pagan nonsense practiced by the Meccans and spread it around the world.

This means that Islam is the greatest source of idolatry and paganism
in history. Now to you Muslims who insist on taking the pilgrimage
to Mecca, in spite of its pagan roots, I make a simple request: watch the
video where I talk about the Kaaba, and how you can convert your false
pagan worship into something that actually involves God. I'm not sure
you'll like it, but it will definitely be an improvement over spending your
lives kissing a pagan rock, and running around a pagan cube, and
celebrating the seven false planetary deities, and having no idea that
you've been duped. The chief export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, it's
paganism, and terrorism... off topic but I couldn't resist. :)

David gets a lot of comments from people who practice
this peaceful pagan religion, many of them death threats.
 

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Surah 4 verse 157 gives the Islamic View of Jesus' crucifixion.

Three Qur'an Verses Every Christian Should Know

Islam is often presented as a very simple religion: it is just submission to Allah. But if you dig a little deeper you find out in the Qur'an, Sura 4 verse 65, that submission to Allah requires complete obedience to all of Muhammad's decisions, and that is where Islam gets a lot more complicated, because Mohammed's decisions are spread across thousands of stories in the Hadiths.

Most Christians don't have the time, or the sources, or the desire, to go through all this material, and figure out what Islam teaches. No problem. That's what we're here for, and we are happy to serve that role in the body of Christ.

But we should all keep in mind that there are more than one 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and that Islam places a strong emphasis on preaching, and winning converts. Chances are, we are we are not going to be there when your Muslim friends preach Islam to you, or when your children go off to college, and hear about how wonderful Islam is, not only from their Muslim friends, but also from their professors.

It seems then that Christians in general need to know something about Islam. Rather than throw everything at you at once, I'm going to give you three simple verses. Now I would love to see Christians around the world learn maybe a dozen or so Qur'an verses that I think are very important. But if I were to narrow down the list to just three verses, these would be the three.

First: Surah 4 verse 157 (by the way those are basically chapters) Chapter 4 verse 157. This verse gives you the Islamic View of Jesus' crucifixion. Let's read it.


They said in boast (they here are the Jews) we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of assurity they killed him not.

Notice that Jesus was not killed, he wasn't even crucified. Islam denies that the crucifixion of Jesus ever took place. But if Jesus was never crucified, why do people believe that He died on the cross?

The Islamic view is that Allah miraculously disguised someone
to make him look like Jesus, and it was this other person who was crucified, not Jesus. The reason you believe that Jesus died, according to Islam, is that Allah did an excellent job tricking everyone.

It is interesting to ponder the theological depths false prophets
will go to to in order to deny what Jesus did for us.


Second: Sura 5 verse 47


Muslims often claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but there are plenty of verses in the Qur'an which show that if the Bible has been corrupted, Allah certainly doesn't know anything about it.

5:47 is one of these verses. In 5:47
Allah commands Christians to judge by the gospel. He says, let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah hath revealed, they are no better than those who rebel.

Allah commands us to judge by the gospel, and he says that we are rebels if we don't. Clearly we can only judge by the gospel if we actually have the gospel.

So the Qur'an assumes that we have reliable Scriptures. Of course if we obey Allah and we judge by the gospel, we have to judge that Islam is false, because Islam contradicts the gospel. The gospel says that Jesus died on the cross; the Qur'an Sura 4 verse 157 says that he didn't. The Qur'an tells us to judge by the gospel. Therefore, if we listen to the Qur'an, we have to reject the Qur'an.

Third: Sura 9 verse 29. If you have never understood why Christians and other religious minorities are so horribly mistreated in places like Iraq, and Egypt, and Pakistan, the reason for the abuse is found in the Qur'an. Allah commands Muslims, once they are in the majority, to violently subjugate Christians and Jews.

Allah says in 9:29 F
ight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day (notice it says, fight those who do not believe, not fight in self-defense. This is a command to fight people on their beliefs) nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth from among the people of the book (people of the book are Jews and Christians) until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Muslims are commanded to fight us until we pay tribute to them and feel ourselves subdued. We have to acknowledge our inferiority, and accept our status as second-class citizens who don't have the same rights as Muslims. This command has probably led to more oppression than any other command in history.

[video=youtube;n5Nu6EabQD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Nu6EabQD8[/video]

If you watch my videos you might already be familiar with these three verses. I would encourage you to pass this video onto your friends. Islam's most powerful asset in the West, with the possible exception of political correctness is ignorance. If people don't know anything about Islam, then Muslim preachers, along with groups like CAIR and ISNA, can pretty much say whatever they want to say about Islam, and nobody will know any better. But if certain facts about Islam become common knowledge, our discussions with our Muslim friends will be much more productive.
 

J7

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Too much regurgitated blah Magenta. Do you have an individual thought in your purple head?
 

J7

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Islam is not derived from Judaism, and it does not teach that Jesus was crucified at all.

Look, you cannot just post like this. Make a reasoned argument, or stick to the hairspray threads
 

J7

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Islam is heavily Judaistic. Mohammed actually wanted to convert to Jewry I believe, but was rebuffed.

He then created a religion which is completely rooted in the Old Testament.

(The Arabs anyway were already under the abrahamic Covenant.)

The most offensive thing about Islam to a Christian is that they deny Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, and hence his Godhead. This of course is the lie first perpetrated by the Jews.

Loads of stupid girly purple text on a serious issue actually is a bit galling. These are very serious issues for the world.
 

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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?

All we do as Christians is live in Christ, so we demonstrate him by our lives, and we preach him according to circumstance. So if a Muslim asks me about my religion, I explain I am a Christian. We should not be fearful about this exchange.

The root problem in Islam is that it is derived from Judaism. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet and a mighty man of God, but they do not believe specifically that he died and was resurrected. They actually believe he was taken down from the cross alive.

I'd just show a Moslem Matthew 28 if it came to discussing scripture, and explain to him he has been hoodwinked by the Jews, and leave it at that.

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
Given what you have written I would not suggest going anywhere near Moslems with the Gospel - they will eat you without even having to spit the bones out!

To witness effectively to Moslems one needs to know a LOT about their theology and worldview.
That means amongst other things knowing the Q'uran better than they do!
Unless you KNOW exactly how they view Christianity (and Judaism for that matter) AND unless you KNOW Christian doctrine very well expect to get nowhere.

If you try and tell a Moslem that Islam is derived from Judaism, then, if he is not totally offended at you, he will just laugh at the joke of the day!
 

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Given what you have written I would not suggest going anywhere near Moslems with the Gospel - they will eat you without even having to spit the bones out!

To witness effectively to Moslems one needs to know a LOT about their theology and worldview.
That means amongst other things knowing the Q'uran better than they do!
Unless you KNOW exactly how they view Christianity (and Judaism for that matter) AND unless you KNOW Christian doctrine very well expect to get nowhere.

If you try and tell a Moslem that Islam is derived from Judaism, then, if he is not totally offended at you, he will just laugh at the joke of the day!
I have never had the slightest problem talking to Moslems - sorry you are making things up
 

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I have never had the slightest problem talking to Moslems - sorry you are making things up
If you want to have any affect on their worldview what I have said is crucial.

I too have no problem talking to Moslems - witnessing effectively to them is another story altogether.
 
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Too much regurgitated blah Magenta. Do you have an individual thought in your purple head?
Look, you cannot just post like this. Make a reasoned argument, or stick to the hairspray threads
Translation: I have no valid response so I'll resort to childish insults to mask my ineptitude.
 

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If you want to have any affect on their worldview what I have said is crucial.

I too have no problem talking to Moslems - witnessing effectively to them is another story altogether.
Talking, talking about Christ - I didn't mean to blur the lines. It almost automatically comes into the conversation.

All you can do when you witness is state who Christ is 1) by your person 2) in words

As Islam sees Christ in a certain way, then personally I would just explain to a Moslem who Christ really is. I am not sure a big theological debate is necessary at all.
 

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Translation: I have no valid response so I'll resort to childish insults to mask my ineptitude.
Actually I didn't read any of it because i find it nasty to look at
 

graceNpeace

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Talking, talking about Christ - I didn't mean to blur the lines. It almost automatically comes into the conversation.

All you can do when you witness is state who Christ is 1) by your person 2) in words

As Islam sees Christ in a certain way, then personally I would just explain to a Moslem who Christ really is. I am not sure a big theological debate is necessary at all.
If you what cross-cultural missions was about then you would realise that it is important to know how the other person is interpreting what you are saying.
My guess is that you have no idea how a Moslem is interpreting what you are telling them and so it is entirely possible that what you are telling them is actually counter-productive.
One does really need to know the other's worldview and culture very well to even know how to interpret the questions one may be asked never mind giving an appropriate answer.

These words come to you from someone who has experience in cross-cultural missions.